Zionism's influence over Western politics

[marcus]

It's not a surprise that criticism of Israel and Zionism receives so much resistance. This is how it has always been. Whether it's in politics (see politicians who have lost their jobs), to the media (see media personal who have lost their jobs) and now we're seeing it here, on the internet, which is the newest platform for people to share their ideas.

Usually, any debate on the problems with Israel and Zionism is met with empty screams of anti-semitism and other personal attacks. There is always an urgency to shut down the debate. On this forum, there are three posts that have been locked due to the usual characters engaging in personal attacks which have led to shutting down debate. These three threads happen to be about Israel:

Zionism's influence over Western politics

Israeli War Crimes

Why is criticizm of Israel considered Anti-semitism?

From the previous thread:

This control is certainly true when it comes to the U.S. There are countless Israeli/Zionist lobby groups and agenda driven, so-called think tanks, backed by billionaires (Like Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban) who are using their billions to control who gets to be a politician and what kind of ideas are acceptable to be discussed when it comes to foreign policy.

The phenomenon now gathering around Bernie Sanders is much deeper and much wider and it has reached a critical mass that can no longer be purchased, silenced, intimidated, or corrupted by rich Zionists like Haim Saban or certified idiots like George Clooney --this grassroots foundation of a far more progressive politics informs the BDS movement and there is very little that Hillary Clinton, Haim Saban, or the New York Times can do to change that demographic fact in order to sustain in power the racist apartheid settler colony of Israel and enable it to continue to steal the rest of Palestine, murder more Palestinians, and systematically destabilize the Arab and Muslim world --

To learn how the Israeli lobby and Haim Saban in particular are ganging up against Congresswoman Edwards go here:
mondoweiss.net/2016/04/donna-edwardss-campaign-unsettles-the-israel-lobby-inside-the-democratic-party/

To learn more specifically about Haim Saban's determination to defeat Congresswoman Edwards go here:
https://theintercept...nd-senate-race/

To learn more about Congresswoman Edwards' own extraordinary story go here:
http://www.thenation...to-change-that/

Edited June 4, 2016 by marcus

[marcus]

Zionism has substantial power over the most powerful military in the world. Without the influence over U.S., there would be no $3+ billion a year of military weapons donated to Israel to brutalize Palestinians. Without the power over U.S., Israel would be in international court, battling resolutions after resolutions and international sanctions would be applied on Israel at a faster pace.

With their money and their long established place in American politics and the millions the Zionist lobby pours into manufacturing the consent of Americans, what do you expect.

But then again, despite the heavy marketing by the Zionist lobby and the heavily influenced mainstream media and the successful censorship of the opposing viewpoint, Pew Forum did another survey a few years back and:

Americans overall were fairly evenly divided as to whether the U.S. should support Israel over the Palestinians: 35% agreed, while 38% disagreed, with 27% expressing no opinion. If anything, slightly more Americans believe that the U.S. should not support Israel over the Palestinians than believe that it should.

I love these Pew Forum surveys, like this one which compares U.S. Jews and Israeli Jews:

But far more American than Israeli Jews say “leading an ethical and moral life” (69% vs. 47%) and “working for justice and equality” (56% vs. 27%) are vital to being Jewish.

[marcus]

Here is more information from other posters from the thread that has been locked:

Here is Hillary's Israeli Firster bankroller, Saban's contribution in just one year:

Saban and his wife, Cheryl, are Hillary Clinton’s top financial backers, having given $2,046,600 to support her political campaigns and at least $10 million more to the Clinton Foundation, on whose board Cheryl Saban sits.

Really?

Check out the conspiracy theories here, from Saban himself:

An extensive New Yorker profile of Saban recalls how Saban publicly described his “three ways to be influential in American politics” in 2009. One was political donations. Another was establishing think tanks (he founded the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution in 2002). And the third wascontrolling media outlets.

Pro-Israel? YOU BETCHA! Controlling Politics? OOOOOH YEAH!

The New York Times reported in 2009 that Saban was apparently part of a scheme before the 2006 Democratic takeover of Congress in which Saban would threaten then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi that he would withhold donations if Pelosi didn’t make then-Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., chair of the House Intelligence Committee. (In return, according to the Times report, which was based on telephone calls intercepted by the National Security Agency, Harman would lobby the Bush administration for leniency for two pro-Israel lobbyists under investigation for espionage. Harman denied ever speaking to the Justice Department about the case, but did not address whether she contacted any White House officials.)

