Offical 2017 BC Election Thread

[Derek 2.0]

Well, eight months out now and Clark is already attempting to bribe voters with their own money and we've got our first poll:

Though there is still plenty of time, and despite polling right up to the last election saying the NDP would win, something like the above is what I think will happen next Spring.

I've voted Social Credit and then BC Liberals in every election since 1983, but I highly doubt that I'll be voting for the Liberals this time around......I've never liked Clark, despite voting for her party during the last election, but I'm truly fed up with her and her inner circle and its ties to the Ontario and Federal Liberals.....I'm of the opinion that the Liberals need to loose an election to get rid of her (or drop a house on her) and her cadre.

Now I know the NDP will be a disaster, and I would never vote for them (nor does it mater well living on Vancouver Island, in the leaders riding, the safest of safe seats for the BC NDP), nor would I vote for the kooks in the BC Fraser Valley Conservative Party..........that leaves me with Andrew Weaver and the Greens.

Now the Federal Greens are kooks, but I could swallow the BC Greens because they divested themselves from the Federal Greens and its anti-Israel policies. I like Andrew Weaver (my Father's MLA by happenstance) and support the Greens position on scrapping Site C.....despite opposing them on their stance on other resource development projects, including pipelines.

I just think the BC Liberals need a time out so they can divest themselves of Clark......in my perfect world a Liberal or NDP minority would be whats needed.....just enough to toss Clark, well preventing the NDP from turning the Province into a dumpster fire.

What do you think will happen versus what should happen?

[BC_chick]

Christy and the whole lot need to go. 15 years is ways too long for a government to stay in power and I say this about any government. As much as I was a die-hard Liberal supporter throughout the 90's, I knew in 2005 that the time had come for change. Granted, I thought it'd be a quick shuffle (not 9 years), but as the candidates got more and more abysmal, it became evident that their time out is serious. I heard a lot of Conservative supporters say the say thing about Harper. No matter how much you loved him, or at least considered him better than the rest, I think many knew the time had come.

Anyway, I digress, the pendulum NEEDS to swing. CC is acting as arrogantly as Chretien circa 1999. They let the real estate issue get abhorrently out of hand, saying foreign buyers only make up 5% of the buyers in their estimates, and lo and behold, election year they bring in the tax. And worse yet, they did it practically overnight, not even honouring existing contracts. That was such a shyster move, and now they have class actions to deal with.

The market is starting to cool off, but with a 2 million dollar bubble, it really is too little too late. On the flip-side the tax screwed over their base. Their net worth is going to shrink and the economy will take a hit. Their base isn't happy and their adversaries are even less happy.

Granted, there will always be the many like you, Derek who could never vote NDP over things that happened a decade and a half ago, so that's probably the best thing they have going for them.

Green party is a protest vote, I don't care what anyone says, this is a FPTP system. It sounds like you are where I was after Dion, where I don't care if I 'waste' my vote. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the viable parties. Trudeau included.

I would love to see the NDP get this one. It's been a long enough time, Dix and all his baggage is gone. I'd love to see CC get the well-deserved purge and allow for someone else to take the helm for a while.

Edited September 21, 2016 by BC_chick

[dialamah]

She has had a good run, the province has done well for the most part. I suspect that will change somewhat over the next few years, regardless of who is elected. I think a change would be good, though, because all parties seem to start thinking they are invincible and omnipotent if they are in power too long.

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah, we haven't been bent over by the NDP in a while.

I know some BC-ers look forward...

[eyeball]

The government will still be around in any case.

[msj]

BC is doing too well right now which takes away some of the worry of the "socialist horde."

I'm hoping that the Vancouver real estate market will go through a popping process over the next several months/years which will bring enough doubt back so that people come to their senses and realize that there are two options: Liberal or NDP.

Pick your poison accordingly.

Lets hope you don't pick NDP.

[BC_chick]

What do you have against the NDP? Still mad about what the former leadership did 15 years ago or just in general you don't ever support NDP governments?

[msj]

Provincially I do not support the NDP.

Barrett brought in some good legislation, no doubt. And the Socreds deserved to get kicked out.

Harcourt was ok.

Clark was a disaster.

As for the Liberals - other than not liking Christy Clark, they still look much better than the NDP and this Horgan guy.

No, scratch that - despite despising Clark she is still better than Horgan.

[Derek 2.0]

Granted, there will always be the many like you, Derek who could never vote NDP over things that happened a decade and a half ago, so that's probably the best thing they have going for them.

Oh thats the least of my worries with the BC NDP, I'm far more concerned with what they would do.....not what their party did........as I said, John Horgan is my MLA and I have no doubt if I had two votes he would still be returned to Victoria....

Green party is a protest vote,

Likewise the BC Liberals not receiving several thousand dollars from my wife and I in the form of donations and annual membership dues.......instead we're donating the same amount to Weaver and one of the ridings up Island where the Greens might be able to dislodge an NDP MLA....

We don't look at it as a protest vote, if in a small way we can help the Greens double (or triple) their seat total.....who knows, they could hold the balance of power in a minority Government.....

I would love to see the NDP get this one. It's been a long enough time, Dix and all his baggage is gone. I'd love to see CC get the well-deserved purge and allow for someone else to take the helm for a while.

Dix might not be leader, but the policies that lost him the election are still there.......

[PIK]

Is there a PC party?

[Derek 2.0]

Is there a PC party?

Nope, the BC Liberals are a mix of Federal Liberals, conservatives (including the Progressive sort) and namely the base that made up Social Credit.......there is a "BC Conservative Party" but they are like a mix of Wild Rose and Tea Party and don't have a hope in hell of forming Government and next to zero chance to win a seat, except perhaps in a few social conservative ridings in the Fraser Valley outside of Vancouver.

