Was the US election hacked?

[Guest]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

You bought the headlines, even though others showed evidence to the contrary. And now you find out what lying corporate whores the mass media are. See how that works? It's not difficult...

What evidence?  I'd love to see how it works, if you actually have any.  No YouTubers or other MAGA basement dwellers, please.

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

What evidence?  I'd love to see how it works, if you actually have any.  No YouTubers or other MAGA basement dwellers, please.

Allow me to recap the conversations of the last 4 years. How quickly (and conveniently) we forget.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Allow me to recap the conversations of the last 4 years. How quickly (and conveniently) we forget.

Sure, if you want to make the effort.  Fill your boots.

I smell a "gotcha" here.  Well, I'm up to it!

Edited January 31, 2021 by bcsapper

[godzilla]

51 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Shouldn't they be making fun of Uncle Joe by now?

Jim Carey is doing Joe. has been since he became the D nominee.

[godzilla]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

You bought the headlines, even though others showed evidence to the contrary. And now you find out what lying corporate whores the mass media are. See how that works? It's not difficult...

you mean... the nursing home figures weren't just people dying of other causes like Trump said? and there were even more of them?! he said nothing to worry about!

ps. to the OP, election wasn't stolen.

Edited January 31, 2021 by godzilla

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, godzilla said:

they both have problems with women. done.

No.

One was credibly accused as a violent rapist.

The accusation against the other would never get serious consideration in a court of law for several different reasons. 

Trudeau has also been accused of inappropriate sexual touching. Is he the same as those two? No. There are different levels and no reasonable person would deny that.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

But that's the problem.  I'm not.  I first heard of Adam Schiff with regard to the first impeachment.  I agreed with that, of course, but that was a no brainer.  I don't remember anything else by him coming up.  I don't think I've ever had a discussion on anything Maxine Waters said.  I did like Andrew Cuomo for a while, but superficially, headlines only, and now I hear about the dodgy figures and I think he should answer for that. (you see how that works?  It's not difficult) I don't think I've ever agree with anything AOC said.  (except perhaps something to do with Robinhood that she said recently.  Ted Cruz agreed with her too, so I'm in good company, right?)

The problem is, you actually are. 

The Dem/CNN shitshow is their circus and you're one of their monkeys. 

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That said, I would have to admit that I would need some serious proof before I would consider any of those you mention there to be in the same league, wingnut/traitor wise, to the three I mentioned,  Cruz, Hawley, and Taylor Greene. 

I would be curious as to your view of those three?  Perhaps I'm wrong.

My view on those three is that they are saints compared to the Dems that I mentioned.

Even a Democrat AG has raised serious questions about Cuomo's actions during covid.

It came out months ago on Fox that Cuomo was sending infected patients back to care homes where the virus was killing people by the thousands. Then when the people who were infected by those sick people got sent to the hospital and died there a few hours later, the state classified them as "hospital deaths" to artificially lower the number of "care-home deaths".

Fact is that Cuomo's own policy of sending infected people to care homes (instead of the hospital ship or covid quarantine centers that were built) was a lot like mass, serial murder.

CNN and the Dems were happy to put all of those NY State care home deaths on Trump, but it wasn't Trump's policy that was killing people. Trump was busy 1) getting hospital ships up to NY and 2) getting the Army Corps of Engineers up there to build hospitals and 3) he had shut down the national economy and 4) he got companies mass-producing respirators to fight covid, and 5) started operation Warp Speed, Cuomo was just busy sending sick people back to care homes to infect people and then juggling numbers to hide the fact that his policy killed several thousands of people. 

Keep in mind, this wasn't death by inaction or oversight, his own bad policies actively killed people.

Here's a brief summary of the MSM coverage:

Leftists don't know about this story for the same reason they never heard of Michel Fournier. The MSM doesn't want you to know. 

 

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, godzilla said:

Jim Carey is doing Joe. has been since he became the D nominee.

I never watch such filgercarb so wouldn't know. He's a Candian.

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Sure, if you want to make the effort.  Fill your boots.

I smell a "gotcha" here.  Well, I'm up to it!

 

You were duped by the infotainment system for the past 4 years, and only now is the realization dawning in your mind. Therefore no need for me to invoke any gotchas. You people got yourselves quite nicely, sans my assistance.

You have defeated yourselves.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The problem is, you actually are. 

The Dem/CNN shitshow is their circus and you're one of their monkeys. 

My view on those three is that they are saints compared to the Dems that I mentioned.

 

 

No, I'm not.  I'm sorry, I know you need me to be, but I'm not.  You've hitched your wagon to some despicable low lifes and you're too embarrassed now to admit it.  It's too late for you to go back.

So you need the people you are arguing with to be seen to be doing the same.  But it isn't so.  You see, I'm more that happy to see Andrew Cuomo answer for his actions. 

