Terror attack in Iran

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, eyeball said:

Thank God...I thought I might be in a dictatorship for a minute there 

 

Dictatorship was on Mossadeq's mind...as his Tudeh allies (that he needed to win his 'democratic election') had a primary goal of Iran becoming part of the USSR. They had already tried in 1946. During the Coup, the Tudeh Party turned on their 'leader' and tried to seize power on their own. The Iranian Army snuffed-out their attempts...

In 1953...everybody was on one side or the other...one just didn't start sucking-up to the Soviets and "appropriating" British oil rigs w/o consequences. Enter the CIA who had taken a reading on the situation and found a pro-West coup already in the works. Their participation amounted to bribing the remaining pro-Mossadeq officers (easily) and flying The Shah around in a big-azz cargo plane to avoid summary arrest by Mossadeq's Tudeh thugs.

If you look any any pictures or films of the coup...not a single James Bond is to be found. All Iranians/Persians. But, you can hope the Kermit Brigade are all hiding spy-like behind curtains...controlling the Iranian Army with brain lasers or something similar. 

 

 

[kactus]

3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Dictatorship was on Mossadeq's mind...as his Tudeh allies (that he needed to win his 'democratic election') had a primary goal of Iran becoming part of the USSR. They had already tried in 1946. During the Coup, the Tudeh Party turned on their 'leader' and tried to seize power on their own. The Iranian Army snuffed-out their attempts...

In 1953...everybody was on one side or the other...one just didn't start sucking-up to the Soviets and "appropriating" British oil rigs w/o consequences. Enter the CIA who had taken a reading on the situation and found a pro-West coup already in the works. Their participation amounted to bribing the remaining pro-Mossadeq officers (easily) and flying The Shah around in a big-azz cargo plane to avoid summary arrest by Mossadeq's Tudeh thugs.

If you look any any pictures or films of the coup...not a single James Bond is to be found. All Iranians/Persians. But, you can hope the Kermit Brigade are all hiding spy-like behind curtains...controlling the Iranian Army with brain lasers or something similar. 

 

 

Abosolute nonsense.....Dr Mossadegh was democratically elected by the parliament. The coup was orchastrated against him by Brits pissed off by hiis mandate to nationalise and not being able to get their greedy hands on oil on their own terms! This is well documented and now released as declassified documents on public domain. The internal issues and conflicts is something the brits and americans expoited to fabricate the fear of spread of communism and reinstate Shah to protect their oil interest...Democracy was overthrown for the sake of money....

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Only 38 % declare themselves to be Sunni....That and the fact Bosnia was not about religion, it was about 4 factions grabbing as much land as possible before peace talks took place, they did that through ethic cleansing, serbs cleared out everyone not of serb decent, same as croats, and muslims....they all did it, some more than others, but they all did....SO why did Hezbollah get involved in bosnia, out of all the conflicts ongoing with over 1/2 of them involving muslim, why does a terrorist organization get involved....well there was a lot of money to be made selling wpns, their was the training value for their members, there was a chance to kill western troops, but just helping other muslims sorry i don't buy it.....

But how do you explain the other nations Hezbollah is involved with.....why help other nations or groups when there is so much to be done in Lebanon..... 

That's a very Serbian view of things. You must be a lot more annoyed with the Americans because they got involved as well. Just because Hezbollah got involved doesn't automatically mean they were wrong to do so. You've picked a poor example of Hezbollah bad behaviour here. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[DogOnPorch]

53 minutes ago, kactus said:

Abosolute nonsense.....Dr Mossadegh was democratically elected by the parliament. The coup was orchastrated against him by Brits pissed off by hiis mandate to nationalise and not being able to get their greedy hands on oil on their own terms! This is well documented and now released as declassified documents on public domain. The internal issues and conflicts is something the brits and americans expoited to fabricate the fear of spread of communism and reinstate Shah to protect their oil interest...Democracy was overthrown for the sake of money....

 

Another Iran expert who is unaware of the Tudeh Party of Iran.

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...although diverse elements participated in the July uprising, the impartial observer must confess that the Tudeh played an important part - perhaps even the most important part. ... If in the rallies before March 1952 one-third of the demonstrators had been Tudeh and two-thirds had been National Front, after March 1952, the proportions were reversed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudeh_Party_of_Iran

Edited June 17, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[SpankyMcFarland]

An anti-American regime tends to increase the number of pro-American citizens. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/opinion/those-friendly-iranians.html?_r=1

[GostHacked]

So, can terror attacks really happen in Iran since they are the bad guys? 

