OftenWrong Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Look on the bright side. At least this way they might save the ales... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Is there some symbolic value about the date March 29th or was it just something arbitrarily pulled out of a hat and therefore perfectly delayable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 14 hours ago, bcsapper said: Much as I hate the fact that Agincourt and the Dambusters were all for nought, I think Brexit was a terrible idea. It was too late. Cameron ought to go down in UK history as an utter clown. More like Dunkirk. Britain is getting out of Europe but leaving all its weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Wilber said: More like Dunkirk. Britain is getting out of Europe but leaving all its weapons. I was talking about having so much fun beating them up. As members, we have to pretend we didn't mean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Ah, the Armada, Blenheim and Vitoria were fun too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 Looks like May has just pulled the leadership for another year. Nevertheless, she has too many enemies in her own Tory party. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-4654724 I mean in all seriousness Corbyn was never gonna pose as a credible opposition to her. He lacks the gravitas. Would love to see May negotiating her way out of no deal with the EU....Merckel the german chancelor has categorically said “the deal can not be changed”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 The Brexiteers don’t understand how the world has changed. There’ll be no plain sailing when deals have to be done: Quote There are three rule-makers in the 21st century: the EU, the US and China. Opt out of the EU, and we are rule-takers.’ Corbyn has given up on Europe. For the good of Britain, we cannot | David Miliband | Opinion | The Guardian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Next Tuesday is the moment of truth unless May chickens out again and further postpones the vote. The Brits are in an unenviable position regarding their politicians. Their PM is indecisive and weak while the alternative is an unelectable communist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, -TSS- said: Next Tuesday is the moment of truth unless May chickens out again and further postpones the vote. The Brits are in an unenviable position regarding their politicians. Their PM is indecisive and weak while the alternative is an unelectable communist. Not so sure he's unelectable. But yes, May blew this, just like she blew the last election. Mind you, she didn't do it alone. The London elites have been working feverishly against Brexit from day one, and continue to do so now. And that includes a sizeable number of her own caucus, including the speaker. They have been doing their level best to portray a Brexit without a perfectly negotiated trade agreement as the End of Times, and no doubt working with their colleagues at the EU to ensure no negotiated settlement was possible. All their endless doomsaying has succeeded in scaring a small percentage of the electorate so that the remainers now edge out the leavers by a couple of %. If she is defeated, which seems likely, then the remainers can hope Corbyn gets in and saves the day for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Argus said: Not so sure he's unelectable. But yes, May blew this, just like she blew the last election. Mind you, she didn't do it alone. The London elites have been working feverishly against Brexit from day one, and continue to do so now. And that includes a sizeable number of her own caucus, including the speaker. They have been doing their level best to portray a Brexit without a perfectly negotiated trade agreement as the End of Times, and no doubt working with their colleagues at the EU to ensure no negotiated settlement was possible. All their endless doomsaying has succeeded in scaring a small percentage of the electorate so that the remainers now edge out the leavers by a couple of %. If she is defeated, which seems likely, then the remainers can hope Corbyn gets in and saves the day for them. You know what, that made for an ever bigger shit show about the European Union. Industrial production went down for France, Germany and Italy drastically last November and the Euro Zone may enter a stagnation/recession period really soon, while France is burning right now. It seems that the people want to have a say in the decision making, duh, and the yellow vests are demanding civic referendums, which the power in place refuse, stating word for word that it would make it so immigration would be voted to be reduced and maybe the death penalty reestablished. That's what one MP of the party in power said in an interview recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: You know what, that made for an ever bigger shit show about the European Union. Industrial production went down for France, Germany and Italy drastically last November and the Euro Zone may enter a stagnation/recession period really soon, while France is burning right now. It seems that the people want to have a say in the decision making, duh, and the yellow vests are demanding civic referendums, which the power in place refuse, stating word for word that it would make it so immigration would be voted to be reduced and maybe the death penalty reestablished. That's what one