UN Resolution 2334 to block Israeli settlements.

[Canadianjim]

24 minutes ago, Argus said:

Israel commits human rights abuses, but nowhere near as severe as that of ALL its neighbors. So it's a little rich for the population of those countries to criticize and bemoan Israeli human rights abuses. That particularly includes the Palestinian territories, whose local governments routinely commit extreme torture and extra-judicial executions.

Date  Dec 27,2008 

Location Gaza ..... 

Time 11:25am..... 

Operation Cast Lead.... 

Israel starts first day of 22 days of bombing. 

First day they drop 100 1 ton bombs on the city of Gaza. No military force there , no tanks, no airplanes, no defence structure at all. 

A 1 ton bomb will take out a city block

Israel dropped 100 the  first day

Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world . Nowhere to hide . Nowhere to run 

11:25 am is important because that's the  time the morning school shift changes to the afternoon shift.

800,000 Palestinian children are on the streets at precisely that time.

Now you know what real terrorism is.

Edited December 25, 2016 by Canadianjim

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Date  Dec 27,2008 

Location Gaza ..... 

Time 11:25am..... 

Operation Cast Lead....

Would you like to compare the casualties there with what happened at Aleppo? Or perhaps what's happening in Yemen? Maybe you'd like to consider how many thousands of people the Egyptian government has sentenced to death in the last year? Do we want to go into the slaughter of the Yazdis or the fighting at Mosul?

SJWs love bringing up the deaths of Palestinians during fighting between the IDF and Palestinian guerrilla forces, but they never show the slightest interest in deaths of Muslims BY Muslims. Ever. Hell, even before the current round of fighting erupted local Arab leaders were known for mass slaughter of anyone who dared to challenge their authority. Al Bashar's daddy killed over 20,000 people, most of them civilians, in a few days bombardment of the city of Hama when some locals there rebelled a few decades ago. The reaction of the "israel is evil" crowd? Silence and an absolute lack of interest or care.

[Canadianjim]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Would you like to compare the casualties there with what happened at Aleppo? Or perhaps what's happening in Yemen? Maybe you'd like to consider how many thousands of people the Egyptian government has sentenced to death in the last year? Do we want to go into the slaughter of the Yazdis or the fighting at Mosul?

SJWs love bringing up the deaths of Palestinians during fighting between the IDF and Palestinian guerrilla forces, but they never show the slightest interest in deaths of Muslims BY Muslims. Ever. Hell, even before the current round of fighting erupted local Arab leaders were known for mass slaughter of anyone who dared to challenge their authority. Al Bashar's daddy killed over 20,000 people, most of them civilians, in a few days bombardment of the city of Hama when some locals there rebelled a few decades ago. The reaction of the "israel is evil" crowd? Silence and an absolute lack of interest or care.

Palestinians had nothing to do with aleppo. However Russia did who is now allied with Trump.

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Palestinians had nothing to do with aleppo. However Russia did who is now allied with Trump.

And how is that relevant in any way, shape or form?

I'd like to make a video for you tube. It would have  a bunch of SJWs gathered around a video monitor which shows a dead child, and they'd all be sobbing and moaning and gnashing their teeth in sympathy while cursing Israel - until someone realizes, oh, that's a dead child from Aleppo. Then they'd all stop crying and roll their eyes. The guy at the computer would find another dead Arab child, and they'd all start to bemoan its fate "Oh, wait, she was killed in yemen". They'd all sigh and roll their eyes again as they desperately searched through all the dead children pictures for one killed by the IDF. Some would be checking facebook on their smartphones, doing their nails, chatting about movies.

"Found one!" the guy at the computer would yell, and they'd all start moaning and crying again.

[Canadianjim]

Just now, Argus said:

And how is that relevant in any way, shape or form?

I'd like to make a video for you tube. It would have  a bunch of SJWs gathered around a video monitor which shows a dead child, and they'd all be sobbing and moaning and gnashing their teeth in sympathy while cursing Israel - until someone realizes, oh, that's a dead child from Aleppo. Then they'd all stop crying and roll their eyes. The guy at the computer would find another dead Arab child, and they'd all start to bemoan its fate "Oh, wait, she was killed in yemen". They'd all sigh and roll their eyes again as they desperately searched through all the dead children pictures for one killed by the IDF. Some would be checking facebook on their smartphones, doing their nails, chatting about movies.

"Found one!" the guy at the computer would yell, and they'd all start moaning and crying again.

"And how is that relevant in any way, shape or form?"