[hot enough]

54 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

An anti-American regime tends to increase the number of pro-American citizens. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/opinion/those-friendly-iranians.html?_r=1

"... and showing the Statue of Liberty as a skull".

That is a VERY accurate portrayal of the Statue of "Liberty" just for the numbers murdered and tortured in Iran itself. The New York Times is Propaganda Central!

What part of the US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government in 1954 and installed one of their trademark brutal, vicious right wing dictators, doesn't Kristof get, Spanky? 

NOTE the bastion of freedom and democracy, the USA, ALWAYS installs brutal, vicious right wing, aka conservative, dictators,

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Iran 1953

Making it safe for the King of Kings

excerpted from the book

Killing Hope

by William Blum

 

"So this is how we get rid of that madman Mossadegh," announced John Foster Dulles to a group of top Washington policy makers one day in June 1953. The Secretary of State held in his hand a plan of operation to overthrow the prime minister of Iran prepared by Kermit (Kim) Roosevelt of the CIA. There was scarcely any discussion amongst the high powered men in the room, no probing questions, no legal or ethical issues raised.

"This was a grave decision to have made," Roosevelt later wrote. "It involved tremendous risk. Surely it deserved thorough examination, the closest consideration, somewhere at the very highest level. It had not received such thought at this meeting. In fact, I was morally certain that almost half of those present, if they had felt free or had the courage to speak, would have opposed the undertaking."

Roosevelt, the grandson of Theodore and distant cousin of Franklin, was expressing surprise more than disappointment at glimpsing American foreign-policy-making undressed.

The original initiative to oust Mossadegh had come from the British, for the elderly Iranian leader had spearheaded the parliamentary movement to nationalize the British owned Anglo-lranian Oil Company (AIOC), the sole oil company operating in Iran. In March 1951, the bill for nationalization was passed, and at the end of April Mossadegh was elected prime minister by a large majority of Parliament. On 1 May, nationalization went into effect. The Iranian people, Mossadegh declared, "were opening a hidden treasure upon which lies a dragon".

As the prime minister had anticipated, the British did not take the nationalization gracefully, though it was supported unanimously by the Iranian parliament and by the overwhelming majority of the Iranian people for reasons of both economic justice and national pride. The Mossadegh government tried to do all the right things to placate the British: It offered to set aside 25 percent of the net profits of the oil operation as compensation; it guaranteed the safety and the jobs of the British employees; it was willing to sell its oil without disturbance to the tidy control system so dear to the hearts of the international oil giants. But the British would have none of it. What they wanted was their oil company back. And they wanted Mossadegh's head. A servant does not affront his lord with impunity.

A military show of force by the British navy was followed by a ruthless international economic blockade and boycott, and a freezing of Iranian assets which brought Iran's oil exports and foreign trade to a virtual standstill, plunged the already impoverished country into near destitution, and made payment of any compensation impossible. Nonetheless, and long after they had moved to oust Mossadegh, the British demanded compensation not only for the physical assets of the AIOC, but for the value of their enterprise in developing the oil fields; a request impossible to meet, and, in the eyes of Iranian nationalists, something which decades of huge British profits had paid for many times over.

The British attempt at economic strangulation of Iran could not have gotten off the ground without the active co-operation and support of the Truman and Eisenhower administrations and American oil companies. At the same time, the Truman administration argued with the British that Mossadegh's collapse could open the door to the proverbial communist takeover. When the British were later expelled from Iran, however, they had no alternative but to turn to the United States for assistance in toppling Mossadegh. In November 1952, the Churchill government approached Roosevelt, the de facto head of the CIA's Middle East division, who told the British that he felt that there was "no chance to win approval from the outgoing administration of Truman and Acheson. The new Republicans, however, might be quite different."

John Foster Dulles was certainly different. The apocalyptic anti-communist saw in Mossadegh the epitome of all that he detested in the Third World: unequivocal neutralism in the cold war, tolerance of Communists, and disrespect for free enterprise, as demonstrated by the oil nationalization. (Ironically, in recent years Great Britain had nationalized several of its own basic industries, and the government was the majority owner of the AIOC.) To the likes of John Foster Dulles, the eccentric Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was indeed a madman. And when the Secretary of State considered further that Iran was a nation exceedingly rich in the liquid gold, and that it shared a border with the Soviet Union more than 1,000 miles long, he was not unduly plagued by indecision as to whether the Iranian prime minister should finally retire from public life.

