Canadian Muslims demanding end to free speech / Canada's Anti-Islamophobia Committee will begin meetings next month

[Argus]

If it says anything bad about Islam

M-103 asks for a study to determine “a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia.” Though singled out for special consideration, it is noteworthy that the motion does not define Islamophobia.

What I fear is that MP Iqra Khalid, who tabled M-103, may understand Islamophobia to mean what its original promoters, the 56 Muslim-majority bloc of the United Nations known as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), say it means. The OIC wants to see the Cairo Declaration on Human rights become the template for Islamophobia policies everywhere. The Cairo Declaration asserts the superiority of Islam and defines freedom of speech according to Shariah law, which considers any criticism of Muhammad blasphemy.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/barbara-kay-how-long-until-my-honest-criticism-of-islamism-constitutes-a-speech-crime-in-canada

Edited April 17, 2017 by Charles Anthony
added tag; threads merged

[PIK]

This something a lot of us have said. Give them a inch they will take a mile. Slowly taking over because of the left and how they govern with thier emotions. It is time to cut the numbers of muslims coming here and get back to more europeans and christians before this country goes up in smoke. Are we just going continue to bring them in year after year. Time for these people to stand up and fight for thier own country instead of going to canada to be looked after, or otherwise in 10-15 yrs and with our charter of rights, they will be running the country. The new immigration minister will be the one that replaces trudeau at the helm of the liberal party, Just mark my words.

[DogOnPorch]

It will be expected of the Infidel to accept a certain amount of casualties on their part as a result of Islam's push for domination. This is not an issue for both Islam and our politicians.

[The_Squid]

Where is a Canadian Muslim demanding to end free speech?   Maybe you linked to the wrong story...  or maybe you meant to provide another link...

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Where is a Canadian Muslim demanding to end free speech?   Maybe you linked to the wrong story...  or maybe you meant to provide another link...

Her picture was right there with the story.

[dialamah]

What if the bill read:  " “a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including anti-Semitism.”  Would you start a topic called "Jews Demanding End to Free Speech"?

[?Impact]

Just now, dialamah said:

What if the bill read:  " “a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including anti-Semitism.”  Would you start a topic called "Jews Demanding End to Free Speech"?

Just turn the clock back a few years and look up the Ottawa protocol, Harper did basically that.

[Argus]

Just now, dialamah said:

What if the bill read:  " “a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including anti-Semitism.”  Would you start a topic called "Jews Demanding End to Free Speech"?

That would depend on who initiated it and the background behind it. It is interesting, however, that while most hate crimes and speech are commited against Jews, this instead mentions Muslims.

[DogOnPorch]

Speaking ill of Allah and/or Mohammad is specifically forbidden by the Quran: thus the need for blasphemy laws aimed at the Infidel.The Infidel MUST learn his/her place.

"Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment."

As well, Infidels speaking ill of Muslims is also forbidden...

"And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin."

And ladies...COVER-UP!

"O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."

https://quran.com/33/57

 

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

Just turn the clock back a few years and look up the Ottawa protocol, Harper did basically that.

Excellent, then Argus should be able to link to a post where he disagreed with it on the basis of 'eliminating free speech'.   

[The_Squid]

28 minutes ago, Argus said:

Her picture was right there with the story.

You haven't explained how this person wants to eliminate free speech.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh please: this is a preamble to a theological witch-hunt. And by golly, they'll find some witches...anywhere.

[dialamah]

23 minutes ago, Argus said:

That would depend on who initiated it and the background behind it. It is interesting, however, that while most hate crimes and speech are commited against Jews, this instead mentions Muslims.

 

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Really?  So if a Jew proposed examining anti-Semitism to fight against it in Canada, you'd object to that?

By the way, anti-Islamic rhetoric and crime has been growing in Canada over the past few years, culminating in the killing of six Muslims in Quebec.  Did you hear about that?   

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/land-of-intolerance/

http://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/

https://www.facebook.com/BanIslamInCanada/  (No similar group for Jews)

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/10/04/good-news-anti-muslim-backlash-is-growing-in-canada/  - read some of the comments on this site.  An example:

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 I am getting very fed up with these f’n moslem invaders. In Newfoundland you would only rarely see those filthy animals. But thanks to Trueadu you cant go to a store without seeing the filth. I was in a store and I was looking at the terrorist, his ‘woman’ in a sheet and its two little terrorists, it noticed me looking at them and yelled something at me in the sand n!gger language. I kind of lost it and started yelling that they were human excrement and to go back to the desert where they belong. 

 

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But hey, let's not even look at that because it means that Muslims are demanding an end to free speech.  SMH

 

BTW, the above is not in any way intended to reduce or trivialize the problem of anti-Semitism in Canada.  Both should be equally scorned.

Edited February 8, 2017 by dialamah

[Argus]

19 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

You haven't explained how this person wants to eliminate free speech.