That's my question. What has Aleppo atrocities  have to do with Palestinians?

[Argus]

23 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

"And how is that relevant in any way, shape or form?"

That's my question. What has Aleppo atrocities  have to do with Palestinians?

Because you're excusing the Jew hatred among Arabs as being caused by Israeli human rights abuses, but overlooking how mild those abuses are compared to the routine abuse of human rights in the surrounding Arab countries.

[Canadianjim]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Because you're excusing the Jew hatred among Arabs as being caused by Israeli human rights abuses, but overlooking how mild those abuses are compared to the routine abuse of human rights in the surrounding Arab countries.

I am not claiming anything except facts that world agrees with. Israel is illegally occupying land and building settlements on palestinian land in violation of international law. They have also committed war crimes against Palestinians of which i detailed one of them for you. Now if you want to talk specifics like i am doing fine, let's do it. If you want  to make general propaganda  statements , I have no argument.

Let me give you an example. I grew up believing that Egypt started the 67 war because that's what we were told. Imagine my surprise when Menachem Begin admitted in 1982 that Israel started 3  of it's wars including the 1967 war.  That's when I started to wonder what else was a lie.

Edited December 25, 2016 by Canadianjim

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Canadianjim said:

I am not claiming anything except facts that world agrees with. Israel is illegally occupying land and building settlements on palestinian land in violation of international law.

Yes, so?

[Canadianjim]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Yes, so?

So I am pleased that the U.S. didn't veto the resolution and neither did any of the other permanent security council members. I was horrified by what the nazis did in the Warsaw ghetto so of course  I feel the sane way about the Gaza ghetto.

[DogOnPorch]

I imagine you're just LIVID about South Viet-Nam.

[eyeball]

I imagine you're quite proud.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 2016-12-24 at 2:07 PM, DogOnPorch said:

It really sucks to lose a war.

It really sucks even more to lose a war one started.

Settle away...

It's illegal under very basic international law to acquire/annex land through warfare. The UN's creation was to prevent this specific kind of action. It also sets a very, very dangerous precedent, along with something like Crimea and the 2003 Iraq Invasion.  Israel are colonizers and conquerors in this instance. We don't want to return to a pre-WWII, pre-UN international relations.  If every group/country wanted to act on 2000-year old land claims we would have to completely rewrite almost every single political border in the world.

At the very least, every single inch of land Israel currently occupies from other countries following the 1967 war should be controlled by UN peacekeepers, including the West Bank.

[Moonlight Graham]

This is nothing but a gutless symbolic gesture by Obama. He had 8 years to do something like this.  But now that he's a lame duck and his party has lost the White House for at least 4 years he now has the "courage" to do something like this...which will obviously be reversed by Trump and ignored by Israel anyways...so it doesn't matter.  Obama is a spineless coward.  He "obtained", he didn't even have the courage to vote for the motion! All that money and influence from the Israel Lobby means as little to him and the DNC right now as it ever has.  This decision proves that the Israel Lobby holds significant influence/power in Washington.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[DogOnPorch]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

It's illegal under very basic international law to acquire/annex land through warfare. The UN's creation was to prevent this specific kind of action. It also sets a very, very dangerous precedent, along with something like Crimea and the 2003 Iraq Invasion.  Israel are colonizers and conquerors in this instance. We don't want to return to a pre-WWII, pre-UN international relations.  If every group/country wanted to act on 2000-year old land claims we would have to completely rewrite almost every single political border in the world.

At the very least, every single inch of land Israel currently occupies from other countries following the 1967 war should be controlled by UN peacekeepers, including the West Bank.

Correction: it is "illegal" when Israel apparently does it.

Meanwhile...South Viet-Nam....where'd it go???

Gone! Invaded and ethnically cleansed by North Viet-Nam. And before you make claims that that was a 'civil war', North and South had NEVER been one (Viet and Annam)...unless you count the French controlling the region.

Might I note that the North's invasion of the South took place in 1975...the Six Day War in 1967? North Viet-Nam was rewarded by the UN (Resolution #413) for its invasion of the South with full recognition as a single entity...meanwhile, the Hmong, Cochin Chinese and numerous other groups in the South were forced to flee in a dismal event known as the Boat People. Some quarter million were lost at sea according to records. Your friendly Vietnamese neighbour arrived in Canada about now...grateful to have escaped death and Communism.

It's only illegal if Israel apparently does it......it only matters if Muslims are fleeing.

