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Wrong? Lo. What is the difference between a Muslim who migrates to Palestine and pushes people out who live on the land and a Jew who supposedly does the same? In your world only Jews did it. So again you show how devoid of any credibility you are when it comes to discussing the origins of the land claims.

There is no difference, but please go on like there is a difference (via Jew standpoint)

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What is the difference between a Muslim who migrates to Palestine and pushes people out and pushes people out who live on the land and a Jew who supposedly does the same?

You are reaching and it's one of your more awkward reaches. Muslims came and displaced other Muslims in Palestine?

Love the use of the word "supposedly". Like the European Jews did not come and displace people from their homes in Palestine. Right. Okay.

How can one have a debate with you when you try to introduce a scenario that never happened?

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You are reaching and it's one of your more awkward reaches. Muslims came and displaced other Muslims in Palestine?

Love the use of the word "supposedly". Like the European Jews did not come and displace people from their homes in Palestine. Right. Okay.

How can one have a debate with you when you try to introduce a scenario that never happened?

Uhhhh....yeah. The Mufti called for Arabs to move to the Mandate to counter the rising number of Jews arriving. All that 'Third Most Holy Place In Islam' jazz that even the Muslim world had forgotten.

Racists believe that the Middle East should be free of Jews. Including in their ancient homeland.

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You are reaching and it's one of your more awkward reaches. Muslims came and displaced other Muslims in Palestine?

Love the use of the word "supposedly". Like the European Jews did not come and displace people from their homes in Palestine. Right. Okay.

How can one have a debate with you when you try to introduce a scenario that never happened?

You don't debate. You avoid debating. You made the statement that Muslims from outside Palestine who moved to Palestine

are automatically Palestinian and did not displace Palestinians but Jews from outside Palestine who moved there automatically

had to have displaced pre-existing Palestinians and could and can never be Palestinians, especially Palestinians who choose to

have a Jewish nation.

You were asked to explain your double standard and you have not. You asked me to provide evidence for Muslims coming to

Palestine and how they automatically and magically in your world are deemed Palestinian and not distinguished from the

Palestinians living there before them. You provided no rebuttal.

Instead you repeat again your double standard with zero proof to explain how it is when a Muslim comes to Palestine from outside it

they automatically are defined a Palestinian but if a Jew does it they are labelled a colonial invader.

You have no answer. All you have is bigoted assumptions, double standards that you can't defend and in your world you can't even

begin to defend so you just deny.

Your m.o on this thread is no different than the others who started it and then disappear when they can't back up their allegations.

Its easy to come on this board as you have done and others and trot out the same canned script, the same stale, illogical,

bigoted canards None of you however back up what you allege.

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Here is what Marcus can not and I would argue has no idea how to respond to when he claims Muslims who came to Palestine from outside Palestine are Palestinian, and never displaced anyone but Jews automatically are outsides who can never be considered natives to the land and must have displaced people illegally when they got to Palestine.

Keep in mind I provided sources for my positions and Marcus has none for his alleged allegations. Keep in mind when I do provide sources to repudiate

the false allegations spread on this thread the answer from Eye et al, oh they don't read more than one line from me but of course they will read more than one line from anyone they agree with. That's the kind of petulance one deals with. If you repeat what these anti Israelis want to hear, suddenly they have an attention span.

Today's Palestinians are in fact immigrants from the : "Balkans, Greece, Syria, Latin countries, , Egypt, Turkey, Armenia, Italy, Iran, The Kurdish lands, Germany, Afghanistan ,the Circassian region, Bosnia, Sudan, Somalia Algeria, Motawila, Tartar regions, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians, Copts, Maronites, to name a few

source: DeHass, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69.

It is a fact there are villages populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire in the 19th century.

It is a fact there are villages of Bosnians, Circassians, and Egyptians.

source: Parkes, James William, History of the Peoples of Palestine, Hammondsworth, Great Britain, 1970, p. 212.

