Worldwide demonstrations for "science".

[blackbird]

These demonstrations ostensibly in support of "science", taking place today, Apr. 22, seem to have a strong political overtone.  Most of it seems to be anti-Trump protests with various liberal or leftist causes thrown in such as climate change, anti Trump cutting budget in certain areas.  I would say they are not much more than anti-Trump or anti-Trump agenda protests, which is nothing new.

Edited April 22, 2017 by blackbird

[eyeball]

Unfortunately the depth and extent of stupidity in the world is becoming a truly serious impediment to our continued existence.

The fantastical thinking that thousands of years of religious nonsense have helped engender has become our species Achilles Heel - the latest incarnation of fake news and alternative facts is really giving us a good push towards oblivion.  Welcome to Planet Babel, where utter confusion reigns supreme.

Science is just about the only way forward, and most everything else is suicide.

[hot enough]

Danae of NON SEQUITUR describes these people perfectly. You can see their "arguments" found within each four section cartoon. They use them here at MLW. Like they are reading Danae' s lines and posting them here. Danae is big on alternate facts.

She could be a replacement for Sean Spicer. She's just more honest and much brighter.

Edited April 23, 2017 by hot enough

[Omni]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

These demonstrations ostensibly in support of "science", taking place today, Apr. 22, seem to have a strong political overtone.  Most of it seems to be anti-Trump protests with various liberal or leftist causes thrown in such as climate change, anti Trump cutting budget in certain areas.  I would say they are not much more than anti-Trump or anti-Trump agenda protests, which is nothing new.

I guess when Trump proclaims that global warming is fake, cuts funding to the EPA, says he will pull out of the Paris Accord, and suggests we should get back into clogging the air with coal dust/smoke, you might just expect a response from scientists.

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Omni said:

I guess when Trump proclaims that global warming is fake, cuts funding to the EPA, says he will pull out of the Paris Accord, and suggests we should get back into clogging the air with coal dust/smoke, you might just expect a response from scientists.

 A lot of people think man-made global warming is fake including a lot of scientists.  People like Trudeau committed 2.65 billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to third world countries to help them deal with climate change, without asking Canadians.  Not to mention the vast amounts of money he gives away to other countries for various causes dear to his heart.  At least Trump is standing up for the people, unlike Trudeau.

Edited April 23, 2017 by blackbird

[dialamah]

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 A lot of people think man-made global warming is fake including a lot of scientists.

A lot more people think global warming is real, including a lot more scientists. 

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

At least Trump is standing up for the people,

Trump isn't going to be affected by global warming.  I probably won't be much either, but you probably will be.  Wonder if you'll look back at your comments here and wonder how you were so determined to ignore all the evidence?   

[Omni]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 A lot of people think man-made global warming is fake including a lot of scientists.  People like Trudeau committed 2.65 billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to third world countries to help them deal with climate change, without asking Canadians.  Not to mention the vast amounts of money he gives away to other countries for various causes dear to his heart.  At least Trump is standing up for the people, unlike Trudeau.

 "A lot" of scientists? Certainly not a lot of actual professional climate change scientists dispute global warming, or more importantly, the fact that it is human caused. Maybe some who got degrees from Trump U. Hard to tell who Tump is standing up for, he changes his tune like a drunken sailor from day to day it seems.  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 A lot of people think man-made global warming is fake including a lot of scientists.

You think 3% of scientists is a lot?

You see, that's what fantastical thinking does.   

[Hal 9000]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

You think 3% of scientists is a lot?

You see, that's what fantastical thinking does.   

Even the 3% is a faulty stat.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Even the 3% is a faulty stat.

I agree.  The studies I have seen have it much lower.

[Hal 9000]

There are no actual honest studies.  There is no data that can accurately studied, because it's all been compromised.  

Now, wether you believe in global warming or not makes no difference because nothing can be done to correct it - except hope that it's natural and self corrects.  You can be outraged and wring your hands and tell yourself you're a good person for doing so, but the fact is; nothing will be done by humans to reverse anything.  