Edited December 26, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[Smallc]

Why are you talking about Vietnam as if it's some kind of point?  Didn't you yourself bring it up within this thread?  Vietnam and wars from the 60s aren't the subject.

[TimG]

28 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Meanwhile...South Viet-Nam....where'd it go???

Don't forget Tibet. The plight of Tibetans under China's policy of sinofication is much worse that Palestinians. To make matters worse, the Tibetans, unlike the Palestinians, can claim to be a distinct culture that is being systematically wiped out by the "good" imperialists (a least in the eyes the left).

[GostHacked]

18 hours ago, Argus said:

Because you're excusing the Jew hatred among Arabs as being caused by Israeli human rights abuses, but overlooking how mild those abuses are compared to the routine abuse of human rights in the surrounding Arab countries.

I like the way you ignore how foreign powers were to blame in Syria's demise.

[DogOnPorch]

16 minutes ago, Smallc said:

Why are you talking about Vietnam as if it's some kind of point?  Didn't you yourself bring it up within this thread?  Vietnam and wars from the 60s aren't the subject.

 

North Viet-Nam...with its conquest of the South and eviction of ethnic groups deemed unworthy of the new Socialist paradise...was rewarded by the UN...not punished. This took place 10 years after the Six Day War.

It's okay to invade, murder and create a massive refugee crisis if you're North Viet-Nam.

Israel gets a different set of rules to follow...where folks can attack them at will and the UN will punish Israel for it.

[DogOnPorch]

18 minutes ago, TimG said:

Don't forget Tibet. The plight of Tibetans under China's policy of sinofication is much worse that Palestinians. To make matters worse, the Tibetans, unlike the Palestinians, can claim to be a distinct culture that is being systematically wiped out by the "good" imperialists (a least in the eyes the left).

 

Good example....no Jews, you see.

[GostHacked]

17 hours ago, Argus said:

Yes, so?

That's a terrible response, Argus.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, GostHacked said:

That's a terrible response, Argus.

So? Let's see you bring back South Viet-Nam as a show of good will...otherwise you're just another SJW with an hard-on for Islam.

[Canadianjim]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This is nothing but a gutless symbolic gesture by Obama. He had 8 years to do something like this.  But now that he's a lame duck and his party has lost the White House for at least 4 years he now has the "courage" to do something like this...which will obviously be reversed by Trump and ignored by Israel anyways...so it doesn't matter.  Obama is a spineless coward.  He "obtained", he didn't even have the courage to vote for the motion! All that money and influence from the Israel Lobby means as little to him and the DNC right now as it ever has.  This decision proves that the Israel Lobby holds significant influence/power in Washington.

You do understand that for 5 decades it has been American policy to object to the settlements. How many many more decades should they sit by while Israel steals palestinian land?

[drummindiver]

 

 

 

On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Omni said:

Stop the settlement expansion and things will calm down.

Erase the stated desire of the eradication of Israel and things will calm down

 

22 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

Palestinians do in fact reside in Palestine which is a nation.

Nope. Never was. History again. 

20 hours ago, Omni said:

Did you mean the extra-judicial executions OF Palestinians?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/15/britain-silent-extrajudicial-killing-palestinians-israel-terror

Pslestinians kill lots of Palestinians also. 

19 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

 

Let me give you an example. I grew up believing that Egypt started the 67 war because that's what we were told. Imagine my surprise when Menachem Begin admitted in 1982 that Israel started 3  of it's wars including the 1967 war.  That's when I started to wonder what else was a lie.

According to @Charles Anthony personal experience and observation is verboten. Cite please.

16 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

So I am pleased that the U.S. didn't veto the resolution and neither did any of the other permanent security council members. I was horrified by what the nazis did in the Warsaw ghetto so of course  I feel the sane way about the Gaza ghetto.

If you are comparing the two you're an idiot.

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

At the very least, every single inch of land Israel currently occupies from other countries following the 1967 war should be controlled by UN peacekeepers, including the West Bank.

Yes, because Kosovo turned out so swell

[Canadianjim]

4 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

 

 

 

Erase the stated desire of the eradication of Israel and things will calm down

 

The PLO does recognize Israeli and nothing changed. Israel has a goal to own  all the land and will never accept a 2 state solution. Netanyu admitted it the last election. 

 

[drummindiver]

17 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

 

Wrong.  Arafatt said there was a state, therefore Oslo happened.  They never changed their charter. https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/21/the-plo-charter-still-calls-for-israels-destruction/

Edited December 26, 2016 by drummindiver