It is a fact there are large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece, and Italy, Turkomen settlers, a fairly large Afghan colony, Motawila, immigrants from Persia, tribes of Kurds, a Bosnian colony, Circassian settlements, a large Algerian element, Sudan.

source: Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1911 ed.

It is a f act that Ibrahim Pasha, the 1831 Egyptian conquerer of Palestine left behind colonies of Egyptians at Besian, Nablus, Irbid, Acre, and Jaffa.

source: Ernst Frankenstein, Justice For My People, London, Nicholson and Watson, 1943, p. 127.

It is a fact in In 1860, entire Algerian tribes immigrated en masse to Safed. T

source: De Haas, Jacob, History of Palestine, The Last Two Thousand Years, New York, 1934, p. 425.

The British Consul Hames Finn stated,

"I learn of the arrival of about 6,000 of the Beni Sukhr Arabs at Tiberias who are very seldom seen this side of the Jordan."

source: Papers Relating to the Distubances in Syria, no. 2, June 1860, p. 35.

It is a fact that after 1870, Turkey plaxed Circassians in colonies in Palestine.

source: Smith, CG in Studies on Palestine During the Ottoman Period, Jerusalem, 1975, p. 93.

Winston Churchill states in 1922:

"The Arabs would have sat in the dark forever had not the Zionist engineers harnessed the Jordan river for electrification. Now they swarm into Palestine in seeking the light."

source: speech,, 1922. "A Peace to End All Peace"

The Palestinian Royal Comission Rreport issued in London in 1937 stated:

"This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery."

Again in a speech in 1939 Churchill stated:

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

The above is something all the arm chair geniuses on this forum who claim Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine do not

have a clue on and it proves crystal clear there is no Palestinian. They were all immigrants no different than Jews.

I( know this because I lived in Israel and I know Palestinians. They don't hide their origins. They don't claim to be any different than Jews.

If they are born there its all they know. They know where they once came from as wel. They don't hide it any more than Jews do that they

may have come from Europe or Arab countries or India.

What crap. What crap spewed by non Palestinians who know nothing about them trying to exploit them and their name to attack

and engage in anti Israel, anti Jewish venom.

Yes some of us know the difference between Jordanian, Palestinian, Egyptian, Arabic.

Yes some of us know what the names mean and where they originate:

"Masri" = from Egypt-Hamas member of Parliament, Mushir al-Masri (the word "masri" littelery means "the egyptian" in arabic !).
"Khamis"= Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis" "al-Faruqi"= Mosul, Iraq
"al-Araj" = Morocco, a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj"
"al Lubnani" = the Lebanese
"al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan (Maghreb" – meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco)
"al-Djazair" = the Algerian
"al-Yamani" = the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani"
"al-Afghani" = the Afghan
"al-Hindi" = the Indian "Amin al-Hindi"
"Iraqi" = from Iraq.
"halabi" = from Aleppo, Syria
"El Baghdadi" = from Baghdad Iraq.
"Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon.
"Hourani" = Houran Syria.
"al-Husayni" = Saudi Arabia.
"Saudi" = Saudi Arabia.
"Metzarwah"= Egypt.
"Barda---wil" = "Salah Bardawil" HAMAS legislator in Gaza; Egypt, Bardawil Lake area.
"Nashashibi" = Syria.
"Bushnak" = Bosnia
"zoabi"= from Iraq: "Haneen Zoabi".
"Turki" = Turkey "Daud Turki"
"al-Kurd" = Kurdistan.
"Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs.
"Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins)
"Arab al shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins)

Ask any Palestinian. Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt but lied and claimed to be born in Jerusalem. He died speaking with an Egyptian Arabic acent.

It is a fact \he was born in Cairo in 1929. It is a fact he served in the Egyptian army, went to the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956.

His actiual ame was Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini.