BTW - If global warming is man made, wouldn't science be the main suspects...and hasn't science created nearly every weapon of mass destruction from the 19th century onward?  

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

There are no actual honest studies.  There is no data that can accurately studied, because it's all been compromised.   

Studies, including scholarly studies by real scientists, into the level of agreement amongst scientists and experts in almost all fields of study have been coming back with figure around 97% for years now.

That's why I asked how 3% translated into 'lots'.

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Now, wether you believe in global warming or not makes no difference because nothing can be done to correct it - except hope that it's natural and self corrects.  You can be outraged and wring your hands and tell yourself you're a good person for doing so, but the fact is; nothing will be done by humans to reverse anything.   

 

I wish governments were as brutally honest as you because I suspect the more radical environmentalists, terrorists to you, would become a lot more active, as they should.  It may not be possible to correct what's been done but there is no excuse for not trying to prevent things from getting worse.  The fact is something will be done by humans and the longer its put off the likelihood that what is done won't be pleasant will probably increase.

Edited April 24, 2017 by eyeball

[Hal 9000]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Studies, including scholarly studies by real scientists, into the level of agreement amongst scientists and experts in almost all fields of study have been coming back with figure around 97% for years now.

That's why I asked how 3% translated into 'lots'.

I wish governments were as brutally honest as you because I suspect the more radical environmentalists, terrorists to you, would become a lot more active, as they should.  It may not be possible to correct what's been done but there is no excuse for not trying to prevent things from getting worse.  The fact is something will be done by humans and the longer its put off the likelihood that what is done won't be pleasant will probably increase.

What exactly would environmentalists do?  Wear work socks with their Birkenstocks, grow a bigger man bun?  Smoke some dope and complain about the government? Stop driving their old beat up Vans? Grow up dude, there is nothing that environmentalists do that is any more environmentally conscious than any one else.  OH, they'd drive an electric car if the prices came down, bullsheet, they drive whatever gets them there and if they can afford a big SUV, then that's what they drive.  They feign outrage when necessary, then proceed to destroy the environment at the same rate as anyone/everyone else.  

[eyeball]

Whatever they do already its often enough to get them branded as terrorists so what they might do in the future will likely be referred to as crimes against humanity.

Just so you know, I have no problem putting man buns into that category right now.

[Queenmandy85]

Blackbird, I note that you say you don't believe in the effect of greenhouse gasses on re-radiation of energy. You can demonstrate this effect in any under-graduate lab. If you project energy into an atmosphere made up of the current gasses in the Earth's atmosphere, the energy re-radiated is measurable. If you increase the levels of carbon dioxide and / or methane, the energy re-radiated declines and the atmosphere heats up. The temperature rise is predictable and measurable.

The levels of carbon dioxide and methane have been increasing at an accelerating rate, much of it due to human activity. The details of how this will effect atmospheric and oceanographic conditions in the short term depend on so many variables that detailed prediction is very difficult. However, in the long term, the results are clear. 

This is not a question of belief, it is a matter of science. As I say, the manner of how this manifests its self is a matter for on going research, but the end result is dire in the extreme.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

This is not a question of belief, it is a matter of science.

I just can't help but get the sense the word belief is faulty and inappropriate when its used to discuss scientific evidence, like it was denoting a subscription to something more metaphysical.  For example, even if it was scientifically proven beyond a shadow of doubt that God existed it wouldn't automatically mean I believe in Him. I mean I could say I believe He exists but that doesn't mean I believe Him per se. I'd still need evidence that He's worth following and subscribing to what He says and so on. 

So when someone says they believe in global warming its like they're actually saying they believe in warming the globe up.  It's a quibble of semantics at best I guess but there is or should be I think a difference and separation between believing something is real and actually knowing it is.

[Wilber]

Oddly enough, I'm not that concerned about Trump. From what I see, a large number of US governments and business leaders see him as yesterday's man when it comes to the environment and plan on going ahead in spite of him.

Hope I'm right.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Wilber

[Hal 9000]

1 hour ago, Wilber said:

Oddly enough, I'm not that concerned about Trump. From what I see, a large number of US governments and business leaders see him as yesterday's man when it comes to the environment and plan on going ahead in spite of him.

