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Ottawa has proven it can no longer govern Canada effectively and fairly. They constantly misrepresent the needs of Canadians as a whole. Canada is a very diverse country and it is unrealistic to believe that a central government can truly the diverse needs of all Canadians. Therefore it is only logical that each province have full autonomy yet still operate under the umbrella of Canada. 

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Well how far does that division go? Because Tthe federal government is doing alot better job than alot of the premiers, especially Wynne. should Ontario divide into multiple provinces, because those of us in the gta are tired of supporting northern ontario which is poor and jobless.

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I think it would be better to eliminate the provinces. The provinces cause an unnecessary duplication of costs (such as needing to pay for more politicians) and make it difficult to coordinate policy.

 

As for the federal government misrepresenting the Canadian public, the problem is the first past the post system. If we moved to proportional representation like they have in the Netherlands, then there would be more parties competing to represent the Canadian public. Look at Ontario, for example, all 3 major parties support having a Catholic School System despite it being against secular and despite opinion polls showing that the majority of Ontarians wanting it to be abolished.

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39 minutes ago, Dick Tator said:

Ottawa has proven it can no longer govern Canada effectively and fairly. They constantly misrepresent the needs of Canadians as a whole. Canada is a very diverse country and it is unrealistic to believe that a central government can truly the diverse needs of all Canadians. Therefore it is only logical that each province have full autonomy yet still operate under the umbrella of Canada. 

I believe that the Western provinces should go it alone. Western Canada has nothing in common with the east. The west has had to put up with the east and it's political programs and agendas for decades now that are of no use to the west. The west has had to pretty much live according to the dictates of the french from Quebec, and Ontario liberalism. The west could separate and still be good friends with the east.

The west has always been shafted by the east, and yet westerners still take it. It still amazes me as to how stunned most westerners can be. The west can be a very wealthy and prosperous place to live but yet westerners still want the east to control their lives, and continue to want to be shackled to them. Talk about suckers for punishment.

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2 hours ago, Dick Tator said:

Ottawa has proven it can no longer govern Canada effectively and fairly. They constantly misrepresent the needs of Canadians as a whole. Canada is a very diverse country and it is unrealistic to believe that a central government can truly the diverse needs of all Canadians. Therefore it is only logical that each province have full autonomy yet still operate under the umbrella of Canada. 

Given the kinds of provincial governments we have in BC, Alberta and especially Ontario, I don't think I'd like to trust them with any more power than they currently have.

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BC'rs should take over Canada - good bud for everyone, get those *SUTB types to relax.   Carbon taxes doubled, and SJWs and Climate Change believers should sweep from West to East, greening and equalizing everything in their path.  

Works for me.  :D

*Stick Up The Backside

 

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5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

BC'rs should take over Canada - good bud for everyone, get those *SUTB types to relax.   Carbon taxes doubled, and SJWs and Climate Change believers should sweep from West to East, greening and equalizing everything in their path.  

Works for me.  :D

*Stick Up The Backside

 

But SJW and SUTB are synonyms...

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3 hours ago, hernanday said:

Well how far does that division go? Because Tthe federal government is doing alot better job than alot of the premiers, especially Wynne. should Ontario divide into multiple provinces, because those of us in the gta are tired of supporting northern ontario which is poor and jobless.

The Federal government is failing Canadians in many ways.  Just heard that six executives in Bombardier gave themselves a 50% raise last year and are making a total of 32 million dollars between the six of them.  Yet Ottawa gave about 400 to 500 million dollars of taxpayer money to Bombardier a few months ago.  Now they are laying off 14,500 people worldwide.  Ottawa also just gave Ford motor company about 200 or 300 million dollars of taxpayer money.  Trudeau promised to give third world countries 2.65 billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to them to help them deal with climate change.  He also is putting carbon pricing on Canadians which will raise the price of everything.  He is creating a deficit which will be close to 30 billion dollars in a couple of years.  He is not good for Canada.  He went on a holiday at Christmas to visit Khan on a Caribean Island which cost Canadian taxpayers 127,000 dollars.   All this while many Canadians are struggling to make ends meet with high rent, high mortgage payments and other expenses.

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28 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

They helped build a railway over 100 years ago. Surely that counts for something.