She seems to want to take us in the same direction as Europe, where such laws have been imposed to defend people from being offended or insulted by unflattering opinions of Islam.

And btw, like almost all well-meaning, but stupid progressive policies, all these laws have actually succeeded in doing is embolden Muslim extremism and helped grow the far right.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Argus

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Just turn the clock back a few years and look up the Ottawa protocol, Harper did basically that.

There is no relationship between the two. Just as there is no relationship between anti-antisemitism and the made-up word Islamophobia.

How often have you heard 'antisemitism' about Jews which truthfully referred to their religious texts, what their religious leaders and scholars say, and their proven violence against the people around them? Virtually never. Usually the antisemitic comments are about crap like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or blood libel or other insidious things like Jewish bankers ruling the world.

What the progressive Left usually refers to as Islamophobia are people saying truthful things about Islamic texts and the values and beliefs which are enshrined within and taught and believed by the majority of the world's Muslims. In other words, what they want to ban is legitimate criticism of political Islam, its ambitions and laws and intolerance.

[Goddess]

Hmmm....a law on the books banning "Islamophobia" with no definition as to what that would entail.

What could go wrong?

[betsy]

Take a look at this.

 

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Canada on the Brink of Incorporating Islamic Speech Codes

The Government of Canada is proceeding at breakneck pace to address unproven increases in instances of “Islamophobia” while calling for countering unsubstantiated charges of “systemic racism and religious discrimination”.

 

This issue was originally tabled in Parliament in the form of a House of Commons “E” petition (e-411) by Thomas Mulcair, the leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada. The petition called for the condemnation of “all forms of Islamophobia” and received UNANIMOUS consent by Canadian Members of Parliament on 26 October, 2016.

 

This was followed in rapid-fire fashion by a second motion sponsored by Iqra Khalid, Member of Parliament from Mississauga Erin-Mills. The first initiative proceeded with little public input and scant interest displayed by the media at-large. The second motion was tabled on 01 December, 2016 and, incredibly, called for the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage to produce related findings and recommendations within 240 calendar days of the motion’s acceptance. It is anticipated that legislative remedies will be front and center in the Committee’s efforts.

 

Given the current Government’s stated goal of obtaining a seat at the United Nations Security Council, pressures from within and outside the country from powerful Islamic lobby groups, and the Canadian Government’s demonstrated proclivity to advance the “Islamophobia” initiative with undue haste and in the absence of evidence, there is a real risk that the fundamental right to free speech by all Canadians will be unnecessarily curtailed to accommodate the sensibilities of a special interest group. The risk being what it is, I wrote the paper linked to below to go beyond emotional argumentation and place the anti-Islamophobia initiative within a framework of accepted Islamic doctrine, a doctrine that in many respects is antithetical to Western concepts of liberty and free speech. The paper concludes with an email link to a related petition that can be viewed directly here.

 

A Letter to All Canadian Members of Parliament – Choosing Free Speech in the Face of Allegations of Islamophobia. [pdf]

 

Major (Ret’d) Russ Cooper
Canada

 

http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/01/canada-on-the-brink-of-incorporating-islamic-speech-codes/

 

Mulcair was bragging about that on tv.

Edited February 8, 2017 by betsy

[Omni]

32 minutes ago, Argus said:

There is no relationship between the two. Just as there is no relationship between anti-antisemitism and the made-up word Islamophobia.

How often have you heard 'antisemitism' about Jews which truthfully referred to their religious texts, what their religious leaders and scholars say, and their proven violence against the people around them? Virtually never. Usually the antisemitic comments are about crap like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or blood libel or other insidious things like Jewish bankers ruling the world.

What the progressive Left usually refers to as Islamophobia are people saying truthful things about Islamic texts and the values and beliefs which are enshrined within and taught and believed by the majority of the world's Muslims. In other words, what they want to ban is legitimate criticism of political Islam, its ambitions and laws and intolerance.

So I guess then we should keep a sharp focus on attempting to interpret the Quran and make it as violent as possible , but just turn a blind eye as Israel bombs the hell out of Palestinian civilians?

[betsy]

Related document:

 

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e-411 (Islam)

42nd Parliament

Initiated by Samer Majzoub from Pierrefonds, Quebec, on June 8, 2016, at 5:45 p.m. (EDT)

 

 

Whereas:

• Islam is a religion of over 1.5 billion people worldwide. Since its founding more than 1400 years ago, Muslims have contributed, and continue to contribute, to the positive development of human civilization. This encompasses all areas of human endeavors including the arts, culture, science, medicine, literature, and much more;
• Recently an infinitesimally small number of extremist individuals have conducted terrorist activities while claiming to speak for the religion of Islam. Their actions have been used as a pretext for a notable rise of anti-Muslim sentiments in Canada; and
• These violent individuals do not reflect in any way the values or the teachings of the religion of Islam. In fact, they misrepresent the religion. We categorically reject all their activities. They in no way represent the religion, the beliefs and the desire of Muslims to co-exist in peace with all peoples of the world.
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We, the undersigned, Citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the House of Commons to join us in recognizing that extremist individuals do not represent the religion of Islam, and in condemning all forms of Islamophobia.

