kimmy Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 4:15 PM, marcus said: 2) The whole Germany Arab 'sex mob' story turned out to be a big lie. Are you going to re-evaluate your thoughts because of another fake news which tries to portray migrants, Muslims in particular, to be the end of the world? The only "lie" is that it was Arabs. The overwhelming majority of them North African Muslims, particularly from Morocco. In the days and weeks following the atrocious incidents in Cologne and elsewhere, refugee supporters and Muslim apologists claimed vindication when the arrest records indicated that only a few of those accused were Syrian refugees... as if Syrians and refugees were the only Muslims in Germany. Well, they aren't. Germany has a huge number of "lifestyle tourists" from the Maghreb countries-- Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco. Particularly Morocco, for some reason. They are almost exclusively young and male, and file bogus refugee claims in Germany because they've heard everybody in Germany gets a good job and a nice house and a nice car. Over 99% of these Maghreb refugee claims are rejected, because they're not actually fleeing war or persecution. But they stay in Germany anyway, because they feel like it and because Germany doesn't do anything to get rid of them. On 2/21/2017 at 7:49 PM, marcus said: And I'm sure they were all Arab Muslims. No, most of them were North African Muslims, as discussed. On 2/21/2017 at 7:49 PM, marcus said: Because sexual assaults are never done by the anglo-saxons. When Anglo-Saxons do commit sexual assaults, they're probably not doing it as part as of a mob of Muslim immigrants. They're probably not doing it as part of mobs at all, for that matter. I'm sure that if anglo-saxons were forming mobs and taking over train stations to molest women, that would make the news. -k 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 It wasn't all that long ago that crimes like rape, child molestation weren't considered by western nations as such a big deal. Bill Cosby. Catholic Church. The judge who asked a rape victim why she didn't just keep her knees together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: Why should we believe them? Sweden reacted to Trump's comment......how do we know these cops aren't being pressured to retract? Why should we believe the police and the cameramen? Why shouldn't we? Who is pressuring them? You want these anti-Muslim fake stories to be true so much that you're willing to go as far as to say that the policemen are lying and the people who shot the films are lying. You have no credibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, kimmy said: The only "lie" is that it was Arabs. The overwhelming majority of them North African Muslims, particularly from Morocco. So many that were arrested were from North Africa. Does this mean that not all Muslims are alike? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 7 hours ago, hot enough said: It wasn't all that long ago that crimes like rape, child molestation weren't considered by western nations as such a big deal. Bill Cosby. Catholic Church. What do you mean they weren't considered a big deal? Aren't they in the news? Aren't they highly publicized? Wasn't Cosby stripped of awards or things he was honoured with? Isn't he battling the allegations in court? Aren't there any documentaries made regarding the church? What do you want to see? Lynch mob? Quote The judge who asked a rape victim why she didn't just keep her knees together. Irrelevant. The judge paid for that stupid comment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, marcus said: Why should we believe the police and the cameramen? Why shouldn't we? Who is pressuring them? You want these anti-Muslim fake stories to be true so much that you're willing to go as far as to say that the policemen are lying and the people who shot the films are lying. You have no credibility. Why should we believe the cops who retracted? As explained above. Those new stories aren't fake. You're in denial. Since you're in denial, I'll be ignoring you unless you've got something worth responding to. Edited February 26, 2017 by betsy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, marcus said: So many that were arrested were from North Africa. Does this mean that not all Muslims are alike? Stop for a minute and think about what you just said there. On the contrary, yes your rationale suggests strongly that they're alike! You're supporting our argument. Coming from another country, and yet they're also charged with doing the same thing that other Muslims had done? Just shows you that it isn't about their origin or where they came from. They're still Muslims, aren't they? What do most, if not all raping migrants have in common, regardless of what country they came from? They're Muslims! Edited February 26, 2017 by betsy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, marcus said: Why should we believe the police and the cameramen? Why shouldn't we? Who is pressuring them? You want these anti-Muslim fake stories to be true so much that you're willing to go as far as to say that the policemen are lying and the people who shot the films are lying. You have no credibility. Read the