DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, kactus said: Well stated...The 1953 coup by CIA and british intelligence was to do with Dr Mossadegh wanting to nationalise the oil which didn't go well with brits and fabricated news has been spreading about him promoting communism.... USSR?? What USSR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: USSR?? What USSR? Drifting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 hours ago, kactus said: Drifting.... You outright ignore that the USSR existed and that it was also DEEPLY involved in Iran. You ignore that 1953 was right at the height of the Cold War. The McCarthy Era was in full swing. Mossadeq needed the Tudeh Party (Communist Party of Iran) to win his 'democratic election'. Steeling (you call it nationalizing) the UK's oil rigs was cruisin' for a bruisin'. Things worked out pretty well for Iran despite its actions. They didn't get the Korea/Viet-Nam treatment. No...Iran flourished and the only people upset where the Mullahs, their pals...and you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 5 hours ago, eyeball said: I'm simply saying that inflicting a dictatorship on another people is a despicably evil thing to do. When a powerful nation does it to a weaker nation it's like an adult savagely assaulting a child. When a super-power that regards itself as a Shining Beacon of democracy, freedom and liberty does it, it's all the more despicable and evil. Now surely you realize how much worse it looks when a priest, a Shining Beacon of a very similar sort, savagely and repeatedly rapes children right? It really is quite simple, but I guess it's no wonder why you don't want to get your head around this. There's usually a lot of denial when the Shining Beacons people invest their faith in are found to be monsters as well. You are equating the US to a rapey priest? Get help dude.Same to the person who up voted that ridiculous comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 5 hours ago, kactus said: The issue is Trump signing the EO holding a 90 day ban not on only on refugees but also on GREEN CARD HOLDERS and CITIZENS from those 7 countries. Because the CIA indicates they cannot be properly vetted. Those countries don't have the infrastructure to fully comply, and the quality of intel they provide is substandard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 6 hours ago, kactus said: What you advocate and what Trump has done are two different things.... "Current CIA Director" means, not the ex appointed under Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: "Current CIA Director" means, not the ex appointed under Obama. On one hand you guys blame Obama's administration in the past for the current f&ck up by Trump on banning muslims and now you are saying the ex head of CIA wasn't right to admonish Trump! Cannot have it both ways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, kactus said: On one hand you guys blame Obama's administration in the past for the current f&ck up by Trump on banning muslims and now you are saying the ex head of CIA wasn't right to admonish Trump! Cannot have it both ways... It's about filtering out the truth vs. politics. Politics is getting in the way of doing what's right. And the media is giving you sound bites with only 1/2 the real story, so that leftists fly off the handle, lose it, start typing posts in dots, for example. Here's a great example- you have heard that several hundred illegal immigrants have been rounded up this weekend for deportation. The majority of them were criminals, for crimes worse than simple having a fake social insurance number. They should be deported, without question. But a few were not criminals. In one news story there's a nice lady who has been deported after living in the US for decades. She was detained on Thursday. They showed her on the news saying "I don't consider myself a criminal..." Turns out the deportation order was signed by Obama in 2013. All leftists have done is to politicize the very work their former government was already actively involved in. Cannot have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 6 hours ago, kactus said: Well stated...The 1953 coup by CIA and british intelligence was to do with Dr Mossadegh wanting to nationalise the oil which didn't go well with brits and fabricated news has been spreading about him promoting communism.... Even if he did promote communism what we did was still just as irredeemably wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: You outright ignore that the USSR existed and that it was also DEEPLY involved in Iran. You ignore that 1953 was right at the height of the Cold War. The McCarthy Era was in full swing. Mossadeq needed the Tudeh Party (Communist Party of Iran) to win his 'democratic election'. Steeling (you call it nationalizing) the UK's oil rigs was cruisin' for a bruisin'. Things worked out pretty well for Iran despite its actions. They didn't get the Korea/Viet-Nam treatment. No...Iran flourished and the only people upset where the Mullahs, their pals...and you. America should go plead its case with the international criminal court. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, drummindiver said: You are equating the US to a rapey priest? Actually a lot worse than that, and I'm equating you with an enabler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Even if he did promote communism what we did was still just as irredeemably wrong. What the USA did was assist like-minded Iranians in their coup against the 'democratically elected' Mossadeq and his Communist Pro-Soviet Tudeh allies. It worked. Just now, eyeball said: America should go plead its case with the international criminal court. No need. The alt-history has already been written and apologized for. Now the 1953 Coup is an entirely an American affair. Not a single Iranian was involved. Just cowboy-like James Bond types hiding behind curtains who were Islamophobes decades ahead of the times. The poor innocent Iranians were just minding their own business pumping their Iranian oil on Iranian rigs they found in the desert when....BAM....along comes the evil USA. Sound about right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, eyeball said: Actually a lot worse than that, and I'm equating you with an enabler. Wow. You've just accused me of being someone who would help a priest rape a child. I would be banned for such offensive vitriol, and rightly so, but you will go on spewing this with the grace of the powers that be. The Iranians enjoyed freedoms and prosperity that were unheard of in that region. Your narrative of Evil Empire rings false for all but the most dedicated American bigots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 2017-02-02 at 6:27 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said: First educate yourself. The Missile tests are DEFENSIVE A missile designed to hit targets 1,000 kilometers away is not 'defensive'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 2017-02-02 at 5:18 PM, RedBack said: Old rivals. Tehran does its best in the Middle East to pursue its interests and Washington doesn't like it at all. Here come the tensions in the region, the nuclear weapons developing accusations etc. There is no secret that Iran has been