 

https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-411

Edited February 8, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

Did anyone see this reported on CBC or CTV?  I only heard about it from someone who read it on facebook.

 

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The Canadian anti-Islamophobia motion resembles a kind of blasphemy law in favor of one preferred religion above all others in Canada; one may be persecuted for expressing any criticism of Islam even when warranted. Yet despite its ominous implications, the anti-Islamophobia motion received little media attention.

Interestingly, that includes the leftist media; and the Huffington Post article expressed its disapproval:

Canadians can’t be blamed for missing the anti-Islamophobia motion that passed in parliament last week. If you Google it, you won’t get a single hit in mainstream media: not in CBC, not in Postmedia, not in the Globe and Mail, nowhere.

In fact, when this piece is published, it may be the first media piece talking about Canada’s successful anti-Islamophobia motion.

 

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/canadian-parliament-passes-anti-islamophobia-motion

[The_Squid]

We already have blasphemy laws in Canada...  they just aren't enforced because they would never stand a Constitutional challenge.

[Goddess]

16 minutes ago, betsy said:

The Government of Canada is proceeding at breakneck pace to address unproven increases in instances of “Islamophobia” while calling for countering unsubstantiated charges of “systemic racism and religious discrimination”.

This part is of concern to me.

There was a just a rash of Muslims claiming to have been assaulted and screamed at that turned out to be liars.....I suspect that some (certainly not all ) of the cases of graffiti and vandalism may also be done by Muslims to push forth this agenda.

[dialamah]

From the article:

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Words matter.

Yes they do matter, so let's look at some of the words in this article. 

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House will likely vote unanimously for Motion 103, which is potentially a retrograde step for freedom of speech in Canada, at least insofar as it concerns “Islamophobia.”

 

This sentence tells us that there will be a vote on a proposed action that the author expects will pass; the author then speculates on what might happen.   Note that this is a proposal for an action and not a law.  

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M-103 asks for a study to determine “a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia.” Though singled out for special consideration, it is noteworthy that the motion does not define Islamophobia.

 

 

This sentence tells us that there isn't a demand from "Muslims", but a member of parliament who has asked for a study related to racism and religious discrimination, including Islamaphobia.  

The author seems to expect a definition of Islamaphobia within the motion, although gives no reason why such a definition should be included within the motion itself.  It seems logical to me that were a study to be undertaken, defining Islamaphobia would be among its first steps.

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What I fear is that MP Iqra Khalid, who tabled M-103, may understand Islamophobia to mean what its original promoters, the 56 Muslim-majority bloc of the United Nations known as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), say it means. 

 

Here we find out that the author is afraid that the proposer might subscribe to a certain definition of Islamaphobia.   Does Ms Khalid subscribe to that definition?  Who knows?    I certainly could not find any indication of such, but I did find plenty of alt-right sites who claimed a lot of stuff about Ms. Khalid based on the flimsiest of evidence.   Kind of like this article.

So, I got this far but noticing all the words that suggest this is an alternative fact in the making, skipped the rest.

Words do have meanings. 

 

 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Omni said:

So I guess then we should keep a sharp focus on attempting to interpret the Quran and make it as violent as possible , but just turn a blind eye as Israel bombs the hell out of Palestinian civilians?

What has Israel got to do with antisemitism towards Jews? Your relating them shows the problem Social Justice Warriors have in keeping their opinions on Jews separate from their loathing for the state of Israel.

BTW, Syria apparently executed over 13,000 people last year at one prison. I believe that's more than in both first and second intifadas combined as well as the Israelis Gaza fight. But never mind, we've GOT to condemn those dirty Israelis!

As for 'attempting to interpret the Quran to make it as violent as possible' all that requires is actually reading from it. Or you could simply look at the Muslim world and that will give you a pretty good idea.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Argus

[GostHacked]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

What has Israel got to do with antisemitism towards Jews? Your relating them shows the problem Social Justice Warriors have in keeping their opinions on Jews separate from their loathing for the state of Israel.

BTW, Syria apparently executed over 13,000 people last year at one prison. But never mind, we've GOT to condemn those dirty Israelis!

A drop in the bucket considering the numbers of dead for this whole conflict so far is estimated at over half a million. How much can be attributed to the Syrian government, US/NATO air strikes and ground battles, and Russian air strikes and ground battles?

And before some get their panties in a bunch, if the allegations of the deaths in the prison are true, I condemn it.