I'd be happy to hear you are open to Trump and his traitorous crew answering for theirs. 

But they are saints.  So that's not likely, is it?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

 

You were duped by the infotainment system for the past 4 years, and only now is the realization dawning in your mind. Therefore no need for me to invoke any gotchas. You people got yourselves quite nicely, sans my assistance.

You have defeated yourselves.

Ah, I forgot about defeating myself. 

[DogOnPorch]

36 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Ah, I forgot about defeating myself. 

 

French blood?

[Charles Anthony]

20 hours ago, godzilla said:

personal attacks are not necessary WCM.

Indeed. 

 

Folks, 

Please keep the discussions civil.  If you want to be jocular, that is fine. 

However, do not get mean-spirited among yourselves.  That only brings down the forum. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

French blood?

No, but I do have some Italian. 

Grandpa was a fascist.

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, but I do have some Italian. 

Grandpa was a fascist.

 

Don't we both? Heh. Europe...funny ol' place...packed in like the sardines.

But dear old Dad was learning to swap Lancaster engines in Calgary when the war ended.

Election hacked? Hitler didn't need to hack the election...so-to-speak...just let the counters know that the SA were waiting outside to escort them...safely...home after the counting was done.

Edited January 31, 2021 by DogOnPorch

[Argus]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

- I was raped on Apr 25th 1978 at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock, Arkansas. I have a witness, and Bill Clinton was in that town on that day with nothing on his official itinerary at the time the incident is alleged to have occurred.

There were no witnesses. This was investigated by the Clinton-hating Starr Commission and they found no conclusive evidence Clinton had even been in that hotel, let alone in that room.

You simply take accusations as proof when it can be used against people you don't like, and ignore them when against your orange god.

[godzilla]

so the Arizona Rs censur the GOP governor... because... because he wasn't willing to subvert election results. no one getting censur because they couldn't get enough people to vote for Trump. i guess because everyone knew that wasn't possible.

Arizona governor says state GOP's censuring him is 'of very little consequence'

[BeaverFever]

The ‘civil war’ for the soul of the GOP is over before it began. Trump won — again
 

Just three weeks ago, congressional GOP leaders set out to reclaim their party from President Donald Trump and his violent supporters. Trump had frequently emboldened white supremacists and domestic terrorists, but never more visibly than when he recruited and incited those who sacked the Capitol on Jan. 6 — and then did nothing for hours as they rampaged, hunting for lawmakers, in hopes of overturning the election....

Yet just three weeks after feebly trying to quit Trump, they have relapsed. It’s as though Abraham Lincoln had offered the Union’s unconditional surrender after the first shots were fired at Fort Sumter.

Thanks to the cowardice of McCarthy and the perfidy of McConnell, the GOP now comprises two relatively harmonious factions: those who actively sabotage democracy, and those who tacitly condone the sabotage. Trump is gone; Trumpism reigns.....

 

Worse, McCarthy decided to embrace Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), a QAnon adherent and anti-Semite who, CNN uncovered this week, had “liked” social media comments recommending “a bullet to the head” of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and proposing that FBI agents should be executed for helping the fictional “deep state.

 

McCarthy’s spokesman said the GOP leader would “have a conversation with the congresswoman.” Apparently he did — and McCarthy decided to reward Greene by giving her the seat she desired on the House Education Committee. That’s a plum assignment for a woman who claimed the Parkland and Sandy Hook school shootings were hoaxes and the grieving parents actors.

Pelosi justifiably called McCarthy’s rewarding of Greene “absolutely appalling” and said she’d seek more security for lawmakers — especially because “the enemy is within the House of Representatives.”

“Enemy” is the right word. Somebody who wants to see you assassinated isn’t merely your opponent.....

 

If anything, it’s even worse at lower levels in the party. The Texas Republican Party has been promoting its new slogan in recent days, “We are the Storm” — an echo of the QAnon term for when Trump’s enemies will face mass executions.

Arizona’s Republican Party, which asked whether Trump supporters were ready to die to overturn Trump’s defeat, just censured the state’s sitting Republican governor, Doug Ducey, for certifying President Biden’s win in the state.

Oregon’s Republican Party proposed that the attack on the Capitol was a “false flag” operation. Hawaii’s Republican Party praised QAnon believers and promoted a Holocaust denier.

This is not mere madness — it is madness with consequences. A republic cannot prosper when one side uses the threat of political violence as a means to power. A stable country cannot long survive with the threat of assassination constantly hanging over its leaders.

Members of Congress wrote to House leaders Thursday pleading for more personal security for themselves and their families. “Members now regularly face threats,” they wrote. “The increased level of threats has overwhelmed the Capitol Police Threat Assessment Section.”...