You are going back a long way, over a century, to find something Ottawa did for the west.  Building the railway was part of an agreement for B.C. to join Canada.  It also served the east by providing access to the Pacific Ocean and Asia for shipping goods. Trudeau screwed Alberta with his National Energy Program.  Justin Trudeau has made comments to show he doesn't have much use for Alberta and favours Quebec.

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2 hours ago, dialamah said:

BC'rs should take over Canada - good bud for everyone, get those *SUTB types to relax.   Carbon taxes doubled, and SJWs and Climate Change believers should sweep from West to East, greening and equalizing everything in their path.  

Works for me.  :D

*Stick Up The Backside

 

Is that you, Justin?

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47 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are going back a long way, over a century, to find something Ottawa did for the west.

 

What? Surely a single railway 100 years ago justifies treating the west as tax slaves and giving them under-representation in the House of Commons and Senate. Sounds like a fair trade-off to me.

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6 hours ago, blackbird said:

The Federal government is failing Canadians in many ways.  Just heard that six executives in Bombardier gave themselves a 50% raise last year and are making a total of 32 million dollars between the six of them.  Yet Ottawa gave about 400 to 500 million dollars of taxpayer money to Bombardier a few months ago.  Now they are laying off 14,500 people worldwide.  Ottawa also just gave Ford motor company about 200 or 300 million dollars of taxpayer money.  Trudeau promised to give third world countries 2.65 billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to them to help them deal with climate change.  He also is putting carbon pricing on Canadians which will raise the price of everything.  He is creating a deficit which will be close to 30 billion dollars in a couple of years.  He is not good for Canada.  He went on a holiday at Christmas to visit Khan on a Caribean Island which cost Canadian taxpayers 127,000 dollars.   All this while many Canadians are struggling to make ends meet with high rent, high mortgage payments and other expenses.

 

Deficits are good for Canada in the recessionary economy Harpoon gave us. Trudeau inherited a high mortgage, high rent, and high expense economy from Harper.  Harper screwed the country, it will take liberals a decade to fix it.

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17 minutes ago, hernanday said:

 

Deficits are good for Canada in the recessionary economy Harpoon gave us. Trudeau inherited a high mortgage, high rent, and high expense economy from Harper.  Harper screwed the country, it will take liberals a decade to fix it.

Where did you get that idea?   Harper left the economy in good shape.  In the last five years of the Conservatives from 2011 to 2015, the Conservatives paid off the deficit completely so when the Liberals were elected there was no deficit.  There is no recession right now so why have a deficit?

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35 minutes ago, hernanday said:

Deficits are good for Canada in the recessionary economy Harpoon gave us. Trudeau inherited a high mortgage, high rent, and high expense economy from Harper.  Harper screwed the country, it will take liberals a decade to fix it.

Yeah man, go for mass deficits for decades. Certainly worked out for Canada in the past. Like the massive deficits in the 70's and 80's. Not like it has to be paid back or anything.

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If you don't mind me weighing in again on one of your more internal issues...

Americans have been here before.  Our first constitution practically gave full autonomy to the thirteen member states.  It was not at all a unified republic but a loose confederation of thirteen warring tribes.

Would you go so far as to allow the ten provinces to have the power to regulate their own defense and foreign affairs? To make treaties with each other and with foreign states?

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Where did you get that idea?   Harper left the economy in good shape.  In the last five years of the Conservatives from 2011 to 2015, the Conservatives paid off the deficit completely so when the Liberals were elected there was no deficit.  There is no recession right now so why have a deficit?

Harper took the largest Surplus in Canadian history from Paul Martin and turned that inot the largest deficit into Canadian history.  It is true that he slowed the rate of spending in his final year but he increased the debt and increased the deficit during his majority by a very large amount.  The conservatives did not pay off the deficit, in fact every budget they ran every year was a large deficit. We are in a recession, it is a mild recession but still a recession.  Harper lost because Canada did not emerge from the recession as quickly as it should have.  Harper Increased the total debt from 400 billion to 600+ billion.  So he increased the national debt in his short tenure by 50% by running massive deficits.  He spent more than every liberal prime minister who preceded him.

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2 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Yeah man, go for mass deficits for decades. Certainly worked out for Canada in the past. Like the massive deficits in the 70's and 80's. Not like it has to be paid back or anything.

Yeah and we had alot better standard of living comparatively in the 80s and 70s, you seem to be forgetting that back then only one income bought a house and raised a family of 6 kids with 2 cars, debt free.

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