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7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Argus in 2016: "Accusations of election thievery are highly sophisticated and reeeal cooool, baby. Can you dig it?"

Argus in 2021: "Accusations of election thievery are for brainwashed cultists! It's impossible!!!"

Did you note that discussion was three and a half pages long? Meanwhile the lawsuits discussion is at 66. And it's just one of several. Do you understand the difference?

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3 hours ago, Argus said:

There's nothing wrong with talking about what went on for a couple of weeks given the unexpected results of the election. The 2020 election results were exactly as predicted. If anything, Trump was closer than predicted.

Further at no point did I come out and say the election was rigged or stolen or that Clinton was the real president. Whereas  you've been setting your hair on fire and running around in circles screaming like a little girl since November. Shady's turned into an online verision of those crazy, hairy homeless guys on the street shrieking about the end of the world, and the dogs have been howling and barking non-stop for months like there's a cat in their water bowl.

Cite Argus? :lol:

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3 hours ago, Argus said:

Did you note that discussion was three and a half pages long? Meanwhile the lawsuits discussion is at 66. And it's just one of several. Do you understand the difference?

There is no difference.

You were trying to have a discussion about problems with the 2016 election when the main problem with the 2016 election was that the FBI were committing crimes on behalf of the Dems, to act like there was a problem with the election. 

In 2020 people are citing very serious concerns about the election and you're taking the position that it's 'ok that a bunch of dead people voted' and 'it's ok that election laws were broken to allow illegal votes' and 'all of the people who risked jail time by signing affidavits and appearing in court had to be liars because you trust the Dems' etc.

You're also acting like it's ok for the Dems to treat people like actual criminals just for questioning election results. 

Do you understand that you were on the wrong side of history in 2016 and again in 2020? 

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12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There is no difference.

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12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You were trying to have a discussion about problems with the 2016 election when the main problem with the 2016 election was that the FBI were committing crimes on behalf of the Dems,

Funny, most sane analysts say it was the FBI announcing yet another investigation into the emails which cost her the election. Funny way of helping.

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In 2020 people are citing very serious concerns about the election

Which have utterly trashed in dozens and dozens of court cases over the past several months.

You got nothing. Zip.

 

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19 hours ago, godzilla said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/25/dominion-voting-system-giuliani-election-462122

this is where the shit gets real. guaranteed Giuliani, Powell and others will be "making statements" enforced by judges that they had no evidence of voter fraud by voting machine companies.

its coming. GUARANTEED.

Uh, not really.  But can I borrow your Godzilla pic to illustrate the great kraken that's about to be released on an unsuspecting Argus?  

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15 minutes ago, Argus said:

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Funny, most sane analysts say it was the FBI announcing yet another investigation into the emails which cost her the election. Funny way of helping.

Which have utterly trashed in dozens and dozens of court cases over the past several months.

You got nothing. Zip.

No one is denying that there wasn't an unacceptable amount of fraud, they're just saying that it's outside of the margin needed to swing the vote.

Any reasonable man would have serious doubts about the way this election was won and the completely fascist way that the Dems and their big-tech brownshirts are running the country.

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No one is denying that there wasn't an unacceptable amount of fraud, they're just saying that it's outside of the margin needed to swing the vote.

Any reasonable man would have serious doubts about the way this election was won and the completely fascist way that the Dems and their big-tech brownshirts are running the country.

But only in states Biden won right. All the states that went Trump's way were on the up and up. lol.

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7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Oddly, I don't take or follow orders from you. Strange, eh?

just pointing out that your views are based on beliefs and not facts. so rational discussion with you is pointless, particularly since one who argues on beliefs are able to change the state of those beliefs freely as necessary to support their commentary.

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No one is denying that there wasn't an unacceptable amount of fraud, they're just saying that it's outside of the margin needed to swing the vote.

There is no evidence of fraud. Period. Even the Trump lawyers never alleged fraud in the courts, and deny it when asked. And all his asslicking acolytes will do is mutter about there being questions and doubts and we need to look into this and shit like that.

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Any reasonable man would have serious doubts about the way this election was won

How would you know?

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3 hours ago, sharkman said:

Uh, not really.  But can I borrow your Godzilla pic to illustrate the great kraken that's about to be released on an unsuspecting Argus?  

Uh oh, the guy who was desperately hoping for some big revolution to put his man-crush back in power has another 'kraken'!

You notice how quiet the dumbass woman who first mentioned that is being now that she's being sued?

 

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16 minutes ago, Argus said:

There is no evidence of fraud. Period. Even the Trump lawyers never alleged fraud in the courts, and deny it when asked. And all his asslicking acolytes will do is mutter about there being questions and doubts and we need to look into this and shit like that.

How would you know?

There is evidence of fraud by the Dems even for 2016.

The FBI's collusion witch hunt included their own crimes: paying foreign agents for info/disinformation, providing false evidence, lying to the public about their ongoing 'investigation', tampering with witness statements, etc. 