 

The Department of Homeland Security warned on Wednesday that “ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition, as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives, could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence.” The Capitol attack, DHS said, may embolden them “to target elected officials and government facilities.”

This isn’t abstract. In a legal filing this week, the FBI disclosed that one such violent extremist, a Trump supporter, was found with five pipe bombs, 49 firearms, 15,000 rounds of ammunition, and bomb-making material. Authorities believe he was targeting California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), Twitter, Facebook and “Democratic targets” to make sure Trump stayed in office....

Is it any wonder the threat of violence has become a constant presence in our political life? We see death threats against state elections officials, state and local health officials, and, of course, journalists. People plotted to kidnap Michigan’s Democratic governor. Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s top infectious disease doctor, has been under Secret Service protection since March because of threats to him, his wife and his children. He described to the New York Times this week opening a letter filled with powder, requiring a hazmat crew to spray him down.

This week, a man claiming “Biden did not win” was arrested for threatening Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) and his family. The Justice Department, meanwhile, revealed new charges against one of those who attacked the Capitol over his threat to “assassinate” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and for saying that the Capitol Police officer who fatally shot one of the invaders “deserves to die.”

Earlier this month, the FBI arrested a Georgia man over his plans for “putting a bullet in” Pelosi’s head. A New Hampshire man was arrested for threatening to kill six members of Congress, saying, “Donald Trump is your president. If you don’t get behind him, we’re going to hang you until you die.” And an Illinois man was arrested for his vow to “kill any motherf-----g Democrat” that attempts to enter the White House. And federal authorities have brought cases against 164 people from 39 states and D.C. involved in the Capitol attack, according to George Washington University’s tally.

Republicans think they’ll save their political hides by capitulating to Trump. But, inevitably, that also means capitulating to his violent supporters. And democracy can’t function at the point of a gun.
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/29/civil-war-soul-of-gop-over-trump-won/?arc404=true

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, bcsapper said:

No, I'm not.  I'm sorry, I know you need me to be, but I'm not.  You've hitched your wagon to some despicable low lifes and you're too embarrassed now to admit it.  It's too late for you to go back.

So you need the people you are arguing with to be seen to be doing the same.  But it isn't so.  You see, I'm more that happy to see Andrew Cuomo answer for his actions. 

I'd be happy to hear you are open to Trump and his traitorous crew answering for theirs. 

But they are saints.  So that's not likely, is it?

GOP supporters rioted for less than 2 hours on one single day in the last 20 years and you're suddenly acting like the Dems are the party of law and order? 

LMAO bc, that's literally retarded and you're the last person on earth to pontificate to anyone.

The only despicable lowlifes are the ones who egged on the rioting, looting, arson, assaults on police, racial violence, the hostile takeover of sovereign American soil, the murders of innocent people and the assassinations of police officers. There's literally no excuse for the Dems to have supported all of that. Not one single excuse.

When cops were going to work every day and getting verbally & physically assaulted regularly the Dems and CNN were even calling for "de-funding the police". Yeah, just turn on your backs on those guys when they actually need your support the most you god-damned traitors.

Even a lot of lowlife, scumbag Dem supporters thought that was too far, it hurt their precious ratings, so they scaled it back, but never forget that the Demonrats actually talked about defunding the police at the height of the rioting (when they also refused to send in the National Guard). 

The Dems are repugnant, worthless, irredeemable losers and what can I say about the fact that you support them?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

GOP supporters rioted for less than 2 hours on one single day in the last 20 years and you're suddenly acting like the Dems are the party of law and order? 

LMAO bc, that's literally retarded and you're the last person on earth to pontificate to anyone.

The only despicable lowlifes are the ones who egged on the rioting, looting, arson, assaults on police, racial violence, the hostile takeover of sovereign American soil, the murders of innocent people and the assassinations of police officers. There's literally no excuse for the Dems to have supported all of that. Not one single excuse.

When cops were going to work every day and getting verbally & physically assaulted regularly the Dems and CNN were even calling for "de-funding the police". Yeah, just turn on your backs on those guys when they actually need your support the most you god-damned traitors.

Even a lot of lowlife, scumbag Dem supporters thought that was too far, it hurt their precious ratings, so they scaled it back, but never forget that the Demonrats actually talked about defunding the police at the height of the rioting (when they also refused to send in the National Guard). 

The Dems are repugnant, worthless, irredeemable losers and what can I say about the fact that you support them?

Hahaha, two hours of actually trying to overturn a democratically elected government, and murder some of its elected representatives.  Yeah, we should just forget it.

I don't act like the Dems are anything.  They are infinitely better than the screwed up nutjobs you support, but so are the Republicans who have shown some guts and integrity in opposing them too.

