Boges Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/05/neurosurgeons-arrest-in-murder-leaves-patients-hanging Quote TORONTO - The murder of Dr. Elana Fric-Shamji has rocked not just the medical profession. Her husband, Dr. Mohammed Shamji, a skilled neurosurgeon, now stands accused of her murder - and patients who’d hoped for rare, life-altering surgery are scrambling to find care. Erika Crawford, 21, was supposed to get delicate surgery for a rare condition, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, a genetic disorder that weakens connective tissues in many of the body’s systems. EDS sucks collagen from the body, leaving people susceptible to loose joints, stretchy skin, spinal problems and ever-increasing pain. The Crawfords have spent $200,000 on care in the U.S. with Dr. Fraser Henderson in Maryland, one of the few neurosurgeons capable of performing the surgery. Shamji had worked closely with Henderson to learn the techniques, and Erika and her family had hoped she’d be able to get care here - on OHIP. They got a call from University Health Network (UHN) at 4 p.m. Friday cancelling the surgery, citing “a family emergency.” Erika’s dad, Darren, got a call later that evening, linking the cancellation to the murder suspect. Because he has such a specialized skill, it'll be hard to replace what he does. He still has to go to jail, but can he be given the choice to continue his practice even if he has had his freedom outside the Operating Room revoked? Or would this be considered slave labour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 No, if he is convicted he should not be allowed to keep practicing medicine. Once exposed to the prison atmosphere for a time, he will become less able to function in a non-prison environment, may well develop PTSD and I would not want such a person performing surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Until he is convicted, he is innocent. Once he is convicted, he will be in the clink and unable to perform surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) It is an interesting ethical issue. The problem now though is could you guarantee in his current head state he could do a proper job? Edited December 9, 2016 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I guess one could leave that to the patients. If ever there was a case for an exploding ankle bracelet, this is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 What's the big deal ? Just schedule the surgery with the U.S. surgeon as was done before. I can't believe that access to competent, specialized neurosurgery pivots on the alleged homicide and arrest of one trainee doctor in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Your Neurosurgeon works for HUD now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Your Neurosurgeon works for HUD now. Not yet....late January. Plenty more where he came from....probably some from Canada too (brain drain). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 It's a very interesting ethical issue, but I think if he has this rather elite skill, he should be allowed to apply it if he is willing. If convicted he must of course pay his debt to society, but someone who's well being may require his skill shouldn't have to suffer if he is able and willing to aid them. Plus it would probably be more interesting than sitting around playing cribbage with the other inmates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Should a murderer be allowed to keep his job? I f his job happens to be murdering then: yes, absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Should a murderer be allowed to keep his job? I f his job happens to be murdering then: yes, absolutely. Some people are paid handsomely to be murderers, like cops in the United States who make it a sport to kill black people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 That is not in their job description, and it's provocative to suggest so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: That is not in their job description, and it's provocative to suggest so. Lots of things are expected of employees that are not in their job descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Are expected to=passive voice Who - according to you - expects that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 14 hours ago, Omni said: It's a very interesting for wentsue, but I think if he ha s this rather elite skill, he should be allowed to apply it if he is willing. If convicted he must of course pay his debt to society, but someone who's well being may require his skill shouldn't have to suffer if he is able and willing to aid them. Plus it would probably be more interesting than sitting around playing cribbage with the other inmates. Should this be considered in sentencing.....that he waived the ability to have some time served in order to complete these scheduled surgeries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Bob Macadoo said: Should this be considered in sentencing.....that he waived the ability to have some time served in order to complete these scheduled surgeries? I don't think it should provide him any benefit at sentencing, "if you did the crime you must do the time" but down the road, his efforts should be considered as part of parole considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Innocent until proven guilty, but since doctors work with such a vulnerable segment of society, probably best he be put on paid leave until the issue is resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 2016-12-10 at 10:04 AM, cybercoma said: Some people are paid handsomely to be murderers, like cops in the United States who make it a sport to kill black people. I don't think they are that well paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 11 hours ago, hernanday said: Innocent until proven guilty, but since doctors work with such a vulnerable segment of society, probably best he be put on paid leave until the issue is resolved. What if you were the one with the tumor, waiting for him to operate? Let him pay his debt anyway that benefits society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 hour ago, bcsapper said: What if you were the one with the tumor, waiting for him to operate? Let him pay his debt anyway that benefits society. Then he would be on paid leave, he wouldn't operate, do you understand that he would not be there operating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just now, hernanday said: Then he would be on paid leave, he wouldn't operate, do you understand that he would not be there operating? Well, my point was against the paid leave option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 19 hours ago, bcsapper said: Well, my point was against the paid leave option. Why are you against paid leave, he is not seeing patients, he is on leave. He is not guilty either, or not proven guilty, it is just all alegations at this point, so it would be wrong to strip him of his income for something the courts haven't found him guilty of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I was for him continuing to practice. If he wanted to, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Sounds like he hasnt been found guilty of anything. If hes not a flight risk he should be let out on bail and allowed to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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