blackbird Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Conservative candidate Steven Blaney said: Do you think a terrorist who swears an Oath of Citizenship and then murders innocent people should be allowed to retain his Canadian citizenship? Well, Liberal Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen thinks so. Indeed, Justin Trudeau and his Liberals want to return Canadian citizenship to Zakaria Amara, a convicted terrorist. I disagree with him. I strongly believe citizenship revocation has to be an option for convicted terrorists holding dual citizenship who have come to our country to kill Canadians. That is why in 2015, our Conservative government passed bill C-24 which allows for the revocation of citizenship for those immigrant citizens who have committed acts of terrorism. Justin Trudeau and his liberals are about to change that. The first duty of any government is to keep its citizens safe, not to seek fame and be adored. --Steven Blaney, MP What do you think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Zakaria Amara has been convicted to life imprisonment. Does it matter if he's a citizen or not? I don't want to deport him back to ie: Saudi Arabia or wherever, so he can do harm there. I'd rather lock him up for life here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 3 hours ago, blackbird said: The first duty of any government is to keep its citizens safe, not to seek fame and be adored. --Steven Blaney, MP Mr Blaney ought to learn a wee bit more about the truth. Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it. -Noam Chomsky Quote I strongly believe citizenship revocation has to be an option for convicted terrorists holding dual citizenship who have come to our country to kill Canadians. He was a young person when he came to Canada. A young person who saw his adopted country engage in an illegal invasion of Afghanistan and then further illegal invasions in Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 He's our problem. If we start stripping citizenship for one crime, rest assured we will find other reasons to do it in due course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I think this reinforces the notion that the Liberals believe Canadian citizenship is a right,not a privilege.Apparently no obligations come with Canadian citizenship either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ironstone said: I think this reinforces the notion that the Liberals believe Canadian citizenship is a right,not a privilege.Apparently no obligations come with Canadian citizenship either. Or perhaps once you become a Canadian citizen, you have certain rights. Everyone has the same obligations to obey the law; if they do not, everyone has the same result - which is jail. We just deported some 60-year-old guy back to a country he's never been to because he wasn't a citizen, but does have a criminal record in Canada. Clearly, citizens are in a different class than Permanent Residents. If we treat citizens the same as Permanent Residents, what's the benefit to being a citizen? Edited March 15, 2017 by dialamah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Did you saw all those "Dutch" citizens rioting in Rotterdam waving Turkish flags and shouting Alluha Akbar. Every one of them should be stripped of their dutch citizenship and deported to Turkey. We grant citizenship far, far too easily in the West, to people who don't deserve it and don't respect it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Yeah, I agree. If he ever does get out of jail, kick him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Argus said: We grant citizenship far, far too easily in the West, to people who don't deserve it and don't respect it. I agree. People who leap on these bandwagons loaded down with racist lies, rank propaganda, the big lie that started this all, the 911 lie, should be stripped of their citizenship and be deported. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 8 hours ago, dialamah said: Or perhaps once you become a Canadian citizen, you have certain rights. Everyone has the same obligations to obey the law; if they do not, everyone has the same result - which is jail. We just deported some 60-year-old guy back to a country he's never been to because he wasn't a citizen, but does have a criminal record in Canada. Clearly, citizens are in a different class than Permanent Residents. If we treat citizens the same as Permanent Residents, what's the benefit to being a citizen? You mean like we do for native americans...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 16 hours ago, hot enough said: Mr Blaney ought to learn a wee bit more about the truth. Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it. -Noam Chomsky He was a young person when he came to Canada. A young person who saw his adopted country engage in an illegal invasion of Afghanistan and then further illegal invasions in Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... . So being young is now an excuse, .... It does show that he was serious about becoming Canadian, when he buys a plane ticket to Afghanistan to fight Canadians OHHH YAAA, bring it on baby........nothing shows loyalty more for your new country than gunning down a few Canadian soldiers, and coming back to suck on the Canadian teat for the rest of his life....life is good.....I'm sure he will be a marvelous addition to the liberal terrorism training cell.....I think i'm going to cry.....wait a minute.....i am having a moment of clarity.....I'll put this douche bag on the flight , no questions asked, in fact i'll escort him the entire trip......He was a terrorist.....end of story.....But that does not matter.....i wonder if it matter to Canadian civilians that had their heads cut off by other other muslim terrorist, who's only crime was being a Canadian, think they got any compassion, think they screamed any less when it was done slowly to induce maximum pain....Some say that is between him and his maker....true enough but that does not mean i have to like it.... Canada will not deport any criminals back to any muslim country due to lack of human rights violations....nor will we ship him out to face charges in muslim countries for the same reason....People don't last long in afghan prisons, or for that matter any muslim prison....because they are the kind and friendly type of prisons........Liberals don't want that on their minds when they go to sleep..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, hot enough said: He was a young person when he came to Canada. A young person who saw his adopted country engage in an illegal invasion of Afghanistan and then further illegal invasions in Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... . I'm not going to defend Canada's military behaviour. But we live in an world of nationalism and an international system build on nation-states. if you choose your loyalty to middle-eastern countries over Canada, then you should not be a Canadian. There should be ZERO dual citizens allowed, absolutely ZERO exceptions. Choose your loyalty, choose it wisely, or else these types of things will occur. If you want to become a Canadian, you should be forced to renounce all other citizenships and swear absolute loyalty to Canada, and if you're a Canadian and want to become a citizen of another country, you should be forced to renounce your Canadian citizenship. And we need to encourage more Canadian nationalism and history from a young age to prevent home-grown terrorism. You can't have pride for your country when you know nothing about it and live within your own ethnic enclaves. Multiculturalism is all well and good and all cultures are welcomed to be practiced, but every single Canadian's first and primary national loyalty should be to Canada. Canadian culture should be considered primary, and all others secondary. If you don't agree to this, do not move to this country. I don't care if this terrorist a$$-hat has his citizenship revoked or not because he will rot in jail. But if you commit terrorism against your own government in defense of a foreign country or nation, I'm perfectly fine with you being stripped of your citizenship because you have committed treason on behalf of a foreign government. They have broken the oath of citizenship. Edited March 15, 2017 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 It's OK Moonlight , i don't want you defending our military either, you might get a rash, or be confused with some one that gives a shit.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 7 hours ago, Argus said: Did you saw all those "Dutch" citizens rioting in Rotterdam waving Turkish flags and shouting Alluha Akbar. Every one of them should be stripped of their dutch citizenship and deported to Turkey. We grant citizenship far, far too easily in the West, to people who don't deserve it and don't respect it. Deported for flag waving? Wow, that's nuts even by your standard. My neighborhood is an immigrant from the US and he has an American flag on a small pole on his patio. Revoke his citizenship and deport him? Brilliant Argus... just brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Geert should be learning the results soon if they count at a normal pace in Holland. As for Canada...I think rather than deportation, you can KEEP your so-called citizenship and instead spend the rest of your terrorist days on Prince of Wales Island. They could perhaps blow-up some rock piles...during the fleeting summer. But, I'd suggest learning to fish from shore. No leaving...or it's the ratatatatataaatttatatatatat...click, click, click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: As for Canada...I think rather than deportation, you can KEEP your so-called citizenship and instead spend the rest of your terrorist days on Prince of Wales Island. ...and like the British criminals sent to Australia, you can build it into a thriving world destination. As global warming opens up the north-west passage, you will be ideally placed to cater to the tourist crowd. Edited March 15, 2017 by ?Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, ?Impact said: ...and like the British criminals sent to Australia, you can build it into a thriving world destination. As global warming opens up the north-west passage, you will be ideally place to cater to the tourist crowd. Eggzactly...mind the kangaroos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 58 minutes ago, dre said: Deported for flag waving? Wow, that's nuts even by your standard. My neighborhood is an immigrant from the US and he has an American flag on a small pole on his patio. Revoke his citizenship and deport him? Brilliant Argus... just brilliant. I'm sorry your command of the English language is so poor that you don't understand basic English, and that you don't pay any attention to the news. These were Turkish immigrants rioting over the Dutch refusing permission for one of Erdogan's stooges to give a political speech to them. And yes, if your American neighbor starts screaming abuse at the government and rioting on behalf of an American government minister then he definitely should be deported back to the country which he clearly owes primary allegiance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: It's OK Moonlight , i don't want you defending our military either, you might get a rash, or be confused with some one that gives a shit.... I don't mean the behaviour of people in the military, i mean our government's use of our military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 22 hours ago, blackbird said: Conservative candidate Steven Blaney said: Do you think a terrorist who swears an Oath of Citizenship and then murders innocent people should be allowed to retain his Canadian citizenship? Well, Liberal Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen thinks so. Indeed, Justin Trudeau and his Liberals want to return Canadian citizenship to Zakaria Amara, a convicted terrorist. I disagree with him. I strongly believe citizenship revocation has to be an option for convicted terrorists holding dual citizenship who have come to our country to kill Canadians. That is why in 2015, our Conservative government passed bill C-24 which allows for the revocation of citizenship for those immigrant citizens who have committed acts of terrorism. Justin Trudeau and his liberals are about to change that. The first duty of any government is to keep its citizens safe, not to seek fame and be adored. --Steven Blaney, MP What do you think? I agree with Steven Blaney. He was a cabinet minister in the Harper government and knows a lot about how the system works. I'm not sure how anybody can argue that Canada should keep someone here when they have been convicted of terrorism and have dual citizenship. It only makes sense to strip them of their Canadian citizenship and send them to the other country they hold citizenship in, instead of spending a hundred thousand dollars a year to keep them in a Canadian prison for 25 years and then having to put them under surveilance at great expense. I think Canada has deported people for far less reason, for instance if they lied on their immigration application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Did he lie on his immigration application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) 23 hours ago, blackbird said: The first duty of any government is to keep its citizens safe, not to seek fame and be adored. --Steven Blaney, MP What do you think? Steven Blaney's only missed the target by 6 decades or so and he also forgot to include governments quests for wealth and power. Most governments including ours have failed horribly in their duty to not put their citizens in the way of some very harmful blowback - with foreign policies that are so misguided and have created so much long-term wide-spread damage that I'm quite certain they will one day be regarded as the worst sort of crime that can be committed against humanity. What I mean specifically is the creation and maintenance of puppet dictatorships, which are simply terrorists that wear a uniform, over other people in their lands. I think the fallout from this is even more toxic to a human society than radiation is to a human being. At he moment I think the never-ending search for more of the same by too many governments will continue to make things worse. Edited March 16, 2017 by eyeball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 23 hours ago, blackbird said: The first duty of any government is to keep its citizens safe, not to seek fame and be adored. --Steven Blaney, MP What do you think? Sounds to me like Steven Blaney, MP, is seeking fame and to be adored. Citizens will be safe as they can be with murdering single/dual/triple/quadruple/multi citizenship holders sitting in prisons for their crimes. In fact citizens will be safer after the murdering scum is released (if ever) by keeping tabs on him ourselves instead of having terrorist-loving foreigners do it for us. Do you trust foreigners to keep us safe? of course not. So why go nuts about his citizenship? Unless, of course, you would rather not even think about him anymore by assuming that since the criminal is booted out of this country we are somehow safer now. Its so much better when we transfer our worrying ex-prisoners to worry some other folks stead of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: There should be ZERO dual citizens allowed, absolutely ZERO exceptions. It worked for a long time, lots of Brits and other whiteys. And it would be working today, had the US/Canadian/UK/... governments not committed those terrorist acts, the illegal invasions of ME and FE nations. It all boils down, or rather, boils up from 9-11, the new "Gulf of Tonkin". New information is soon going to show that it was all a ruse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Peter F said: Did he lie on his immigration application? Did he swear to an oath.....or does that mean nothing, did he sign said oath..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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