This change to the name "Yasser Arafat" is all part of the fabricated myth. This is a man who stated publically and repeatedly up until he was deported from Jordan after he failed to take over the country in the Black Sabbath uprising of 1967 and repeated in his authorized biography that and I quote, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them."

I provided all the above in a previous post. You will never see on this thread or any anti Israeli thread any of the panel of experts, Big Guy, Eye, Hudson Jones, Marcus, Kactus, Ghost, be able to provide evidence contradicting the above, they can not.

They depend on people being ignorant of the origins of both Jews and Palestinians so they can spin this fabricated like that only Jews came from

outside Palestine.

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Have Marcus deny the following: It is a fact that both the then British Prime Minister MacDonald and President Roosevelt confirmed this mass Arab migration to Palestine as early 1918.

In fact in 1946 Bartley C. Crum, then a United States Government observer, stated that that tens of thousands of Arabs had entered Palestine because as he stated, "because of this better life—and they were still coming."

Go on have Marcus et al deny that up to 75 percent of the Arab population were either immigrants or descendants of immigrants into the Land after 1882.

Have them deny the influx of Arabs.

Have them explain why Ahmed Shukairy, the first head of the PLO stated to the Security Council and I quote,

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."

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So Shimon Peres, who many consider to be a war criminal, is being buried and the Canadian government officials are attending. This "settlements everywhere" proponent started the faulty policy that Israel continues to follow:

Peres

Shimon was also instrumental in Israel stealing the technology for the nuclear bombs from the USA. I can see the Israelis trying to honor Shimon but have no idea why any other nation should.

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To understand the origins of the conflict on the West Bank and with Israel, one must have some kind of understanding of

the history of the area.

The pro Palestinian movement today depends on you remaining ignorant of that history.

Today the Palestinian terror cells and propaganda wings of the PA et al fabricate. They out and out lie depending on your

lack of awareness of the history of the region.

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The core of the Palestinian as people lie is in fact based on the claim that the Palestinian people have been settling in present-day Israel for thousands of years, well before the Jews arrived as "occupiers."

That lie must depend on you believing, the Palestinians, by virtue of their being descendants of the Canaanites, or the Philistines, or the Jebusites, are the real indigenous people of Cannan..

It is a fact however and you are asked to ignore it, that the early origins of the Arabs are people who immigrated to the land of Canaan and then turned it into a Muslim country displacing the people of Canaan already there/. They were never native to Canaan but they would have you believe they were always there. They came after others including the Jews/Hebrews had already lived there and that is proven fact.

The lie is absurd. It requires you to pretend no one lived in Canaan for thousands of years before Muslims showed up. It requires you re-invent thousands of years of history and pretend Canaanites are Arabs,

Because of that it requires for examples Christians do not believe Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. It requires instead you pretend he was a Muslim even though he lived 574 years before Muhammad was born and approximately 614 years before the creation of the Islamic faith.

Even Jewish historians agree, Jesus was a Rabbiah and was in fact preaching the Talmud particularly the concept of Teekam Olem-the concept of healing he world through individual positive actions. Jesus as healer comes right oiut of the Talmud principles of peope to be righteous must be born on a path to help others without accepting anything in return and when they do this, they set off a positive cascading phenomena that heals the world through

positive behaviour that feeds on other positive behaviour just as in reverse negative behaviour feeds on negative behaviour.

I do not mean to regress but to ignore the roots of Christianity and Judaism and their link back to Zorosatreanism and ignore all the other

peoples in Canaan prior to Muslims is ridiculous and that is exactly what the Palestinian myth asks you to do.

The Palestinian as people myth also requires you ignore the Quran because the Quaran contains no less than 10 passages which state that Allah "bequeathed the land to the Jewish people,"

Nowhere in the Quran does it talk of bequeathing this land to Muslims, Arabs, or Palestinians, or for that matter any other people other than Jews.

Anyone can go find out who the Canaanites, the Jebusites, and the the Anakites were and no they were not Muslim-Arab.

