bush_cheney2004 Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: I encourage you to disagree with my posts. I'm not trolling you, I'm discussing with you - respond or don't. The relevance of my posts is proven by your continued responses, as I said. If you disparage my opinions (my positive opinions on Americans mind you) by saying I'm not allowed to respond because I'm not American then that calls into question your presence here, and it is trolling IMHO. Well, guess what...you are wrong. Nobody here has stated that you can't respond. That is from your imagination. Obviously you have responded here and with trolling PMs. My posts simply state that your opinions are irrelevant in the matter of President Trump for all practical purposes, deranged or not. ... Edited February 2, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: How about adding the border tax for China and Mexico ? How about having Mexico pay for the wall. Of course, true believers will never be swayed. Yeah that's a couple, but results are results and he has an awful lot checked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 19 hours ago, segnosaur said: Well, Trump has said some pretty offensive things both during the campaign and after.. racists and sexist comments, etc. And Vladimir Putin has murdered people. Which is worse? 19 hours ago, segnosaur said: And, many of his policies are quite... disturbing to many. Are they worse than the policies China, Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia have? 19 hours ago, segnosaur said: (Appointing anti-abortionists to the Supreme court may end up stripping abortion rights away from millions of people for example. Not my problem, nor yours. And whether there is abortion or not in the US is up to the American voters. If they want it, and polls suggest they do, they can get off their asses and get out and vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 20 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I suspect that ordinary Americans left ordinary Americans. When we hear that those who supported Trump came from ravaged Middle America, people unable to find work, fallen into health problems and addictions it sounds to me that the economic losers that previously appealed to socialists have found a new hero. It's a political 'flip' that most haven't caught onto. The people who supported Clinton that I know are successful, hard working, Globally minded and optimistic. That's American to me. I thought that tired and incorrect meme had been buried already? Trump got over 60 million votes. Did you think there are that many 'economic losers' that vote for him? The 'losers' you speak of, in fract, rarely vote at ll. Trump actually drew support from all across the political and economic spectrum, and that does worry the shit out of both parties. And so it should. The politlcian most like Trump in this regard was not even a Republican- it was Bernie Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 5 hours ago, blueblood said: Yeah that's a couple, but results are results and he has an awful lot checked off. I don't think anything he has done could be called a 'result' with the notable exception of being the first politician in recent memory to apparently make popular promises and keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Signing big pieces of paper is not delivering on a promise, only results matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, overthere said: Trump got over 60 million votes. Did you think there are that many 'economic losers' that vote for him? The 'losers' you speak of, in fract, rarely vote at ll. Yes. They turned the tide. Rust belt states and his message of factory jobs. Did I miss something ? Did he win in Chicago, NY, LA and other economic centres of victory ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: So the US is mostly left-wing then. Nice try. I think there's a little bias in your soup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes. They turned the tide. Rust belt states and his message of factory jobs. Did I miss something ? Did he win in Chicago, NY, LA and other economic centres of victory ? No but he got the economic centres... of failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: No but he got the economic centres... of failure. Right...so did President Obama. When those states vote for Democrats, they are smart, educated voters...when they vote for Trump/Republicans, they are dumb, uneducated voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 30 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Nice try. I think there's a little bias in your soup. Last I heard, approval for the current president was under 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: No but he got the economic centres... of failure. Right, the economic losers. We have come full circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Last I heard, approval for the current president was under 50%. Polls cannot be trusted when it comes to Trump. Look how wrong they were leading up the election. Some analysts said there's a shame factor that comes into play when people are asked about their support for the Donald. Polls are only answered by a specific type of person. This especially applies if it is and internet based poll. This is what I mean by a bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 13 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Polls cannot be trusted when it comes to Trump. Look how wrong they were leading up the election. They weren't wrong. They had him down by a few %, and the end results were well within the plus/minus error rate for polls, especially bearing in mind that Trump's supporters were much more enthusiastic, and more likely to vote, than Clinton's supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Argus said: They weren't wrong. They had him down by a few %, and the end results were well within the plus/minus error rate for polls, especially bearing in mind that Trump's supporters were much more enthusiastic, and more likely to vote, than Clinton's supporters. I remember it being down by like 12%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: I remember it being down by like 12%. At one point he was way back, until the FBI reopened their investigation into Clinton's email after finding some emails on her assistant's laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I remember it being down by like 12%. Trump was loosing by double digits at one point. And he was also leading at one point. The thing is, those polls were taken in the middle of the election campaign, as events were unfolding that would impact how people would vote. Polls taken at the end of the campaign were within 1-2% points of the final election results, well within the margin of error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cum Laude Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 20 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Polls cannot be trusted when it comes to Trump. Look how wrong they were leading up the election. Some analysts said there's a shame factor that comes into play when people are asked about their support for the Donald. Polls are only answered by a specific type of person. This especially applies if it is and internet based poll. This is what I mean by a bias. What we’re witnessing is the end of the feigning even of Democracy. They have allowed Trump to become POTUS so it can be pinned on him, but it’s what they want. Full Spectrum Dominance cannot even feign Democracy to be fully effective. Frank Zappa said: The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater. I think we’ve reached that point. Frank was prescient. So too am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, segnosaur said: Trump was loosing by double digits at one point. And he was also leading at one point. The thing is, those polls were taken in the middle of the election campaign, as events were unfolding that would impact how people would vote. Polls taken at the end of the campaign were within 1-2% points of the final election results, well within the margin of error. Then the liberal jaw should not have hit the floor so damn hard. Van Jones needed to be put in a padded room to calm down. He had experienced full frontal derangement syndrome. Edited February 4, 2017 by OftenWrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just like the Republicans who were fluttering their hand fans when Obama got elected (twice) and actually caused gun sales to spike because that uppity Kenyan was going to take them away. These things pass. This president may pass more quickly than others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/02/the-leaks-coming-out-of-the-trump-white-house-right-now-are-totally-bananas/?utm_term=.4e21f2685309 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Fox is having trouble keeping the coverage positive, I think: http://www.foxnews.com/ They still have to cover the Army secretary / NHL team owner guy withdrawing, and the judge halting the immigration ban.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) On 2/1/2017 at 6:20 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump was not elected to keep foreign nationals happy, and that includes Canadians. Sorry.... Key point - that so many foreigners (and even many Americans) don't understand. ===== As a foreigner (non-American), it took me some time to understand that many Americans voted for Trump because of immigration. It took me far more time to understand that Trump (like many Europeans but unlike most Americans) is shameless. Donald Trump is like an elderly German nudist in a spa: The American coastal, cool Hollywood PC "Liberal" left cannot shame him. Edited February 5, 2017 by August1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 12 hours ago, August1991 said: The American coastal, cool Hollywood PC "Liberal" left cannot shame him. Of course not, but when will the centre/right start to try ? Shame is actually an virtue to those who have a conscience. Last night he made the remarkable statement that America is "not so innocent" apparently. When will his random gaffes offend his base ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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