Arkansas hurries to execute convicts before drugs expire

[Omni]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/24/525385016/arkansas-prepares-for-first-double-execution-in-u-s-since-2000

[Omni]

Witness reveals the executions were as much torture as executions.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Witness reveals the executions were as much torture as executions.

I don't understand that. One would assume that those choosing assisted suicide in those jurisdictions where it is allowed are not tortured to death. Why not use the same drugs and methods for executions?

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't understand that. One would assume that those choosing assisted suicide in those jurisdictions where it is allowed are not tortured to death. Why not use the same drugs and methods for executions?

I don't either. I'm not a doctor but still it seems I have read that people who have chosen assisted suicide go to sleep and die peacefully. If you want to kill a convict why can't they do it the same way? 

[Wilber]

Sounds like they put dogs down more humanely. 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't understand that. One would assume that those choosing assisted suicide in those jurisdictions where it is allowed are not tortured to death. Why not use the same drugs and methods for executions?

 

Personally, I think they should bring back Old Sparky.

The only down side is the smell of burnt hair.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

I don't either. I'm not a doctor but still it seems I have read that people who have chosen assisted suicide go to sleep and die peacefully. If you want to kill a convict why can't they do it the same way? 

It could be the supplier's choice, I suppose. Some companies have refused to allow their product to be used for executions, I think.

A misguided position to take, imo.  

[Guest]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Personally, I think they should bring back Old Sparky.

The only down side is the smell of burnt hair.

If it were up to me I'd go by guillotine. No chance of a screw up there.  

Firing squad would be good too.  

[Omni]

Just now, bcsapper said:

It could be the supplier's choice, I suppose. Some companies have refused to allow their product to be used for executions, I think.

A misguided position to take, imo.  

Yes companies have done so which is why they need to hurry along before they pass the "best before" date with their current inventory.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, bcsapper said:

If it were up to me I'd go by guillotine. No chance of a screw up there.  

Firing squad would be good too.  

 

Also good choices....variety is the spice of life...err...death.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Also good choices....variety is the spice of life...err...death.

I expected that kind of sick comment would be forthcoming. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Bonam]

13 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It could be the supplier's choice, I suppose. Some companies have refused to allow their product to be used for executions, I think.

A misguided position to take, imo.  

Hardly. If you sell a drug used for other purposes, would you want it known that it is also used for executions? Do you even want your company's name associated with drugs used for execution? Lot's of people may be put off by that and it can cast your company in a bad light. 

[Bonam]

14 minutes ago, Omni said:

Yes companies have done so which is why they need to hurry along before they pass the "best before" date with their current inventory.

A horrible motivation for "hurrying" along executions. Execution is irreversible and so the full legal process needs to be carried out to the last degree, no appeal left untried and no stone left unturned, before execution is carried out. 

[taxme]

12 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Sounds like they put dogs down more humanely. 

When they put dogs down like they did my dog they first inject them with a sleeping drug. A minute later they then administer the final drug which stops the heart. My dog left this world peacefully. A sad day for me indeed to have to put down a great little buddy and friend. After fifteen years of walking in the park together it sure was hard to have to put him down. I have to admit that I cried for weeks after. Sometimes life sucks. 

[taxme]

17 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

If it were up to me I'd go by guillotine. No chance of a screw up there.  

Firing squad would be good too.  

Hopefully they don't all miss and just wound the poor batard. 

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Bonam said:

A horrible motivation for "hurrying" along executions. Execution is irreversible and so the full legal process needs to be carried out to the last degree, no appeal left untried and no stone left unturned, before execution is carried out. 

Aw well, crap happens. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Hopefully they don't all miss and just wound the poor batard. 

 

Murderer Gary Gilmore was executed by firing squad in 1977 (Utah).

They didn't miss.

[Wilber]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

When they put dogs down like they did my dog they first inject them with a sleeping drug. A minute later they then administer the final drug which stops the heart. My dog left this world peacefully. A sad day for me indeed to have to put down a great little buddy and friend. After fifteen years of walking in the park together it sure was hard to have to put him down. I have to admit that I cried for weeks after. Sometimes life sucks. 

Yup, know the feeling exactly.

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, Bonam said:

A horrible motivation for "hurrying" along executions. Execution is irreversible and so the full legal process needs to be carried out to the last degree, no appeal left untried and no stone left unturned, before execution is carried out. 

Yes indeed, and I recall reading back a while that when DNA was finally perfected to a point were it could prove or disprove guilt or innocence, a fairly large number of prisoners on death row, I think the majority in Florida, were proven to be innocent. I bet you can guess the skin color and economic status of most of them. 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Murderer Gary Gilmore was executed by firing squad in 1977 (Utah).

They didn't miss.

Too bad they F*** up so bad when aiming a needle.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Bonam said:

Hardly. If you sell a drug used for other purposes, would you want it known that it is also used for executions? Do you even want your company's name associated with drugs used for execution? Lot's of people may be put off by that and it can cast your company in a bad light. 

Yeah, but if it's going to be done anyway, and allowing your drug to be used means less suffering for the inmate, I would allow it.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Omni said:

Yes indeed, and I recall reading back a while that when DNA was finally perfected to a point were it could prove or disprove guilt or innocence, a fairly large number of prisoners on death row, I think the majority in Florida, were proven to be innocent. I bet you can guess the skin color and economic status of most of them. 

That's why I'm against the death penalty.  I can't bring myself to have a moral objection to killing someone who deserves it, but they do seem to put little effort into ensuring people do.  

[Wilber]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, but if it's going to be done anyway, and allowing your drug to be used means less suffering for the inmate, I would allow it.

What if you don't believe in capital punishment? Execution is not a drug manufacturers responsibility.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, but if it's going to be done anyway, and allowing your drug to be used means less suffering for the inmate, I would allow it.

Except if you didn't get my point, these drugs actually cause more suffering, not less. Eyewitnesses to the most recent executions in Arkansas as well as many others have spoken about just that. Maybe as much as the likes of BC make a joke about it, a firing squad would be better, if you feel the need to do it in the first place. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

What if you don't believe in capital punishment? Execution is not a drug manufacturers responsibility.

I don't, and I would. Like I said, if the criminal is going to be executed regardless, and my drug can ease their passing, I would be okay with it.