Argus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, kactus said: Do you actually know the rules for becoming a citizen in Canada? Better than you do. I'm not saying that IS the rule. I'm saying that SHOULD BE the rule. Just as it is for most of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: Better than you do. I'm not saying that IS the rule. I'm saying that SHOULD BE the rule. Just as it is for most of the world. I didn't claim this to be a competition over who has more knowledge. It was a genuine question! Anyways...here is what I found: https://www.immigrationdirect.ca/canada-citizenship-application-cit-0002E.jsp?r=ga-cpc-707767892-%2Bcanadian %2Bcitizenship %2B2017:m=b,g=35348015405,p=1t3&gclid=CNDOnICH69ICFUK3GwodRXYDlw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Sort of like a cheap hooker...everyone who wants has had a ride. If you don't like to ride this "cheap hooker" there are always options... Edited March 22, 2017 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kactus said: I didn't claim this to be a competition over who has more knowledge. It was a genuine question! Anyways...here is what I found: https://www.immigrationdirect.ca/canada-citizenship-application-cit-0002E.jsp?r=ga-cpc-707767892-%2Bcanadian %2Bcitizenship %2B2017:m=b,g=35348015405,p=1t3&gclid=CNDOnICH69ICFUK3GwodRXYDlw You are probably unaware of it but we had this as part of a topic not very long ago. Most countries in the world, including all European countries, only grant citizenship to people born to their own citizens. Canada and the US are about the last to not change to this system because, being far away, it's harder for people to get here just to have kids and obtain citizenship. We given citizenship to anyone who is born here, regardless of whether their parents specifically came here just to have the kid, then go home, or whether the kid is born to foreign parents here on a tourist visa or illegal immigrants or something similar. I value citizenship more highly. I don't think we should be letting people have it who aren't actually Canadians. Edited March 22, 2017 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, kactus said: If you don't like to ride this "cheap hooker" there are always options... Yeah...join with the Natives. My brother, the crow, calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: You are probably unaware of it but we had this as part of a topic not very long ago. Most countries in the world, including all European countries, only grant citizenship to people born to their own citizens. Canada and the US are about the last to not change to this system because, being far away, it's harder for people to get here just to have kids and obtain citizenship. We given citizenship to anyone who is born here, regardless of whether their parents specifically came here just to have the kid, then go home, or whether the kid is born to foreign parents here on a tourist visa or something similar. I value citizenship more highly. I don't think we should be letting people have it who aren't actually Canadians. I don't mean to drift on this thread but can someone please explain to me what is it about being an american? To me gere is no such a thing as it is made up of europeans, asians and other immigrants with some europeans putting ownership to it. Call me naive but there's no such a thing as american with a history stretching a couple of centuries....Now if we were to say this about european countries that's a different story. The history is rich and old.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yeah...join with the Natives. My brother, the crow, calls. Regardless...like i said there are always other options to consider.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, kactus said: I don't mean to drift on this thread but can someone please explain to me what is it about being an american? To me gere is no such a thing as it is made up of europeans, asians and other immigrants with some europeans putting ownership to it. Call me naive but there's no such a thing as american with a history stretching a couple of centuries....Now if we were to say this about european countries that's a different story. The history is rich and old.... I would say the cultural context of being born and growing up in America (or Canada) is every bit as unique as it would be growing up in France or Germany. The fact that people's ancestors originated elsewhere is immaterial as long as they've all blended together into one whole. DNA is not the point. Culture and shared values and history are what makes a nation or people. That's one of the troubling things I see about bringing in so many immigrants so fast. if you live somewhere where more then half the population originate in other lands then you're getting a watered down version of that shared values and history, particularly if you go to a school which is mostly immigrant kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Argus said: I would say the cultural context of being born and growing up in America (or Canada) is every bit as unique as it would be growing up in France or Germany. The fact that people's ancestors originated elsewhere is immaterial as long as they've all blended together into one whole. DNA is not the point. Culture and shared values and history are what makes a nation or people. That's one of the troubling things I see about bringing in so many immigrants so fast. if you live somewhere where more then half the population originate in other lands then you're getting a watered down version of that shared values and history, particularly if you go to a school which is mostly immigrant kids. Argus, how far is the piece of string? by that logic the aboriginis should claim ownership to Australia and red indians to US instead of red necks. But we know very well those days are gone same as your idea of thinking that I want Canada or US to be just for white people from Europe. It's not gonna happen.... UK by far has a much richer and older history than US and Canada combind.... even they have come to realization that the brown people from Asia notably India and Pakistan are tgere to stay whether some white native brits like it or not. That is the reality and Canada has a long way to go yet... Edited March 22, 2017 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, kactus said: Argus, how far is tge piece of string? by that logic the aboriginis should claim ownership to Australia and red indians to US instead of red necks. But we know very well those days are gone same as your idea of thinking that I want Canada or US to be just for white people from Europe. It's not gonna happen.... UK by far has a much richer and older history than US and Canada combind.... even they have come to realization that the brown people from Asia notably India and Pakistan are tgere to stay whether some white native brits like it or not. That is the reality and Canada has a long way to go yet... The first real clash between East and West occurred during the Ionian Revolt. Remember the Athenians... Which led to Marathon. We've never been 'bros' since....Islam or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The first real clash between East and West occurred during the Ionian Revolt. Remember the Athenians... Which led to Marathon. We've never been 'bros' since....Islam or not. Shshhhh! Don't forget Salamis and Thermopylae and then there were zoroastrians, bahais and jews before Muslims. Ofcourse you knew zoroastrians were not muslims? Oh the irony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, kactus said: Shshhhh! Don't forget Salamis and Thermopylae and then there were zoroastrians, bahais and jews before Muslims. Ofcourse you knew zoroastrians were not muslims? Oh the irony! It's true...like it or not. And though incredulity in the West regarding such things is natural and expected...the opposite isn't true...where memories are long and prayers to the Gods remind the faithful of past misdeeds by the Other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: It's true...like it or not. And though incredulity in the West regarding such things is natural and expected...the opposite isn't true...where memories are long and prayers to the Gods remind the faithful of past misdeeds by the Other. Well when you try and rationalise things in your head in that way there's no point even talking to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, kactus said: Well when you try and rationalise things in your head in that way there's no point even talking to you... I accept your surrender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The first real clash between East and West occurred during the Ionian Revolt. Remember the Athenians... Which led to Marathon. We've never been 'bros' since....Islam or not. Hell I say farther back than that. Ugg from the east side of the village was really upset with how Groog was treating him, so now we have Jihad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, GostHacked said: Hell I say farther back than that. Ugg from the east side of the village was really upset with how Groog was treating him, so now we have Jihad. You would be incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_Revolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, kactus said: .. UK by far has a much richer and older history than US and Canada combind.... even they have come to realization that the brown people from Asia notably India and Pakistan are tgere to stay whether some white native brits like it or not. That is the reality and Canada has a long way to go yet... I wouldn't say so. Older, yes. But richer? How do you define richer? Canada's and U.S.'s culture was taken with them when they came to the new world don't forget. We have the best of both the old world and the new world. We have the culture of Europe if you want to call it that or for lack of a better word, and we have the beauty, wealth, geography of the new world. We are better off than Europeans in so many ways. Edited March 23, 2017 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, blackbird said: I wouldn't say so. Older, yes. But richer? How do you define richer? Canada's and U.S.'s culture was taken with them when they came to the new world don't forget. We have the best of both the old world and the new world. We have the culture of Europe if you want to call it that or for lack of a better word, and we have the beauty, wealth, geography of the new world. We are better off than Europeans in so many ways. When talking about richer it is referencing to the architecture, old buildings and a culture based on many famous and renowned poets, writers as well as theatres. I am not disputing the beauty of canada and what it lacks in terms of cultural things compared to UK it definitely makes up in other areas. Edited March 23, 2017 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, kactus said: When talking about richer it is referencing to the architecture, old buildings and a culture based on many famous and renowned poets, writers as well as theatres. I am not disputing the beauty of canada and what it lacks in terms of cultural things compared to UK it definitely makes up in other areas. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Revoking citizenship of a convicted terrorist who holds dual citizenship would send a message to other would-be terrorists in the country. Keeping someone in prison in Canada is very costly. If we have a simple way of avoiding that expense that might be over 100,000 dollars a year, it might be worth doing. Many countries in the ME and Africa have so many terrorists that one more wouldn't make any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 16 hours ago, kactus said: I don't mean to drift on this thread but can someone please explain to me what is it about being an american? To me gere is no such a thing as it is made up of europeans, asians and other immigrants with some europeans putting ownership to it. Call me naive but there's no such a thing as american with a history stretching a couple of centuries....Now if we were to say this about european countries that's a different story. The history is rich and old.... So we are not allowed to build a rich history. We are just here to take people in and work our nuts off to pay for it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Argus said: Not if you're born to foreign parents. I don't mean people that just flew in to have a baby, that pisses me off. Edited March 23, 2017 by PIK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benz Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 15 hours ago, blackbird said: Revoking citizenship of a convicted terrorist who holds dual citizenship would send a message to other would-be terrorists in the country. Keeping someone in prison in Canada is very costly. If we have a simple way of avoiding that expense that might be over 100,000 dollars a year, it might be worth doing. Many countries in the ME and Africa have so many terrorists that one more wouldn't make any difference. You are very naive if you think that it would change anything in the mind of a terrorist. Think about it. The guy is ready to commit an horrible crime and deal with all the consequences that go with it. Do you really think that losing its canadian citizenship weigh anything in the balance? Picture this... "I will kill alot of people, I will end up in jail for life, or I will suicide myself, I will be know as a terrorist anywhere on this planet... but at least I will not lose my canadian citizenship, so let's do it. Oh wait, what? Now I can lose that citizenship, ahhh shoot! ok I won't do it then." Is it how you think it will works? What garanty you have the terrorist will be considered terrorist in its native country? Yes in some countries the terrorists will have a really hard time, but in some others not. One thing for sure, the family of a potential terrorist will fear to reveal information to the authorities if it means that it can lead to citizenship revokation. To me, this weigh way more than anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Benz said: You are very naive if you think that it would change anything in the mind of a terrorist. Think about it. The guy is ready to commit an horrible crime and deal with all the consequences that go with it. Do you really think that losing its canadian citizenship weigh anything in the balance? Picture this... "I will kill alot of people, I will end up in jail for life, or I will suicide myself, I will be know as a terrorist anywhere on this planet... but at least I will not lose my canadian citizenship, so let's do it. Oh wait, what? Now I can lose that citizenship, ahhh shoot! ok I won't do it then." Is it how you think it will works? What garanty you have the terrorist will be considered terrorist in its native country? Yes in some countries the terrorists will have a really hard time, but in some others not. One thing for sure, the family of a potential terrorist will fear to reveal information to the authorities if it means that it can lead to citizenship revokation. To me, this weigh way more than anything else. How about after he serves his sentence in Canada, then revoke his Canadian citizenship and send him back to his other country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, PIK said: So we are not allowed to build a rich history. We are just here to take people in and work our nuts off to pay for it? Just saying you want to take an isolationist approach as many of you here are insinuating that Canada is a land for white Christisns only who share same values and culrure thdn maybe you should learn these lessons from some European countries like UK that have far more history in understanding the role non white/ non christian immigrants have played in their society over decades. Something that some racist white nationslists (pardon the language) will never get through their thick skulls.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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