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On 6/17/2017 at 2:49 PM, Argus said:

If you've participated in highrise reno projects answer a question, would you? I understand these types of 'cladding' are against code in the US. Are they illegal here?

another poster already answered, but my answer would be 'not permitted here'.  They especially would not be allowed in a recent retrofit.  Of course, flammable cladding is common here in lowrises.

 

What I wonder at is why the retrofit did not upgrade alarm systems, or engineer refuge areas, which are usually in stairwells.  It is difficult and risky to try to evacuate a tall building in the middle or crisis.  Reconnizing this, tall buildings have stairwells and /or landings (with no flammable material in them) as areas where residents can stay or move slowly out with relative safety.  A key component is that the stairwells are pressurized and have  rated fire doors at every floor and exit.  By doing this, smoke cannot enter the strairwell and they are safe for quite some time.  It allows firemen time to get the gimpy and elderly out, and fit people can evacuate in an orderly manner.  This is often not that complex to retrofit, and is a big lifesaver.  Dunno why this building apparently had none of it.

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On 6/17/2017 at 6:32 PM, kactus said:

Exactly so! Even the Queen made the effort and visited those people, the opposition party leader did but no sense of dignity and compassion from May.

No one was likely to throw things at the Queen or Corbyn.

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11 hours ago, Argus said:

No one was likely to throw things at the Queen or Corbyn.

The point was the Queen and the opposition leader made the effort to visit the people at the site initially. May didn't...

It shows lack of leadership and compassion from May towards ordinary people.

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12 hours ago, overthere said:

another poster already answered, but my answer would be 'not permitted here'.  They especially would not be allowed in a recent retrofit.  Of course, flammable cladding is common here in lowrises.

 

What I wonder at is why the retrofit did not upgrade alarm systems, or engineer refuge areas, which are usually in stairwells.  It is difficult and risky to try to evacuate a tall building in the middle or crisis.  Reconnizing this, tall buildings have stairwells and /or landings (with no flammable material in them) as areas where residents can stay or move slowly out with relative safety.  A key component is that the stairwells are pressurized and have  rated fire doors at every floor and exit.  By doing this, smoke cannot enter the strairwell and they are safe for quite some time.  It allows firemen time to get the gimpy and elderly out, and fit people can evacuate in an orderly manner.  This is often not that complex to retrofit, and is a big lifesaver.  Dunno why this building apparently had none of it.

This building went through renovation last year. The materials that were used are no longer used in the US or Canada.

Cheap materials were used to cut corners and save money at the expense of safety measures inevitably costing lives ....

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