following and weep! Quote Sweden Democrats: Trump was right Two leading Swedish politicians have a message for President Trump’s critics: He’s right. Per Jimmie Akesson and Mattias Karlsson, both leaders of the Sweden Democrats, penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Wednesday supporting Trump’s characterization of a Muslim immigrant-led crime crisis in Sweden. “Mr. Trump did not exaggerate Sweden’s current problems,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “If anything, he understated them.” “Riots and social unrest have become a part of everyday life,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “Police officers, firefighters and ambulance personnel are regularly attacked. Serious riots in 2013, involving many suburbs with large immigrant populations, lasted for almost a week. Gang violence is booming. Despite very strict firearms laws, gun violence is five times as common in Sweden, in total, as in the capital cities of our three Nordic neighbors combined.” They added: “Anti-Semitism has risen. Jews in Malmo are threatened, harassed and assaulted in the streets. Many have left the city, becoming internal refugees in their country of birth.” “For the sake of the American people,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote, “with whom we share so many strong historical and cultural ties, we can only hope that the leaders in Washington won’t make the same mistakes that our socialist and liberal politicians did.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html And here's the article they wrote for the Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-right-swedens-embrace-of-refugees-isnt-working-1487807010 Edited February 26, 2017 by betsy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Quote UK terror threat 'at highest since 1970s IRA plots' Max Hill QC, the independent reviewer of terrorism laws, told the Sunday Telegraph that Islamist extremists were targeting UK cities. He credited the effectiveness of the intelligence services in limiting the level of threat to Britain. Home Secretary Amber Rudd told ITV's Peston on Sunday that defending the UK was her "main priority". Mr Hill, who successfully prosecuted the failed 21/7 bombers and the killers of Damilola Taylor, said the so-called Islamic State was planning "indiscriminate attacks on innocent civilians of whatever race or colour" in UK cities, close to the scale of Provisional IRA attacks of the 1970s. He highlighted the numbers of British people travelling to Iraq and Syria to fight for IS. "It's an enormous concern that large numbers - we know this means at least hundreds of British citizens who have left this country in order to fight - are now returning or may be about to return". http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39093389 That was reported today on CTV. We better get used to this. We've got our own share of Canadians going outside of Canada to fight for ISIS. Edited February 26, 2017 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Denmark has its own problem. Quote Overnight riots in predominantly immigrant Stockholm suburb http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/overnight-riots-in-predominantly-immigrant-stockholm-suburb/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 3 hours ago, betsy said: The judge paid for that stupid comment. No, actually we are paying. He is battling the Judicial committee, and of course the public is funding that battle. Unlike the general public that might get some weak public defender for the primary trial, this judge is given top legal defense including all appeals. The system is sure rigged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ?Impact said: No, actually we are paying. He is battling the Judicial committee, and of course the public is funding that battle. Unlike the general public that might get some weak public defender for the primary trial, this judge is given top legal defense including all appeals. The system is sure rigged. The point being, he's facing the consequence of his stupid comment. There is a consequence. Bringing up the judge as a rebuttal was based on ignorance about what our issue is all about. Either that, or it's a typical desperate attempt at deflection by Islamic apologists - nothing more. Edited February 26, 2017 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 16 hours ago, hot enough said: It wasn't all that long ago that crimes like rape, child molestation weren't considered by western nations as such a big deal. Bill Cosby. Catholic Church. Rape has ALWAYS been considered a VERY big deal in the West, often in times past with a life sentence in prison. The difficulty has always been that women were too ashamed to testify, and that it was often a crime without evidence or witnesses, save the complainant, and it became his word vs hers. Child molestation wasn't taken seriously because no one actually understood what it meant. Society did not understand pedophilia and couldn't wrap its collective mind around there being people who wanted to have sex with little kids not because they were stoned and drunk but just because they liked it. To put things in perspective, a British columnist spoke of when she and her little sisters were posted to Turkey