Like I and others have said, you can't make your point by pretending those who oppose it support something they do not.  You can keep trying though.  Let's face it, you do keep trying, no matter how many times you fail.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

There were no witnesses. This was investigated by the Clinton-hating Starr Commission and they found no conclusive evidence Clinton had even been in that hotel, let alone in that room.

 

Juanita Broaddrick's friend was staying at the hotel with her and when she got back to the room she saw the bite mark on Broaddrick's lip. 

While the Starr commission didn't think that there was enough evidence to get a conviction, and that's probably the case seeing as JB went back and forth about whether or not she was raped a few times over the years, this is still a more serious and far more credible accusation against Bill than there ever was against Trump or Kavanaugh - by orders of magnitude.

Anyone who would try to act like Trump and Kavanugh are guilty of something that Bill Clinton isn't far guiltier of is just a lying idiot.  

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You simply take accusations as proof when it can be used against people you don't like, and ignore them when against your orange god.

1) Is Trump guilty of grabbing the vaginas of some ditzy bikini contest bimbos who were no doubt just as into it as he was? For absolute certain he was. 

Do you think that move is unique to Trump, or do you think that it's a move that's successful for billionaires, male strippers and pro athletes on a regular basis? 

For some people, it's their thing. FYI Anna Nicole Smith wasn't the only Playboy Bunny to marry an 80+ yr old billionaire.

2) Do I think that Trump raped a woman in a department store changing room? There's literally zero credible evidence to support that claim, and it wasn't even year-specific.

Unless there's an actual rape allegation against Trump that I never heard of before, you look like a complete idiot for lending the story of "trump the rapist" any credibility.

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Hahaha, two hours of actually trying to overturn a democratically elected government, and murder some of its elected representatives.  Yeah, we should just forget it.

Hahaha, you said murder and that's pure bullshit. 

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I don't act like the Dems are anything.  They are infinitely better than the screwed up nutjobs you support, but so are the Republicans who have shown some guts and integrity in opposing them too.

You aren't "acting". You're just doing it honestly. 

You supported the Dems while they incited rioting/murder/assassinations for years. 

Now all of a sudden you want to preach about how bad it is.

No one wants to hear Adolf Hitler's speech about religious tolerance for the exact same reason that they don't care what you have to say about "the evils of rioting". 

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Like I and others have said, you can't make your point by pretending those who oppose it support something they do not.  You can keep trying though.  Let's face it, you do keep trying, no matter how many times you fail.

When did you ever speak out against the rioting of 2014-2017, and in 2020? When did you ever call out the Dems or the Obamas for supporting it? 

Never.

And failure to speak out against it for 3 years means that you utterly lack the credibility to speak out against the hour-long riot of Jan 6th which involved less than 200 people.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Hahaha, you said murder and that's pure bullshit. 

Yes, if you like.

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You aren't "acting". You're just doing it honestly. 

You supported the Dems while they incited rioting/murder/assassinations for years. 

Now all of a sudden you want to preach about how bad it is.

No one wants to hear Adolf Hitler's speech about religious tolerance for the exact same reason that they don't care what you have to say about "the evils of rioting". 

 

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

When did you ever speak out against the rioting of 2014-2017, and in 2020? When did you ever call out the Dems or the Obamas for supporting it? 

Never.

And failure to speak out against it for 3 years means that you utterly lack the credibility to speak out against the hour-long riot of Jan 6th which involved less than 200 people.

Again, you need this because you need the people who oppose you to be wrong about something.  If they are right about things like rioting and antifa, then maybe they are right about election fraud too!  The horror!

I'm not going to search my posts for those that are against riots of any kind.  You're the one making the accusation.  Find a pro-riot post.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Charles Anthony said:

Indeed. 

 

Folks, 

Please keep the discussions civil.  If you want to be jocular, that is fine. 

However, do not get mean-spirited among yourselves.  That only brings down the forum. 

Why I getting called out for mocking someone's stupidity when they're playing stupid?

I get called names here all the time and I never saw a post telling beaverfever to knock it off. 

This song and dance about "I never supported the Dems when they were inciting violent riots" is total bullshit and you know that. 

If people want to blatantly lie here, or try to act like pertinent discussions about the Dems' repugnant behaviour are irrelevant, or they act like they're not supporting Dems when they completely ignore that repugnant behaviour, it's fair to call them out, accurately and with clarity, it it's fully supported by evidence.

It is an adult forum and people are bringing it down just by carrying on with the same old tired lies. 

Like I said, if people don't like being mocked for their stupidity then they shouldn't play stupid. Some people need to own up to some actual facts and move on. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

This song and dance about "I never supported the Dems when they were inciting violent riots" is total bullshit and you know that.

Except you don't actually have any evidence for that.  You make it up, and assume it must be true, because you made it up.

Hey, just like the "stop the steal" stuff.

For what it's worth, I think you're jocular.