What does this billionaire who controls Hillary Clinton think, as according to himself?

“I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.”

On top of that, and Sheldon Adelson, the Republican bankroller, you also have the countless Pro-Israel lobby groups. Here is a chart showing Pro-Israel donation to both the democrats and republicans, which gives you a pretty good idea of the influence they can buy.

[marcus]

More on Saban, Clintons and AIPAC:

Saban has become a household name in Democratic politics, thanks to his persistent support for the Clintons. Through the years, Saban has contributed an estimated $30 million to their political campaigns and has become a close friend of the ultimate power couple. The Clintons are frequent guests at his annual Saban Forum, which meets in Washington to discuss U.S.-Israel relations.

Saban is a major donor of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and of Friends of the Israel Defense Forces. Until recently, he was the key funder of the Israeli American Council, which was founded to organize Israeli expatriates living in the United States.

Haaretz

The Israel-Firster billionaire Haim Saban funds Democrats and the Israel-Firster billionaire Sheldon Adelson funds the Republicans. Many of these politicians know not to bite the hand that feeds them, so they will say what they are told to say about Israel.

The facts speak for themselves, Haim Saban, who has said: "I'm a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.", is Clinton's top financial backer.

Here is a link to Clintons' top donors. It's not from a wordpress site, it's from Washington Post and it makes no mention of any Iranians.

[bush_cheney2004]

Zionism has substantial power over the most powerful military in the world.

The most powerful military in the world is "Zionism"...they are one and the same. That's why Canada and many other nations cling to it for "collective security".

[Shady]

I'm more worried about Islam's influence on western society.

[-TSS-]

I'm more worried about Islam's influence on western society.

Me too. Or is the current seemingly uncontrollable invasion into Europe another Zionist conspiracy as some quarters have suggested? Nah, I don't think so. On the other hand, it is perfectly possible.

[Queenmandy85]

I'm more worried about the power and influence of China, Russia, and the United States.

[eyeball]

I'm just worried about power - whoever's hands it's in.

[Argus]

It's not a surprise that criticism of Israel and Zionism receives so much resistance. This is how it has always been.

Not always. But people have gotten sensitive to certain mentalities since Hitler came on the scene, and know they need to be stomped on before they grow.

[Argus]

Zionism has substantial power over the most powerful military in the world. Without the influence over U.S., there would be no $3+ billion a year of military weapons donated to Israel to brutalize Palestinians.

Doesn't the US give billions to Egypt too? Is that because of the Jews, as well?

[bush_cheney2004]

The U.S. "gives" more money to Afghanistan...so Afghanistan must control the U.S. government more than Israel.

[marcus]

Doesn't the US give billions to Egypt too? Is that because of the Jews, as well?

The U.S. "gives" more money to Afghanistan...so Afghanistan must control the U.S. government more than Israel.

I am curious if you guys don't actually know the dynamics or you are pretending that you don't know.

The $1 billion given to Egypt is to keep control over the dictators in power now. In turn, the dictators will continue to avoid democracy so that groups like Muslim Brotherhood are not elected by the masses. There is also the Egypt/Gaza border, which U.S. expects Egypt to control in favour of Israel.

The billions given to Afghanistan is for so-called infrastructure and security. Much of it is wasted or stolen and the rest go to American contractors 'rebuilding' Afghanistan.

Israel which is considered a wealthy nation receives the welfare money from the American people because the Zionist lobby has many of the lawmakers under their influence through the millions they contribute to their elections. It's a simple formula.

Here is an example of the influence the Zionist lobby has:

The New York Times reported in 2009 that Saban was apparently part of a scheme before the 2006 Democratic takeover of Congress in which Saban would threaten then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi that he would withhold donations if Pelosi didn’t make then-Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., chair of the House Intelligence Committee. (In return, according to the Times report, which was based on telephone calls intercepted by the National Security Agency, Harman would lobby the Bush administration for leniency for two pro-Israel lobbyists under investigation for espionage. Harman denied ever speaking to the Justice Department about the case, but did not address whether she contacted any White House officials.)

The NYT. Another anti-semite media outlet.

[bush_cheney2004]

...I am curious if you guys don't actually know the dynamics or you are pretending that you don't know.

No worries...we know...and support the "dynamics" as well. I am curious and entertained by the notion that your point of view should prevail over U.S. foreign policy instead.