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The young Shah of Iran had been relegated to little more than a passive role by- Mossadegh and the Iranian political process. His power had been whittled away to the point where he was "incapable of independent action", noted the State Department intelligence report. Mossadegh was pressing for control of the armed forces and more say over expenditures of the royal court, and the inexperienced and indecisive Shah-the "King of Kings"-was reluctant to openly oppose the prime minister because of the latter's popularity.

*****

Earlier in the Year, the New York Times had noted that "prevailing opinion among detached observers in Teheran" was that "Mossadegh is the most popular politician in the country". During a period of more than 40 years in public life, Mossadegh had "acquired a reputation as an honest patriot".

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Iran_KH.html

 

Edited June 18, 2017 by hot enough

[kactus]

55 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

An anti-American regime tends to increase the number of pro-American citizens. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/opinion/those-friendly-iranians.html?_r=1

Spankey...The. Article is old and since the Iranians have held to their side of the bargain by halting the nuclear program...

Isn't it interesting though that you have a perspective from an american who has actually visited the country than our so called arm chair warriors claim to be experts with no clue about the country?

[DogOnPorch]

Ah....William Blum...al-Qaeda's/Osama bin Laden's favorite Western propagandist. 

 

27 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

So, can terror attacks really happen in Iran since they are the bad guys? 

 

Iran was the West's trusted ally...Israel's good buddy in the Middle East. A picture of modernity.

Did you know that Iranian Jews make-up perhaps the largest population group in Israel? Well...now. There are more Iranian Jews in Israel than in Iran.

5 minutes ago, kactus said:

Spankey...The. Article is old and since the Iranians have held to their side of the bargain by halting the nuclear program...

Isn't it interesting though that you have a perspective from an american who has actually visited the country than our so called arm chair warriors claim to be experts with no clue about the country?

 

Stopped their nuclear program? Good one.

Oh dear...a battle of experts. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[kactus]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Ah....William Blum...al-Qaeda's/Osama bin Laden's favorite Western propagandist. 

 

 

Iran was the West's trusted ally...Israel's good buddy in the Middle East. A picture of modernity.

Did you know that Iranian Jews make-up perhaps the largest population group in Israel? Well...now. There are more Iranian Jews in Israel than in Iran.

 

Stopped their nuclear program? Good one.

Oh dear...a battle of experts. 

Shushhhhh!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32114862

 

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, kactus said:

Shushhhhh!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32114862

 

 

Shush what? 

[GostHacked]

21 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Ah....William Blum...al-Qaeda's/Osama bin Laden's favorite Western propagandist. 

 

 

Iran was the West's trusted ally...Israel's good buddy in the Middle East. A picture of modernity.

Did you know that Iranian Jews make-up perhaps the largest population group in Israel? Well...now. There are more Iranian Jews in Israel than in Iran.

 

Stopped their nuclear program? Good one.

Oh dear...a battle of experts. 

So, was that a yes or a no?

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

So, was that a yes or a no?

 

Islam = Bad

Iran is a country...now run by Islam as opposed to sanity.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The mullahs are in a grim endgame. They are supported by the old and poorly educated. One day they may face not violent overthrow but something even worse - laughter and ridicule. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 hours ago, kactus said:

Abosolute nonsense.....Dr Mossadegh was democratically elected by the parliament. The coup was orchastrated against him by Brits pissed off by hiis mandate to nationalise and not being able to get their greedy hands on oil on their own terms! This is well documented and now released as declassified documents on public domain. The internal issues and conflicts is something the brits and americans expoited to fabricate the fear of spread of communism and reinstate Shah to protect their oil interest...Democracy was overthrown for the sake of money....

The Americans were tricked by the British into believing that the communists were about to take over in order to stage the coup as it was the British who were stealing Iranian oil for decades and Mosaddegh wanted to stop the robbery and preserve the oil income to improve the lives of Iranians. It was all about money (for British) and power for Americans. They did pay a heavy price for their actions as the 1953 coup led to Iranian revolution and a fierce anti-American government in 1979 and even today even they are paying the price as Iran is gradually taking over the American interests all over the Middle East and likely the world. The loser sides are the US and the poor defenseless Iranian people who paid the price in 1953 and are paying the price since then even today.