MP of the party in power said in an interview recently. The French have also openly acknowledged that if they ever held a referendum on the EU the French would vote to leave just like the British did. Probably in greater numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 If and when Theresa May loses the Brexit-vote in Parliament she will cling on as PM but only because there is no obvious successor within the Tories. However, she will be a lame duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, -TSS- said: If and when Theresa May loses the Brexit-vote in Parliament she will cling on as PM but only because there is no obvious successor within the Tories. However, she will be a lame duck. She has already announced she will not lead the party into another election. The more obvious successors include Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Argus said: The more obvious successors include Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg. They are one worse than the other and complete cocks... One of the problems with these unicorn Brexitiers including Michael Gove is that they do not want to admit they are wrong. In any case there's not much time left and May inevitably was a lame duck now becomes toast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I guess the promise not to lead the party into the next election was the price May had to pay not to be thrown out immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 hours ago, kactus said: They are one worse than the other and complete cocks... One of the problems with these unicorn Brexitiers including Michael Gove is that they do not want to admit they are wrong. In any case there's not much time left and May inevitably was a lame duck now becomes toast... Perhaps your judgement of them is affected by your belief they were wrong. Even though they weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iznogoud Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Why Brexit failed. 1. It was a stupid idea in the first place. Leaving the largest free trade area in the world was bound to have negative repercussions. 2. Voters were lied to about Brexit's supposedly positive effects. It is a now estimated that leaving the Eu will reduce the UK's GDP by anywhere from three to nine percent. 3. Many of the leave votes were racially motivated. From all reports it appears that many of those who voted to leave did so simply because they hated immigrants. This is not a sound reason for cutting ties with a body as powerful as the EU. 4. The EU played hardball. The UK bargained for a better deal but the EU was not inclined to make it easy for the EU to leave. As a result the UK was pretty much forced to accept what the EU was willing to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Argus said: Perhaps your judgement of them is affected by your belief they were wrong. Even though they weren't. Johnson is an unserious chancer who wasn't even trusted by the Leave crowd when Cameron resigned. May was also opposed by the Brexiteer wing of her own party who want a hard Brexit. Corbyn is a complete mess, a Leaver in charge of a pro-Remain caucus who offered no leadership. May should still have reached out to him much sooner to try and get cross-party support for her deal. Brexit divides both parties so any deal should be supported across party lines. Now we know what MPs are against but we still don't know what they want. If a hard Brexit is to be avoided, they may have to ask Brussels for more time (after two and a half years already!) to get their collective act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Gove would be a better candidate than either BoJo or Moggie, more credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Simple maths really. Those who oppose Brexit oppose any deal because they dont want Brexit. Those who want Brexit dont want a crap deal. Hence the offered deal was rejected in parliament. May's days are numbered. Actually, all these European Ms, Merkel. Macron and May, are political corpses. At least Merkel had her powerful moments, which cant be said of the other two Ms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 9:18 PM, Iznogoud said: Why Brexit failed. It hasn't failed yet. On 1/15/2019 at 9:18 PM, Iznogoud said: 1. It was a stupid idea in the first place. Leaving the largest free trade area in the world was bound to have negative repercussions. Bound to be. No one ever suggested it wouldn't. But there would be positive things too, like a return to sovereignty. On 1/15/2019 at 9:18 PM, Iznogoud said: 2. Voters were lied to about Brexit's supposedly positive effects. It is a now estimated that leaving the Eu will reduce the UK's GDP by anywhere from three to nine percent. Yeah, estimated by the same people who campaigned against BREXIT in the first place. The main reason voters voted to leave the EU was the continuing encroachment on national sovereignty of the growing EU bureaucracy into every aspect of life. I'm sure the British are in favour of a TRADE agreement. What they don't want is Europe deciding what their laws should be, or who can and can't move to the UK. Would you agree to a trade agreement with the US where the US had had a veto over our laws and could decide who could and could not enter Canada? On 1/15/2019 at 9:18 PM, Iznogoud said: 3. Many of the leave votes were racially motivated. From all reports it appears that many of those who voted to leave