doing its best to develop nuclear weapons, nor does it deny doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) On 2017-02-03 at 2:33 PM, kactus said: America is built by immigrants...it thrives on the success of individuals and groups tha it is absurd for people to claim ownership. Everyone is immigrant in US...It doesn't matter if you're english, french, dutch, irish, iranian, italian, jew, and and and.... Twaddle. Everyone is an immigrant all over the world. The US belongs to those who live there, not to those who want to live there. As such, it has a perfect right to ban anyone from entering that the don't want or like, for any reason whatever. Edited February 12, 2017 by Argus 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: There is no secret that Iran has been doing its best to develop nuclear weapons, nor does it deny doing so. Apparently you are not aware that Islam is a Religion of Peace, and these nuclear warheads are for entirely peaceful purposes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Argus said: A missile designed to hit targets 1,000 kilometers away is not 'defensive'. They will be used ONLY if the target country attacks Iran first. So that is why they are defensive to deter such an attack and the target country has a history of attacking the defenseless as why they haven't attack Iran because Iran has DEFENSIVE missiles. And Iran has never attacked any other country in hundreds of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: They will be used ONLY if the target country attacks Iran first. So that is why they are defensive to deter such an attack and the target country has a history of attacking the defenseless Israel has never attacked a defenseless country. Israel's only foreign policy interest over the last 70 odd years, so far as I can see, has been self-protection. Bear in mind Israel and Iran do not share a border of any kind. The only reason for hostility between them is Iran's relentless threats to destroy Israel, combined with their funding and arming of terrorist groups which attack Israel. If Iran would stop these things Israel would pay no attention to them whatsoever. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, drummindiver said: Wow. You've just accused me of being someone who would help a priest rape a child. I would be banned for such offensive vitriol, and rightly so, but you will go on spewing this with the grace of the powers that be. The Iranians enjoyed freedoms and prosperity that were unheard of in that region. Your narrative of Evil Empire rings false for all but the most dedicated American bigots. The Iranians had their finger nails torn out and boiling water pumped up their rectums. That's what America enabled when they installed the Shah. This is worse than what priests did to children and it's what you're busily and apparently quite happily defending. You should be deeply ashamed of this but you're not so yeah...you are what you are I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: You outright ignore that the USSR existed and that it was also DEEPLY involved in Iran. You ignore that 1953 was right at the height of the Cold War. The McCarthy Era was in full swing. Mossadeq needed the Tudeh Party (Communist Party of Iran) to win his 'democratic election'. Steeling (you call it nationalizing) the UK's oil rigs was cruisin' for a bruisin'. Things worked out pretty well for Iran despite its actions. They didn't get the Korea/Viet-Nam treatment. No...Iran flourished and the only people upset where the Mullahs, their pals...and you. Since you are a fan of history, you know the CIA's involvement with the Iran Coup attempt some decades ago. That would be a good partial explanation as to the why. I mean you seems to know who and why for everything else, but fail to mention that here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: Israel has never attacked a defenseless country. Israel's only foreign policy interest over the last 70 odd years, so far as I can see, has been self-protection. Bear in mind Israel and Iran do not share a border of any kind. The only reason for hostility between them is Iran's relentless threats to destroy Israel, combined with their funding and arming of terrorist groups which attack Israel. If Iran would stop these things Israel would pay no attention to them whatsoever. If Lebanon, Jordan and Syria had a whole bunch of destructive missiles to hit and destroy the heart of Tel Avis they would have never been so frequently attacked and their defenseless people bombarded and its many civilians killed. You may say it was because of terrorist attacks against Israel and I say then kill those terrorists not the innocent defenseless women and children who are the victims of terrorists themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Since you are a fan of history, you know the CIA's involvement with the Iran Coup attempt some decades ago. That would be a good partial explanation as to the why. I mean you seems to know who and why for everything else, but fail to mention that here. Yes it was a decade ago and that victim nation is STILL paying a very high price for that action decades later and likely will for more decades to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Since you are a fan of history, you know the CIA's involvement with the Iran Coup attempt some decades ago. That would be a good partial explanation as to the why. I mean you seems to know who and why for everything else, but fail to mention that here. It's like he's supportive of the coup, even proud of it but ashamed at the same time. The real mystery is why America can't use the same argument - that communism forced us to do it. This should be in the preamble of every foreign policy that's designed to preserve our values. It's like the old argument that we had to destroy a village to save it, we had no choice but to subject people to some of the most horrible torturers on the planet to prevent them from being subjected to tyranny. Why can't America do this if it's the truth? Edited February 12, 2017 by eyeball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's like he's supportive of the coup, even proud of it but ashamed at the same time. The real mystery is why America can't use the same argument - that communism forced us to do it. This should be in the preamble of every foreign policy that's designed to preserve our values. It's like the old argument that we had to destroy a village to save it, we had no choice but to subject people to some of the most horrible torturers on the planet to prevent them from being subjected to tyranny. Why can't America do this if it's the truth? People don't want the truth. They want to stay in their little comfortable bubble and ignore the problems of the world. Self centered mentality, the divide and conquer tactics of social constructs (like the plethora of dumb pronouns) via feel good campaigns of safe spaces and no child left behind. Feeling entitled to everything and anything. And when they don't get their way one time, they cry like babies. The truth can and is very frighting in most cases. Feeble minds cannot handle their world views being shattered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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