with their dad, and how, they were groped and molested right in front of the presidential palace by men. The presidential guards, seeing this, laughed, and jeered and pushed their crotches out at the girls, who were between 12-17. I cannot imagine at what time in our history you think such behavior in the West would have been so openly tolerated and even encouraged by authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 4 hours ago, ?Impact said: No, actually we are paying. He is battling the Judicial committee, and of course the public is funding that battle. Unlike the general public that might get some weak public defender for the primary trial, this judge is given top legal defense including all appeals. The system is sure rigged. And yet, though his remarks got the acquittal tossed, and forced a new trial with a new judge, the new judge also acquitted the accused... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) On 2/26/2017 at 2:55 AM, betsy said: Why should we believe the cops who retracted? They didn't "retract". I appreciate if you pay attention to what you're responding to. The police officers have said that the filmmaker has lied in how he has edited the film: "The interview was about something completely different to what Fox News and Horowitz were talking about” Not only that, but the two cameraemn that worked with Ami Horowitz are also saying the same thing. Yet, you are not willing to accept that you're spreading fake news.. Edited February 27, 2017 by marcus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Matthew Fisher has always been one of my favorite columnists. His take on Sweden is that things are not going well there at all. The Swedes have not been able to assimilate the Muslims who came there, and those Muslims do not consider themselves Swedish. I spent a lot of time in Sweden in my twenties and was back there again twice in the past 15 months. Things are definitely not going well in that once famously progressive and tolerant society. I was thunderstruck to see that Malmo, the city I know best, is beset today with raw ethnic tensions between what Quebecers might call “Old Stock Swedes” and newcomers, especially from Iraq and now Syria. The shift in mood and outlook in Malmo has been profound. Old friends there told me there are districts in the city where they now seldom venture. They feel uncomfortable and unwelcome because Arabic and Islamic dress and culture predominate. And the newcomers told me exactly the same thing about how they felt when they left their neighbourhoods. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/matthew-fisher-trump-was-wrong-on-the-details-but-right-about-problems-in-sweden 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 46 minutes ago, Argus said: Matthew Fisher has always been one of my favorite columnists. Good article and believable for me because it comes across as balanced rather than hysterical. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 So according to Matthew Fisher, President Trump is right even when he is wrong. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) Multiculturalism is a failure, haven't these people herd? Edited March 2, 2017 by OftenWrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 20 hours ago, Argus said: Matthew Fisher has always been one of my favorite columnists. Matthew "there's a god damn commie under my bed I tell you" Fisher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Asylum-seekers from Syria that's been arrested in Germany: Quote Germany arrests 2 Syrian extremist suspects https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-arrests-2-syrian-extremists-1-accused-war-095947517.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) They got Iraqui rapists guilty of gang-raping during New Year's Eve more than a year ago. This one happened in Austria. Quote Eight Iraqis guilty of gang-raping German tourist in Austria http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/02/eight-iraqis-guilty-of-gang-raping-german-tourist-in-austria Edited March 2, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 49 minutes ago, betsy said: They got Iraqui rapists guilty of gang-raping during New Year's Eve more than a year ago. This one happened in Austria. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/02/eight-iraqis-guilty-of-gang-raping-german-tourist-in-austria I wonder, did any of these Iraqis see their female and/or male relatives or friends raped by the illegal invading bands of westerners? Do you wonder, Betsy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 6 hours ago, hot enough said: Matthew "there's a god damn commie under my bed I tell you" Fisher? Matthew 'I've been a respected international journalist for decades and the only people who question me are conspiracy loonies" Fisher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 hours ago, hot enough said: I wonder, did any of these Iraqis see their female and/or male relatives or friends raped by the illegal invading bands of westerners? Do you wonder, Betsy? So you're saying we should shoot all Iraqis at the border because they're coming here to rape our women? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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