did so simply because they hated immigrants. People all over the world dislike immigrants, but far more in African, Asian and Middle Eastern countries than in the UK or EU. Most people can tolerate a certain number, but when the numbers get too high the resentment builds. All over the EU people are angry about immigrants/migrants, and governments which ignore that anger are falling. If the French were given a vote they'd vote to ban all new immigrants and migrants tomorrow. So would the Germans or the Dutch or the Swedes. On 1/15/2019 at 9:18 PM, Iznogoud said: 4. The EU played hardball. The UK bargained for a better deal but the EU was not inclined to make it easy for the EU to leave. As a result the UK was pretty much forced to accept what the EU was willing to give. The EU bureaucrats are trying to wreck BREXIT. No surprise there. They bargained for a deal which they knew wouldn't be approved in hopes of toppling May and getting a more congenial leader in who represents the interests of the London elites. I don't think it's going to work. The UK government backing down on BREXIT at this point would trigger massive and violent national protests and disturbances. It would further radicalize the British and lead to the growth of far right political parties. It would, in other words, be a temporary victory for the EU but a long term loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 10:14 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: Gove would be a better candidate than either BoJo or Moggie, more credible. And any of them would be better than May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Both main parties are split in the middle regarding Brexit. Another example how the traditional party-division is outdated. Corbyn is also pro-Brexit but he is using this present turmoil as an opportunity to catapult him to power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iznogoud Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Argus said: It hasn't failed yet. Only Because Britain has not actually left, however, the economy has already been given a kick and i\s expected to get worse even with a so-called "soft" Brexit. Would you agree to a trade agreement with the US where the US had had a veto over our laws and could decide who could and could not enter Canada? Every international agreement is a limit on sovereignty. Britain has hundreds of treaties as does Canada. Every one is a limit on sovereignty to a certain extent. Foolishly, however, Britain decided to cut itself off from its major trading partners. People all over the world dislike immigrants, but far more in African, Asian and Middle Eastern countries than in the UK or EU. Most people can tolerate a certain number, but when the numbers get too high the resentment builds. All over the EU people are angry about immigrants/migrants, and governments which ignore that anger are falling. If the French were given a vote they'd vote to ban all new immigrants and migrants tomorrow. So would the Germans or the Dutch or the Swedes. We can address the non-Brits later if you like, but so far as Britain is concerned the immigrants that were seemed to bother it the most were not from any of the usual areas immigrants used to come from, which was the old colonial areas of the British Empire. This immigration was an issue long before Britain joined the EU. So-called visible minorities from places like Africa, India, Hong Kong, and the West Indies have been resented by a certain part of the British population ever since any of them came to Britain. Many people in this category began to come to Britain as far back as World War I, when many of them were brought in to help the war effort. The problem was then and is now that many of these visible minorities were simply not accepted by a certain segment of the population. The new anti-immigration stand was directed against people who actually look like most Brits, namely people from Eastern Europe, including countries like Poland and Rumania. Apparently to some Brits if you are not exactly like them then you are undesirable. In other words it was racism, pure and simple. And as for trying to wreck Brexit, the EU didn't have to try very hard. It was a poorly conceived idea in the first place. Did Britain actually think that it could break away from the EU, but continue to trade with it as if nothing had happened? Any trade would still be subject to EU rules and regulations, the only difference being that Britain would no longer have any say in those rules and regulations. And what do you do about the two million or so Brits who have decided to live in various parts of the EU or the millions more who regularly travel there for business or pleasure? By leaving Britain has lost all of its EU subsidies. Considering that those subsidies made up a very large part of the income of British farmers it will be interesting to see how that missing revenue is made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) A British work-mate of mine is very nervous about how Brexit is going to affect his life in Finland. He has to go through some bureacratic procedures and may even have to apply for a residence-permit. Fair enough if those rules applied to everyone but somehow people from the MENA-countries have no bureacratic problems whatsoever. Edited January 18, 2019 by -TSS- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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