Hope I'm right.

Going ahead and doing what exactly?

[Wilber]

Going ahead with alternate energy sources, enacting their own environmental legislation. That kind of thing. Trump makes a big deal about coal but who is going to buy it? 

Edited April 24, 2017 by Wilber

[Omni]

2 hours ago, Wilber said:

Oddly enough, I'm not that concerned about Trump. From what I see, a large number of US governments and business leaders see him as yesterday's man when it comes to the environment and plan on going ahead in spite of him.

Hope I'm right.

I think you are right. A lot of businesses have come to realize and accept the data provided by the vast numbers of qualified scientists that there is a problem, and that it is largely man made. And while Trump wants to reestablish coal as an energy source, another guy who may know a little bit about energy has something else to say.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/30/ge-ceo-trump-climate-change/

[blackbird]

Those who believe in the hoax of man-made global warming should contribute their own money and keep their hands off everyone else's.  But alas SJWs and leftist millionaire politicians feel free to help themselves to everyone else's money with the phony carbon pricing and carbon taxes, while they take extravagant vacations on taxpayer's money.

[taxme]

On 4/22/2017 at 6:26 PM, Omni said:

I guess when Trump proclaims that global warming is fake, cuts funding to the EPA, says he will pull out of the Paris Accord, and suggests we should get back into clogging the air with coal dust/smoke, you might just expect a response from scientists.

Some scientists are paid big bucks to lie. But you would not now anything about that, now would you? It's going to take thousands of years before global warming ever does any kind of real damage to the earth, if that event ever happens at all. So, don't panic, go have a coffee and chillout. You will be dead by the time all this nonsense is suppose to happen anyway. 

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Some scientists are paid big bucks to lie. But you would not now anything about that, now would you? It's going to take thousands of years before global warming ever does any kind of real damage to the earth, if that event ever happens at all. So, don't panic, go have a coffee and chillout. You will be dead by the time all this nonsense is suppose to happen anyway. 

Hard to believe you are that unaware. Go check out what is happening to the Great Barrier Reef, the arctic ice, the antarctic ice, the temperature records, etc., etc., etc. Obviously science is not your forte.

[taxme]

On 4/22/2017 at 6:29 PM, blackbird said:

 A lot of people think man-made global warming is fake including a lot of scientists.  People like Trudeau committed 2.65 billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to third world countries to help them deal with climate change, without asking Canadians.  Not to mention the vast amounts of money he gives away to other countries for various causes dear to his heart.  At least Trump is standing up for the people, unlike Trudeau.

That trudeau should be arrested and charged and put in the gulag for the misuse of taxpayer's tax dollars. Lucky for him there is no law that we can nail his butt on for that. By the time JT, and what his papa has already done to Canada we will be bloody bankrupt. He blows taxes like there is no tomorrow, and there are some here who probably enjoy and go along with him. And then these same people ask themselves as to why I have no money to buy food. I think that Canada is a breeding ground for losers.  

[taxme]

Just now, Omni said:

Hard to believe you are that unaware. Go check out what is happening to the Great Barrier Reef, the arctic ice, the antarctic ice, the temperature records, etc., etc., etc. Obviously science is not your forte.

You are nothing more than a doom and gloomer cry baby. The earth has been blown up by volcanoes, floods drowned the land, tornadoes ripped up millions of acres, tsunamis have wiped out whole islands, earthquakes have ripped the earth apart in many places, and this has all been going on for millions of years, and yet the earth is still here, and life still thrives. You are still here, aren't you, or have you not noticed that yet? Let the arctic and antarctic ice melt. We all will adjust in some way and thrive on. By the time all that snow and ice melts away you will be long gone. So, quit with the panic. 

Why do people like you get all upset over something that may happen in a hundred thousand years from now anyway?  This global warming nonsense is all just another elite globalist false flag to try to cause more division among the so many other divisions that the elite keep creating for the people to end up fighting over and against each other. When will these fools ever wake up?