[Vega]

Yeah, I can't see how the NDP will lose this election, even though they have had the ball snatched away at the last moment before. Part of me will miss Clark because she had a certain style that was appealing, but her government probably needs to go and almost certainly will.

[BC_chick]

I would be very surprised if Liberals lose the throne.  BC'ers seem to have become like Albertans in their one-party predilections.

 

[Vega]

2 hours ago, BC_chick said:

I would be very surprised if Liberals lose the throne.  BC'ers seem to have become like Albertans in their one-party predilections.

 

 

I would think that too, but BC just isn't Alberta. I would hope it's just an issue of poor leaders and their "leadership".

[-1=e^ipi]

So BCers want to get rid of the most competent provincial government in the country (which, admittedly, isn't saying much)?

[overthere]

BC deserves the NDP.

 

They loathe prosperity there.

[eyeball]

We loath prosperity? Ha...I did not know that.

[BC_chick]

On 10/10/2016 at 9:42 AM, -1=e^ipi said:

So BCers want to get rid of the most competent provincial government in the country (which, admittedly, isn't saying much)?

Vancouver has become a pathetic joke under this leadership and we make up nearly half of the province's population.  

 

[overthere]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We loath prosperity? Ha...I did not know that.

For an outsider, it seems that a couple times every generation after a period of prosperity you are obliged to return the NDP to govt.  A few years later you regain collective consciousness and emerge from the darkness.....

[taxme]

On ‎2016‎-‎09‎-‎21 at 1:14 AM, Derek 2.0 said:

Well, eight months out now and Clark is already attempting to bribe voters with their own money and we've got our first poll:

Though there is still plenty of time, and despite polling right up to the last election saying the NDP would win, something like the above is what I think will happen next Spring.

I've voted Social Credit and then BC Liberals in every election since 1983, but I highly doubt that I'll be voting for the Liberals this time around......I've never liked Clark, despite voting for her party during the last election, but I'm truly fed up with her and her inner circle and its ties to the Ontario and Federal Liberals.....I'm of the opinion that the Liberals need to loose an election to get rid of her (or drop a house on her) and her cadre.

Now I know the NDP will be a disaster, and I would never vote for them (nor does it mater well living on Vancouver Island, in the leaders riding, the safest of safe seats for the BC NDP), nor would I vote for the kooks in the BC Fraser Valley Conservative Party..........that leaves me with Andrew Weaver and the Greens.

Now the Federal Greens are kooks, but I could swallow the BC Greens because they divested themselves from the Federal Greens and its anti-Israel policies. I like Andrew Weaver (my Father's MLA by happenstance) and support the Greens position on scrapping Site C.....despite opposing them on their stance on other resource development projects, including pipelines.

I just think the BC Liberals need a time out so they can divest themselves of Clark......in my perfect world a Liberal or NDP minority would be whats needed.....just enough to toss Clark, well preventing the NDP from turning the Province into a dumpster fire.

What do you think will happen versus what should happen?

Not very good for the Federal Greens to be dropping the BC Greens just because they have a different point of view about Israel. But like all political party's everybody must be of the same politically correct zombie like mind and way of thinking. Canadians have had their chances to get rid of the rigged party system and all pretty much have said no and nixed that idea. Personally, I don't think that there are too many Canadians who understand politics and how it works nor cares because they just keep voting in people who always keep giving them the finger. The fake media pretty much does the voting for them. Just my opinion of course.

[overthere]

If BC elects the NDP, which is very likely...Alberta needs to Build A Wall.

 

There will be .... yet again... hordes of snotty economic refugees assaulting our job banks and homeless centers.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, overthere said:

If BC elects the NDP, which is very likely...Alberta needs to Build A Wall.

That would sure make it easier to keep pipelines out.

I suppose you'll be expecting BC to pay for Thev Great Wall of Alberta?

[overthere]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That would sure make it easier to keep pipelines out.

I suppose you'll be expecting BC to pay for Thev Great Wall of Alberta?

What pipelines???

Oh, you're one of those that thinks that any pipelines will actually get built. hahahahaha.  I noticed today that Barnum and Bailey Circus is folding, but their motto of "There's a sucker born every minute' lives on in perfect health..

 

I can see the ad in the Wall Street Journal now:

Wanted: Stupid investors with $15 billion+ willing to wait a few decades  while CDN government checks on veto status on pipelines of every  hamlet, person, First Nations Band and Podunk politician in the country.  Must be Diverse"

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, overthere said:

What pipelines???

Oh, you're one of those that thinks that any pipelines will actually get built. hahahahaha.  I noticed today that Barnum and Bailey Circus is folding, but their motto of "There's a sucker born every minute' lives on in perfect health..

 

I can see the ad in the Wall Street Journal now:

Wanted: Stupid investors with $15 billion+ willing to wait a few decades  while CDN government checks on veto status on pipelines of every  hamlet, person, First Nations Band and Podunk politician in the country.  Must be Diverse"

I'm really glad to hear you've already given up. That's great news.

[overthere]

I have not given up, just acknowledging defeat.  The difference is important to me.

 

All of us will have to endure a few years -and pay for-  the drama teacher in Ottawa going through the national theater production of pretending that the situation is otherwise.  And then the harsh, cold reality of the impact it will have on our economy will  settle in.  If I was a millennial, I'd be absol;ytuely furious at the mismanagement of our economy underway right now.  But their love affair with Trudeau is midstream.... Everybody is basking in the post coital glow of pillow time with Justin, the mighty economic tumour from that shared  cigarette has not mestastisized yet.