[taxme]

It's not a surprise that criticism of Israel and Zionism receives so much resistance. This is how it has always been. Whether it's in politics (see politicians who have lost their jobs), to the media (see media personal who have lost their jobs) and now we're seeing it here, on the internet, which is the newest platform for people to share their ideas.

Usually, any debate on the problems with Israel and Zionism is met with empty screams of anti-semitism and other personal attacks. There is always an urgency to shut down the debate. On this forum, there are three posts that have been locked due to the usual characters engaging in personal attacks which have led to shutting down debate. These three threads happen to be about Israel:

Zionism's influence over Western politics

Israeli War Crimes

Why is criticizm of Israel considered Anti-semitism?

From the previous thread:

This control is certainly true when it comes to the U.S. There are countless Israeli/Zionist lobby groups and agenda driven, so-called think tanks, backed by billionaires (Like Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban) who are using their billions to control who gets to be a politician and what kind of ideas are acceptable to be discussed when it comes to foreign policy.

The phenomenon now gathering around Bernie Sanders is much deeper and much wider and it has reached a critical mass that can no longer be purchased, silenced, intimidated, or corrupted by rich Zionists like Haim Saban or certified idiots like George Clooney --this grassroots foundation of a far more progressive politics informs the BDS movement and there is very little that Hillary Clinton, Haim Saban, or the New York Times can do to change that demographic fact in order to sustain in power the racist apartheid settler colony of Israel and enable it to continue to steal the rest of Palestine, murder more Palestinians, and systematically destabilize the Arab and Muslim world --

To learn how the Israeli lobby and Haim Saban in particular are ganging up against Congresswoman Edwards go here:

mondoweiss.net/2016/04/donna-edwardss-campaign-unsettles-the-israel-lobby-inside-the-democratic-party/

To learn more specifically about Haim Saban's determination to defeat Congresswoman Edwards go here:

https://theintercept...nd-senate-race/

To learn more about Congresswoman Edwards' own extraordinary story go here:

http://www.thenation...to-change-that/

There are zionist trolls that monitor every website, social media, TV, radio or newspaper that is out there. And if there is any talk that sounds critical of Israel, zionism or Judaism those mentioned above will get it's usual trolls who will try to shut any discussion or debate or report down. It kind of reminds me of people who have, and in some instances still do, live in a communist country where each district had it's communist snitch who would report anyone who dared to question or criticize anything the government says or does to the communist government secret police. At least that is what I read one time on the internet. And it may be true because anyone can criticize any country or it's government leaders and no one really would care all that much. The only country that one cannot seem to be able to criticize is Israel or Judaism, and out come the trolls. Hey, you never know.

[taxme]

Doesn't the US give billions to Egypt too? Is that because of the Jews, as well?

Just curious. Why do you give a hoot about Israel anyway? Do you give a hoot about Sweden?

Edited June 4, 2016 by taxme

[bush_cheney2004]

Just curious. Why do you give a hoot about Israel anyway? Do you give a hoot about Sweden?

Why do some Canadians worry so much about U.S. support for Israel anyway ?

[taxme]

The U.S. "gives" more money to Afghanistan...so Afghanistan must control the U.S. government more than Israel.

Just curious. Why do you give a hoot about Israel anyway? Do you give a hoot about Estonia and what goes on there?

[taxme]

Why do some Canadians worry so much about U.S. support for Israel anyway ?

Answer my question first.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just curious. Why do you give a hoot about Israel anyway? Do you give a hoot about Estonia and what goes on there?

Yes...yes I do..and my tax dollars flow accordingly. A super power's job is never done. Canada gets to watch.

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/l/58/Estonia

Edited June 4, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

Why do some Canadians worry so much about U.S. support for Israel anyway ?

For the same reason some Americans get bent out of shape over networks of terror.

[bush_cheney2004]

For the same reason some Americans get bent out of shape over networks of terror.

That's why Canada gets even more U.S. military support than Israel....must be Canadian "Zionism".

[Argus]

There are zionist trolls that monitor every website, social media, TV, radio or newspaper that is out there.

This is part of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy you guys read about so much on the internet, right?

[Argus]

Just curious. Why do you give a hoot about Israel anyway? Do you give a hoot about Sweden?

I have an interest in the well-being of civilized countries. There are so few of them out there amidst the jumble of violence, barbarism, dictatorships and theocracies.

[ironstone]

Just curious. Why do you give a hoot about Israel anyway? Do you give a hoot about Sweden?

I personally care a lot about the only true democracy in the middle east.I think the West should stand by Israel.