overthere Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Canada had a long history of balance in the support in the middle east, and Harper changed to to one of singular support for Israel. Yes, that did cause Canada a loss of standing with Muslim countries, and for the first time ever lost the rotating security council seat. Thanks to Paul Martin. If Harper had his way in the lead-up to the 2008 recession, he would have destroyed this country. He wanted to allow Canadian financial institutions to gamble with their depositors money. LOL. Paul Martin had no **king clue the 2008 recession was coming. In fact, every major Canadian bank did gamble with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: I think the biggest foreign policy blunder Trudeau has made was not cancelling Harper's deal to sell arms to the Saudis. I'm sure it is providing some good jobs but a bit of a black eye for the country. Seriously?? I marvel at just how fuzzyheaded the left is in this country. First, what Canada does and does not do is of little interest to anybody outside our borders. Second, every Western country, including all our major allies, are arms exporters. If Canada has cancelled that vehicle/arms order with Saudi Arabia, there would have been mayhem with many countries falling over themselves to get that deal. They would laugh themselves sick at us if we had cancelled. Even two 'neutral' countries, Sweden and Switzerland, are bigger arms exporters than Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, overthere said: LOL. Paul Martin had no **king clue the 2008 recession was coming. No, and he didn't implement Harper's fool idea for financial market deregulation while he was in opposition. When Harper did come into power however, he did double the government backed insurance money for private mortgage insurers. Thankfully there were enough other protections in the system to protect us from that dumb move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, ?Impact said: No, and he didn't implement Harper's fool idea for financial market deregulation while he was in opposition. When Harper did come into power however, he did double the government backed insurance money for private mortgage insurers. Thankfully there were enough other protections in the system to protect us from that dumb move. Harper's recovery from the '08 recession was the worst post war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Despite the treasonous wishes of right wingers on this forum, Trudeau's trip to the USA was a huge success. He is considered a statesman now as well in international relations, which have already made huge progress from Harper's awfulness on the world stage. http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/7140324-trip-to-trump-a-trudeau-triumph/ Quote Mission accomplished. Justin Trudeau's first face-to-face meeting with Donald Trump at the White House on Monday was a resounding success. Thanks to meticulous planning and a dash of personal charm, the prime minister achieved everything he and Canadians could have hoped for. He established a constructive, respectful and cordial, if not overtly warm, relationship with the erratic new president. Best of all, he won from Trump explicit recognition that the Canadian-American economic connection is vital to both countries and that Canada will be treated differently from Mexico, which could soon be hit with crippling border taxes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Omni said: Trudeau inherited a country who's international image had been hollowed out by nearly a decade of conservative rule under Harper. It will take some work to revive it but JT is getting there. In his year he has done tours to the G20 and Commonwealth summits, the Paris climate summit, hosted the 3 Amigos, greatly improved relations with the US, impressed the G7 members by his performance at that summit in Japan, and showed renewed interest and participation at the UN. How's Trump doing so far? That statement is demonstratearly false. Please note first criteria. http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trending/canada-has-the-worlds-best-reputation-global-survey-shows-1.3155500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Boges said: I suspect Americans aren't familiar with the policies of the Canadian Liberal policies. They just think he's purdy. You might be saying that facetiously but I have friends in NC and that's all they know..or care..about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Millennials in Canada have fallen out of love with Justin Trudeau: Quote Sorry, kids: you've been had. I don't mean to be patronizing — to the extent that I can be patronizing of my own contemporaries — but it appears the millennial fantasy of Liberal exceptionalism when it comes to "the same old politics" in Ottawa is, at last, starting to fade. Thanks, electoral reform. http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/falling-out-of-love-with-trudeau-1.3972771 Older Canadians knew better...."same old Liberals". ..and because it is the same old Liberals, Justin Trudeau was doomed from the outset to repeat the mistakes that the Liberal Party of Canada is famous for. Trudeau cannot escape this fate...even if he wanted to. Edited February 15, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Despite the treasonous wishes of right wingers on this forum, Trudeau's trip to the USA was a huge success. He is considered a statesman now as well in international relations, which have already made huge progress from Harper's awfulness on the world stage. http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/7140324-trip-to-trump-a-trudeau-triumph/ Yeah. Joe really made an impact. Quite the statesman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Yeah. Joe really made an impact. Quite the statesman. Bibi arrived...there was much pomp. You can see these two are buds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Is Justin Trudeau the worst Canadian prime minister since his father, Pierre Trudeau ? Trudeau the First and Trudeau the Second are now competing for history's prize of worst Canadian PM in recent memory, with a rapid fall from grace after several missteps and broken campaign promises. Then there was his expressed loved for a deceased