Boges Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-man-builds-park-stairs-for-550-irking-city-after-65-000-estimate-1.3510237 Quote A Toronto man who spent $550 building a set of stairs in his community park says he has no regrets, despite the city’s insistence that he should have waited for a $65,000 city project to handle the problem. The city is now threatening to tear down the stairs because they were not built to regulation standards. Retired mechanic Adi Astl says he took it upon himself to build the stairs after several neighbours fell down the steep path to a community garden in Tom Riley Park, in Etobicoke, Ont. Astl says his neighbours chipped in on the project, which only ended up costing $550 – a far cry from the $65,000-$150,000 price tag the city had estimated for the job. I'm sure it will eventually be dismantled at a cost to the taxpayer because . . . safety. Obviously $550 is making a point on the cheap. But couldn't it have been done for $10gs? Governments do not spend the money they steal from us responsibly. The reason? Because they can steal it from us and have no accountability on how they spend it until they face election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boges said: But couldn't it have been done for $10gs? Yes, but that would have been underkill. You are paying for the lobbyists who contribute to the councillors. Mandate web-only and free social media advertising, and eliminate campaign deductions and you will reduce the stupidity IMO. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes, but that would have been underkill. You are paying for the lobbyists who contribute to the councillors. Mandate web-only and free social media advertising, and eliminate campaign deductions and you will reduce the stupidity IMO. Which is why governments suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Boges said: Which is why governments suck. Well, yes. It's unnecessary suckitude though. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I do think social media has helped because citizens can spot when civil servants are wasting money and film them. But then they're usually unionized so discipline is difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Boges said: I do think social media has helped because citizens can spot when civil servants are wasting money and film them. But then they're usually unionized so discipline is difficult. The problem isn't a few civil servants wasting paper clips. Your $65K staircase comes from a complex array of problems. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I doubt this is a union issue. If it is built on city property, the city will be liable for any injuries that result from its use. Ass covering isn't cheap you know. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Wilber said: I doubt this is a union issue. If it is built on city property, the city will be liable for any injuries that result from its use. Ass covering isn't cheap you know. Naww didn't you know building insurable stairs from your armchair is easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 17 hours ago, Wilber said: I doubt this is a union issue. If it is built on city property, the city will be liable for any injuries that result from its use. Ass covering isn't cheap you know. I wonder how much it cost to cover their ass for the dirt path and piece of rope that were there before he built the stairs? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 22 hours ago, Boges said: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-man-builds-park-stairs-for-550-irking-city-after-65-000-estimate-1.3510237 I'm sure it will eventually be dismantled at a cost to the taxpayer because . . . safety. Obviously $550 is making a point on the cheap. But couldn't it have been done for $10gs? Governments do not spend the money they steal from us responsibly. The reason? Because they can steal it from us and have no accountability on how they spend it until they face election. Hundreds of billions of taxpayer's tax dollars have been stolen from we the people for decades now and this robbery is allowed to continue on to this day without a whimper from we the people. The main reason why they know they can steal this money is plain and simple? The people don't give a chit. Until that changes the robberies will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Seems like a non-story... council has asked to get a more "realistic" cost estimate... the city looked at the stairs, and it seems the stairs aren't safe enough. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 7/20/2017 at 1:54 PM, The_Squid said: Seems like a non-story... council has asked to get a more "realistic" cost estimate... the city looked at the stairs, and it seems the stairs aren't safe enough. It looks more like some carpenters union started to complain about the guy not having a ticket to be able to build those stairs to the city's regulation standards. Some union probably wanted that contract so they could bilk the taxpayer's of their tax dollars and make lots of money from getting the contract. The stairs look pretty safe to me. This just shows that government is the problem, and never the solution. Politicians don't give a dam about the taxpayer's tax dollars. They just enjoy blowing those tax dollars. Politicians are not worth the salaries and perks that they get. Why is it that we never see politicians get laid off? Matter of fact we seem to always get more of them. Shocking indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 We have the opportunity to lay off politicians every election day. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 The stairs were ripped out because they were dangerous. This wasn't an actual path from the parking lot, it was a short cut. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 The stairs were fine. But they were built to make a point. The mayor said they can't surpass 10gs for the replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 On 2017-07-19 at 1:12 PM, Boges said: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-man-builds-park-stairs-for-550-irking-city-after-65-000-estimate-1.3510237 I'm sure it will eventually be dismantled at a cost to the taxpayer because . . . safety. Obviously $550 is making a point on the cheap. But couldn't it have been done for $10gs? Governments do not spend the money they steal from us responsibly. The reason? Because they can steal it from us and have no accountability on how they spend it until they face election. When the taxpayer's start to give a chit about how their tax dollars are being blown than things will change, and it will make these thieves in the government start to pay more attention to what they are doing with our tax dollars. Politicians know that they can get away with whatever they do because they know that the electorate will only shrug their shoulders, and also know that nothing will happen to them, and their misuse of our tax dollars. It's long overdue for the taxpayer's to speak up. I have tried but have failed here. No one seems to care. And voting in another party will change nothing at all. Sad indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 hours ago, taxme said: When the taxpayer's start to give a chit about how their tax dollars are being blown than things will change, and it will make these thieves in the government start to pay more attention to what they are doing with our tax dollars. Politicians know that they can get away with whatever they do because they know that the electorate will only shrug their shoulders, and also know that nothing will happen to them, and their misuse of our tax dollars. It's long overdue for the taxpayer's to speak up. I have tried but have failed here. No one seems to care. And voting in another party will change nothing at all. Sad indeed. People are complacent and happier being in a mildly corrupt society than being all puritan about things and having to fight for some fleeting form of justice, equality and fairness. I still got beer in the fridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 11 hours ago, OftenWrong said: People are complacent and happier being in a mildly corrupt society than being all puritan about things and having to fight for some fleeting form of justice, equality and fairness. I still got beer in the fridge. But yet those same complacent people still whine like a bunch of babies over something that displeases them. Why do they even bother at all if they don't care about anything anyway? It is quite obvious that most Canadians prefer to complain about something rather than do anything about it. You are lucky. I have no beer in my fridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Why don't you run? "most Canadians prefer to complain about something rather than do anything about it." I can't drink beer. Quote A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: "most Canadians people everywhere prefer to complain about something rather than do anything about it." Fixed it for you. Edited October 2, 2017 by Bonam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 7/19/2017 at 1:24 PM, Boges said: I do think social media has helped because citizens can spot when civil servants are wasting money and film them. But then they're usually unionized so discipline is difficult. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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