Hillary and CNN defrauded the American people with their fake 'debate'. 

In 2020 there were dead people who voted by mail, thousands of ballots came in with no address on them but were counted, the Dems illegally changed election laws in some states, but most of all, mail-in balloting is by far the easiest electoral system in the world to game and the Dems started trying to implement mail-ins before we ever even heard of covid. "Let's just letter-bomb the state with ballots and see what happens". 

Those guys are the biggest cheaters in the western hemisphere and when they have a 'plan' they have a 'scam'. 

Anyone dumb enough to vote for the Dems would buy stocks from Bernie Madoff. 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

There is evidence of fraud by the Dems even for 2016.

The FBI's collusion witch hunt included their own crimes: paying foreign agents for info/disinformation, providing false evidence, lying to the public about their ongoing 'investigation', tampering with witness statements, etc. 

Hillary and CNN defrauded the American people with their fake 'debate'. 

In 2020 there were dead people who voted by mail, thousands of ballots came in with no address on them but were counted, the Dems illegally changed election laws in some states, but most of all, mail-in balloting is by far the easiest electoral system in the world to game and the Dems started trying to implement mail-ins before we ever even heard of covid. "Let's just letter-bomb the state with ballots and see what happens". 

Those guys are the biggest cheaters in the western hemisphere and when they have a 'plan' they have a 'scam'. 

Anyone dumb enough to vote for the Dems would buy stocks from Bernie Madoff. 

if it happened then they were able to hide this mass fraud from the most powerful intelligence apparatus on the planet. if the democrats are that smart then i'd suggest becoming a democrat!

and i love the old "witch hunt" dog whistle! ALL police work is a "witch hunt". the problem is that criminals don't simply march into police stations and admit their gilt!

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1 hour ago, godzilla said:

if it happened then they were able to hide this mass fraud from the most powerful intelligence apparatus on the planet. if the democrats are that smart then i'd suggest becoming a democrat!

What do you mean by "if it happened"? 

People in the FBI were fired and charged criminally for those things. McCabe was fired 1 day before his retirement. He lost his pension. Now the only thing he can do for income is talk on CNN because they loves their rogue agents over there.

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and i love the old "witch hunt" dog whistle! ALL police work is a "witch hunt". the problem is that criminals don't simply march into police stations and admit their gilt!

LOL, you clearly don't know what dog-whistling is (you should look it up), and FYI I was calling it a witch hunt before Trump was.

FYI the definition of a witch hunt is when you do a highly publicized smear campaign on someone, disguised as an investigation, while knowing that you probably won't find anything. The Dems also chose a crime for which Trump can never be fully exonerated for unless he has a video recording of his own life.

"OK Trump, prove to us that at no time in your life did you ever ask the Russians for help in the election!"

This was the exact same type of smear that they ran on Kavanaugh. Their fake witness didn't name a year or a location, that way no one can ever say "he was in Bermuda that whole month", or "there were ten of us at that party who can all vouch for the fact that nothing like that happened, at all". She named some witnesses who testified that they never heard or saw anything in their lifetime to corroborate her story and CNN and the Dems called that "a credible story. LET'S TELEVISE THE SHIT OUTTA THIS!". 

There's a similar rape accusation like that against Trump: "He raped me in the change room of a dept store in about 2005 or 2006." OK, sure toots. Let's lock a guy up over "He raped me in the most unlikely of places, kinda like in the middle of the 2000's".

Contrast those types of accusations against one like Jaunita Broderick's, where there is a day of the month named, day of the week, time of day, a specific room in a specific hotel was named, there is a historical record of 'recent outcry', she has a witness to her physical wounds that heard her story, it is confirmed that Bill was at that place at that time with nothing official listed on his itinerary, etc. 

For this particular witch hunt against Trump they chose an accusation that can never be fully disproven without a video recording of the accused's entire life, it included actual felonies by the investigators, they offered people who were guilty of unrelated crimes reduced sentencing for false testimony, the public spectacle included things like using a swat team for a pre-dawn raid (cameras rolling) with fully automatic weapons drawn on an old man and his wife, it went on for a long time after they knew they had nothing, it yielded no evidence against the accused, and then instead of apologizing they started another investigation which was even more fake (into the Ukraine, where only Biden is known to have pulled a qpq for his own family's gain). 

What more do you need to match that story up with the definition of a 'witch hunt'? FYI, there is no need for any corn brooms to involved for it to be categorized as a witch hunt. 

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49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What do you mean by "if it happened"? 

People in the FBI were fired and charged criminally for those things. McCabe was fired 1 day before his retirement. He lost his pension. Now the only thing he can do for income is talk on CNN because they loves their rogue agents over there.

ONE guy was caught buffing up evidence that would lead to the yet another FISA warrant on Carter Page.