dictator and murderer of thousands in Cuba. But I am getting ahead of myself.....let's go back to the beginning: It's only been 17 months, but has Justin Trudeau already started down the path of his legacy and curse ? The rising debt....ethics scandals....broken promises...Canada has seen all of this before from the "natural ruling party of Canada". Justin Trudeau's honeymoon is long over, and more selfies will not reverse plummeting poll numbers and growing criticism. More Trudeau refugees can't vote in Canada...yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 So does he tie with GW or are they even? Oh yeah I forgot Cheney was GW partner two for the price for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 37 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Bibi arrived...there was much pomp. You can see these two are buds. Partners in crime often are I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Topaz said: So does he tie with GW or are they even? Oh yeah I forgot Cheney was GW partner two for the price for one. ??? Has nothing to do with U.S. presidents. Canadians prime ministers can perform very poorly by just Canadian standards. Justin Trudeau is well on his way to another epic Liberal ruling party grind...to failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ??? Has nothing to do with U.S. presidents. Canadians prime ministers can perform very poorly by just Canadian standards. Justin Trudeau is well on his way to another epic Liberal ruling party grind...to failure. His approval ratings will have to drop a hell of a lot for that to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Quote Four in ten (40%) Americans ‘agree’ (26% strongly/14% somewhat) that they’d prefer to have Justin Trudeau as their President over Donald Trump, according to a new Ipsos poll of Americans, conducted for Global News in Canada. Conversely, one in three (33%) ‘disagree’ (24% strongly/9% somewhat) that they’d rather have Canada’s Prime Minister as their president, while 27% don’t know enough to have an opinion either way. http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=7568 Trudeau is more popular than Trump in the USA... they would rather have a super liberal foreigner for president than the guy they just voted for and are supposed to be within the honeymoon period!! Trudeau's international reputation is the stuff of wet-dreams for past PMs and other world leaders. With this type of reputation, it's rather silly and premature to call him a failed PM. I suspect this OP was done in retaliation (or maybe to provided some "balance") to the coverage and bashing poor Trump is getting from members of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 A majority of Americans have no idea who Justin Trudeau is or care that they don't know. Polled Americans will do nothing for Trudeau and his party's troubles at the federal and provincial levels. Trudeau is being bashed by Canadians more than ever, and rightly so. He has been credibly labeled a liar by many Canadians after breaking campaign promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Junior may be a certified lightweight, and falling somewhat from grace, but the old man was exceedingly dangerous as he actually DID things that screwed up Canada for decades. The kid is just a reflection of Liberal and liberal in all senses, but it was his Father who shifted Liberal politics WAAAAYYYYY over to the left (helps if one recalls he was a card carrying Communist during his days at the Sorbonne). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, cannuck said: Junior may be a certified lightweight, and falling somewhat from grace, but the old man was exceedingly dangerous as he actually DID things that screwed up Canada for decades. The kid is just a reflection of Liberal and liberal in all senses, but it was his Father who shifted Liberal politics WAAAAYYYYY over to the left (helps if one recalls he was a card carrying Communist during his days at the Sorbonne). Indeed, as Canadians were reminded of this when Justin Trudeau praised a dead Cuban dictator, something he had to walk back quickly. I remember the elder Trudeau's communist leanings well, and he enjoyed baiting U.S. presidents just that way. This Trudeau has gone so far as to proclaim Canada to be "the world's first postnational state".....declaring that Canadians now have no "core identity". That will sure win a lot of votes....from immigrants and refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: communist leanings Is that like having your election campaign coordinate with Russia, and then undermine the previous administration while they are still in office? There is more red than the tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Harper had turned the largest surplus into the largest deficit and expanded the debt, Trudeau inherited a broke economy so now must spend money to try to get out of the broken economy of Harper. Harper had one majority government, and that was all it took, 1 term to boot him from office, worse leader ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Is that like having your election campaign coordinate with Russia, and then undermine the previous administration while they are still in office? There is more red than the tie. The Trudeau legacy is filled with communist leanings and worship. This Trudeau will find it more difficult since there are fewer communist states around these days, including the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 FYI - please use appropriate names for political leaders, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: A majority of Americans have no idea who Justin Trudeau is or care that they don't know. Polled Americans will do nothing for Trudeau and his party's troubles at the federal and provincial levels. Trudeau is being bashed by Canadians more than ever, and rightly so. He has been credibly labeled a liar by many Canadians after breaking campaign promises. So you are celebrating American ignorance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Americans don't care if Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister since Pierre Trudeau....but some Canadians sure do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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