Edited June 18, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The Americans were tricked by the British into believing that the communists were about to take over in order to stage the coup as it was the British who were stealing Iranian oil for decades and Mosaddegh wanted to stop the robbery and preserve the oil income to improve the lives of Iranians. It was all about money (for British) and power for Americans. They did pay a heavy price for their actions as the 1953 coup led to Iranian revolution and a fierce anti-American government in 1979 and up to today even they are payng the price as Iran is gradually taking over the American interests all over the Middle East and likely the world.

 

The Iranian Army's Coup did not lead to the Islamic Revolution. Over twenty years separate the two events. You're also free to think Persians too stupid to pull coups. The CIA assisted by bribing pro-Mosaddeq Army officers and providing a large cargo aircraft for the Shah to scoot around in so as to avoid arrest by Tudeh Party goons and such. You give America too much credit.

Iran taking over the USA's interest around the globe, eh? Another good one.

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

 They are supported by the old and poorly educated.

Whose numbers are dwindling every day and the educated and democracy seeker increasing every day.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Whose numbers are dwindling every day and the educated and democracy seeker increasing every day.

 

That's what folks were euphemistically saying about the Nazis, too...in 1938.

[CITIZEN_2015]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Iranian Army's Coup did not lead to the Islamic Revolution. Over twenty years separate the two events. You're also free to think Persians too stupid to pull coups. The CIA assisted by bribing pro-Mosaddeq Army officers and providing a large cargo aircraft for the Shah to scoot around in so as to avoid arrest by Tudeh Party goons and such. You give America too much credit.

Iran taking over the USA's interest around the globe, eh? Another good one.

 

I explained to you earlier how Mossaddegh's colleagues played a major role in 1979 revolution. And the hate they created among the people by this coup led to people rising up when opportunity knocked on their door in 1979 some 25 years later when the Shah had little support as many remembered the dark old days when CIA staged the coup. 

Yes Iran is gradually taking over American interests. Iraq for example was invaded by the US. The US spent hundreds of billions in Iraq and suffered many casualties and guess what? Iraq is now an Iranian colony!!!!! and same story in many other places.

Edited June 18, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[kactus]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The mullahs are in a grim endgame. They are supported by the old and poorly educated. One day they may face not violent overthrow but something even worse - laughter and ridicule. 

Yes you are right! But... still does not justify for some to put the blame for 9/11 on ayatollahs....

[kactus]

7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

That's what folks were euphemistically saying about the Nazis, too...in 1938.

Yes....and your beloved uncle an SS officer in der dritte Reich played a role in Bosnia. A good nazi is a dead nazi....

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I explained to you earlier how Mossaddegh's colleagues played a major role in 1979 revolution. And the hate they created among the people by this coup led to people rising up when opportunity knocked on their door in 1979 some 25 years later when the Shah had little support as many remembered the dark old days when CIA staged the coup. 

Yes Iran is gradually taking over American interests. Iraq for example was invaded by the US. The US spent hundreds of billions in Iraq and suffered many casualties and guess what? Iraq is now an Iranian colony!!!!! and same story in many other places.

 

You're free to believe that the US conducted the coup rather than the Iranian Army who were VERY anti-Soviet. Any idea why?

Just now, kactus said:

Yes....and your beloved uncle an SS officer in der dritte Reich played a role in Bosnia. A good nazi is a dead nazi....

 

What are you rambling about? If you want to join the Nazis, there are many options open to you to do so. As a Muslim or one of their supporters, you'll be right at home with the Jew-hating.

[kactus]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're free to believe that the US conducted the coup rather than the Iranian Army who were VERY anti-Soviet. Any idea why?

 

What are you rambling about? If you want to join the Nazis, there are many options open to you to do so. As a Muslim or one of their supporters, you'll be right at home with the Jew-hating.

You seem to enjoy this narcissitic habit imagining whatever you say is right. Thrn don't and spare me the energy to waste on eucating you about Iran...

Edited June 18, 2017 by kactus

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, kactus said:

You seem to enjoy this narcissitic habit imagining whatever you say is right. Thrn don't and spare me the energy to educate you about Iran...

 

I accept your surrender.

 

[kactus]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I accept your surrender.

 

Surrender my arse!