"Charging documents filed Friday say Clinesmith altered an email he received in June 2017 from another government agency to say that Page was “not a source” for that agency, then forwarded it along to a colleague. The document does not say which agency, but Page has publicly said that he had worked as a source for the CIA."

Former FBI lawyer pleads guilty to altering document during Russia probe

note... ONE guy.

McCabe was fired without reason.

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI the definition of a witch hunt is when you do a highly publicized smear campaign on someone, disguised as an investigation, while knowing that you probably won't find anything. The Dems also chose a crime for which Trump can never be fully exonerated for unless he has a video recording of his own life.

"OK Trump, prove to us that at no time in your life did you ever ask the Russians for help in the election!"

Its true that Trump will never be fully exonerated but not for the reasons you list. He will never be exonerated because he was not forthcoming and entirely unable to call out any of the 34 individuals and 3 Russian businesses entities that were indicted. In fact, he did everything he could to foil those indictments and deny the facts that were provided. keep in mind, a number of those individuals went to jail based on the preponderance of truth decided on by a jury of their peers.

Trump was not found guilty of anything. but yeah, doesn't look good for him.

34 individuals indicted... not a "witch hunt".

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43 minutes ago, godzilla said:

ONE guy was caught buffing up evidence that would lead to the yet another FISA warrant on Carter Page.

"Charging documents filed Friday say Clinesmith altered an email he received in June 2017 from another government agency to say that Page was “not a source” for that agency, then forwarded it along to a colleague. The document does not say which agency, but Page has publicly said that he had worked as a source for the CIA."

The document didn't go "to a colleague". It found it's way to the FISA Court.

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note... ONE guy.

McCabe was fired without reason.

No reason? You must not have the internet...

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McCabe had improperly authorized releases of information to The Wall Street Journal about an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and lied to FBI and DOJ agents who questioned him about it on four occasions, three of which were under oath.[10]

On Fox News they knew he was going to be fired. Initially they were reporting that he had tampered with some witness statements. That claim was later changed to lying during an interview. It could be that both things happened.

We'll never know for sure why he was fired but it was definitely not "without cause" lol. 

It was more than just McCabe and Clinesmith. Strzok was fired too. Other agents were removed from the case. Bruce Orr for example. 

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Its true that Trump will never be fully exonerated but not for the reasons you list. He will never be exonerated because he was not forthcoming and entirely unable to call out any of the 34 individuals and 3 Russian businesses entities that were indicted. In fact, he did everything he could to foil those indictments and deny the facts that were provided. keep in mind, a number of those individuals went to jail based on the preponderance of truth decided on by a jury of their peers.

Trump was not found guilty of anything. but yeah, doesn't look good for him.

34 individuals indicted... not a "witch hunt".

What a crock of shit.

You've got spooky-sounding Russians in there who can be named in any indictment that the FBI wants, because they'll never stand trial in the USA and people who weren't guilty of collusion:

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Lobbyist and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort learned on Thursday that he will serve almost four years in prison – far short of what had been expected and recommended – for financial fraud convictions obtained by special counsel Robert Mueller as he investigated Manafort’s alleged collusion with the Russian government in 2016.

The crimes, though serious among white-collar offenses, did not relate directly to Manafort’s work as Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman

This is a guy who was only found guilty of white collar crimes who was coerced to give false testimony against Trump. That should offend you, just like the rest of this banana republic farce should offend you.

Roger Stone wasn't found guilty of 'colluding' either. 

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U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson handed down Stone’s 40-month sentence in a packed Washington, D.C., courtroom after spending more than two hours ticking through the twisted history of his case, which culminated last November with a jury finding the GOP operative guilty on seven felony counts including lying to authorities, obstructing a congressional investigation and witness intimidation.

That was politico, a great friend of Trump (irony? sarcasm? both), and they still couldn't quite bend the words here to say that this "GOP operative" lol was guilty of 'Russian collusion'. Ooohhhhhh.

 

Russian collusion - Witch Hunt. 

Ukrainian collusion - Witch Hunt. 

Dr Ford - Bogus ho hunt.

SEDITIONGATE - Tempest in a Teapot

PARLERGATE - Just more Dem fascism

 

 

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And FYI, you see 'one guy', that's just a 'fall guy', because the FBI isn't chock full of idiots. (and there wasn't just one guy)

There was enough money spent on this and enough agents working on this that several people in the FBI were aware of what was going on. 

Comey signed off on 3 or 4 FISA warrants. Do you think it's possible that he wasn't aware of Page or Popadopolous's status by the time they were signing subsequent FISA warrants? Other high-level FBI members were that clueless? Just ONE GUY in the FBI knew?????? :lol:

How long could the whole FBI spy on a handful of guys without having a clue wtf was going on? 

"Hey this FISA is running out. Quick, renew it so that we can keep spying on everyone."

Just remember that when Trump initially said that he was being spied on the MSM said he was a lying idiot. So did Obama. It was a big part of the whole "Trump's a liar" thing. 

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