betsy Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 North Korea is back in the news. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/north-korea-launch-unidentified-projectile/index.html This is scary for Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 The escalating situation in North Korea is quite concerning and puts China yet again on spot light.... Whilst Norrh Korea regime is corrupt it doesn't help the situation to have a sabre rattling wacko as POTUS. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/03/north-korea-nuclear-test-south-korea-yohap-kim-jong-un-live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Concerning like Saddam Hussein? Where's David Frum when we really need him? Axis of Evil my concerned ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 So North Korea has allegedly exploded a big hydrogen bomb now, one that can allegedly fit onto an ICBC, and is threatening to use it on the US in an EMP attack. For those who aren't aware of it, an EMP is an electromagnetic pulse, which is something nukes give off. The theory, based on what happened when the US exploded a test bomb high up decades ago, is that if you set off a bomb up high, the electromagnetic pulse will basically destroy all sensitive electronics, most especially including power transformers, thus wiping out the electricity grid. This would not cause a day or a week of power loss, but potentially many months since the transformers would have to be rebuilt. And, of course, Canada would be hit by the same pulse. While some military equipment is hardened against EMPs, no civilian infrastructure has been hardened. Some estimate 90% of the population would die within a year or so of an EMP since we can't support our present population without electricity. Nothing much is being done about this. I doubt Canadian authorities even know what an EMP is. Some American authorities have been calling on the government to harden their public power grid for years, but the cost is estimated at $20 billion so no one has shown a lot of interest. On the other hand, the US has spent an estimated $400 billion in Afghanistan so... http://futurescience.com/emp.html 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Argus said: So North Korea has allegedly exploded a big hydrogen bomb now, one that can allegedly fit onto an ICBC, and is threatening to use it on the US in an EMP attack. For those who aren't aware of it, an EMP is an electromagnetic pulse, which is something nukes give off. The theory, based on what happened when the US exploded a test bomb high up decades ago, is that if you set off a bomb up high, the electromagnetic pulse will basically destroy all sensitive electronics, most especially including power transformers, thus wiping out the electricity grid. This would not cause a day or a week of power loss, but potentially many months since the transformers would have to be rebuilt. And, of course, Canada would be hit by the same pulse. While some military equipment is hardened against EMPs, no civilian infrastructure has been hardened. Some estimate 90% of the population would die within a year or so of an EMP since we can't support our present population without electricity. Nothing much is being done about this. I doubt Canadian authorities even know what an EMP is. Some American authorities have been calling on the government to harden their public power grid for years, but the cost is estimated at $20 billion so no one has shown a lot of interest. On the other hand, the US has spent an estimated $400 billion in Afghanistan so... http://futurescience.com/emp.html I frankly think it's time to stop the daintiness and excuses and knock NK off line before this parade of horribles even starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, jbg said: I frankly think it's time to stop the daintiness and excuses and knock NK off line before this parade of horribles even starts. Read this: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/ South Korea, our allies, are hugely at risk with pre-emptive military action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Dont worry guys, NK is just bluffing. They wont do anything against US but I cant guarantee that they wont shot a Muslim country or anti-American European country with nukes. Anything can be justified by an atheist There is one rule and its "there is no rule". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Read this: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/ South Korea, our allies, are hugely at risk with pre-emptive military action. Not if we move hard and fast enough. The model is Israel's preemptive strike in the Six Day War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, jbg said: Not if we move hard and fast enough. The model is Israel's preemptive strike in the Six Day War. I'm not a military historian, but I don't think those are analogous situations. NK is expecting an attack, and the author of the article seems to assess that as high risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I'm not a military historian, but I don't think those are analogous situations. NK is expecting an attack, and the author of the article seems to assess that as high risk. I would assume that Egypt expected an attack. They blockaded the Straits of Tiran and thus Israel's port city of Eilat. I don't care how many North Koreans have to die. I care first about the U.S, then about South Korea and Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I'm not a military historian, but I don't think those are analogous situations. NK is expecting an attack, and the author of the article seems to assess that as high risk. Any idea as to who started the Korean War? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Any idea as to who started the Korean War? http://www.history.com/topics/korean-war Quote On June 25, 1950, the Korean War began when some 75,000 soldiers from the North Korean People’s Army poured across the 38th parallel, the boundary between the Soviet-backed Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to the north and the pro-Western Republic of Korea to the south. This invasion was the first military action of the Cold War. I guess you think my name is Michael Googlner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 48 minutes ago, jbg said: I would assume that Egypt expected an attack. They blockaded the Straits of Tiran and thus Israel's port city of Eilat. I don't care how many North Koreans have to die. I care first about the U.S, then about South Korea and Japan. Well, Japan and South Korea would be hugely at risk, maybe Guam. But ok. The article lays out the risks pretty clearly, I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: http://www.history.com/topics/korean-war I guess you think my name is Michael Googlner ? I do...Google is a powerful helper. Did you have a clue before you looked? No, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: No, huh? Did you see where I wrote this: "I'm not a military historian" Would you like me to provide a list of subjects I'm unfamiliar with ? That way you can ask me questions on them and I can tell you I don't know and you can feel really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Did you see where I wrote this: "I'm not a military historian" Would you like me to provide a list of subjects I'm unfamiliar with ? That way you can ask me questions on them and I can tell you I don't know and you can feel really good. Your natural assumption was to assume "the USA did it". Guess what? The Arabs started the Arab Israeli War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: 1. Your natural assumption was to assume "the USA did it". 2. Guess what? The Arabs started the Arab Israeli War. 1. Wait. Didn't you accuse me of Googling it ? Guess what ? I googled it. I had no idea, nor did I make any assumption. 2. Yes, they were going to attack Israel and Israel pre-emptively attacked and defeated them. I did know that. Why are you trying to start an argument where there is none ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Wait. Didn't you accuse me of Googling it ? Guess what ? I googled it. I had no idea, nor did I make any assumption. 2. Yes, they were going to attack Israel and Israel pre-emptively attacked and defeated them. I did know that. Why are you trying to start an argument where there is none ? Oh please...do continue. If not for non-historians blurting out supposed facts, I'd be rather bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Any idea as to who started the Korean War? Koreans? C'mon people...stop falling for such dumb questions...I can't believe how easily DOP gets away with this nonsense. Its easy to see how we sucked ourselves into the Korean War. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 It is absurd for the West to even contemplate an attack on NK... South Korea and Japan are within close vicinity. It is an absolute suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 13 hours ago, eyeball said: Concerning like Saddam Hussein? Where's David Frum when we really need him? Axis of Evil my concerned ass Don't get me started on Frum. That idiot must be feeling really pompous preparing Bush's union speech.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 hours ago, jbg said: I would assume that Egypt expected an attack. They blockaded the Straits of Tiran and thus Israel's port city of Eilat. I don't care how many North Koreans have to die. I care first about the U.S, then about South Korea and Japan. This is horrible, so you dont care about innocent people in NK. This is just inhuman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 10 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Oh please...do continue. If not for non-historians blurting out supposed facts, I'd be rather bored. Here are the facts I put out. - I don't think Israel 1967/NK are analogous situations. -NK is expecting an attack, -the author of the article seems to assess that as high risk. I hardly went out on a limb, or overstepped my limited knowledge. Which one of these assertions was so far off that it perks up your boredom ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Altai said: This is horrible, so you dont care about innocent people in NK. This is just inhuman. If the USA didn't bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki - how many more millions would've died in WW2? That's the ugly and very sad reality of war. Innocents are killed. Edited September 4, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 hours ago, kactus said: It is absurd for the West to even contemplate an attack on NK... South Korea and Japan are within close vicinity. It is an absolute suicide. I bet Japan and SK have had bunkers or air shelters built for the population long time ago After all, they're next door to a looney. I don't think Japan and SK would be unprepared in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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