The myth of the Palestinian people/nation is in fact based on taking the Arab conquest of Palestine in 638 AD, as the starting point of history and ignoring anything prior to that. It also asks you to ignore anything after the 1,300 year occupartion by Muslims of Palestine starting in 638 AD. You must ignore any other migration of Muslim peoples and pretend only he people duringt he 1,300 year consecutive period after 638 lived in Palestine and procreated to what is today the people calling themselves Palestinian. It also aks you to pretend they had a government and a state.

Today as regular part of Palestinian curriculum children re taught Palestinians were the first people to live in Canaan.

How absurd is this myth?

Finally you ever wondered why so many Arab state flags are similar?

How about you ask the panel of Palestiian experts what the PLO flag is about. Right.

Well the white symbolizes the Umayyad caliphate (650-750 ad) not any Palestinian people. The black represents the Abbasid dynasty, again they were not Palestinian. The colour green Mummar Ghaddafi's favourite colour and so prominent on all Arab flags especially Saudi Arabia's represents the religion go Islam and the Shi'ite Fatimid caliphate, not Palestinians. The red is no not the blood of Jews, sorry to burst your bubble, its the color of the Hashemites, the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad.

This is exactly why the flags of Jordan, Iraq( up to 1958 until the Bath party changed it and made it similar tot he Syrian and Egyptian flags incorporating red, black and white from the Nazis) t Kuwait all use this design.

In fact red, white and green has always represented Arab nationalism not Palestinian nationals.

Go on have the panel of Palestinian experts explain how Palestinian were the e biblical Canaanites which is the pith and substance of the Palestinian as a people lie.

This is precisely why I have argued and still argue, it was in 1967 Arafat reinvented the term Palestinian to mean Arabs living on the West Bank, in

Gaza and in Palestinian refugee camps. Until then he and every other Palestinian leader ridiculed the notion of a Palestinian national.

They called themselves Arab nationalists, not Palestinians. They saw all of Israel, Jordan the West Bank and Gaza as part of a Muslim caliphate that should be connected and include Syria and Lebanon.

Syria's Bath part tried a United Arab Republic with Egypt and Iraq as a test ground to then consider further Arab state mergers. It blew up.

The fact is the only thing any Arab League nation has agreed on is there animosity towards he Jewish nation being created, other then that

there has never been any uniformity in the Arab nationality and all you have to do is read the biography of Gamel Abnel Nasser the modern reinventor

of Pan Arab nationalism to find out why.

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So Shimon Peres, who many consider to be a war criminal, is being buried and the Canadian government officials are attending. This "settlements everywhere" proponent started the faulty policy that Israel continues to follow:

Peres

Shimon was also instrumental in Israel stealing the technology for the nuclear bombs from the USA. I can see the Israelis trying to honor Shimon but have no idea why any other nation should.

It does not surprise me uyou focus away from the Palestinian as people myth. I know you have no clue how to respond to it.

You of course return to your usual m.o. engaging in insults and name calling, this time accusing Peres of being a war criminal but of course you have provide no evidence, no law, no section of any law.

Not one cite. Not one ounce of proof, not one legal section of any law.. Its what you do. Make allegations, name call, but you can't do much more than that. As I said you are a one trick pony. Once you throw out the insult or allegation, you have nothing else. Not a thing.

Never mind you have yet to provide any example of any war crime against Israel on this thread now because Peres died, you throw out crap at Peres. You back up what you say with an actual cite, source, law? Yah right.

You also pluralized yourself yet again. You use the reference "many" and claim these "many" consider Peres a a war criminal when you in fact or just one person and you are expressing your subjective opinion.

Do you intend to back up your latest attempt to deflect from the actual thread subject, with any evidence?

All you have done, yet again, is show how you use all your threads as a platform to piss on anything Israeli.

Your attack on Peres has nothing to do with the thread. Go on, just once finish what you started. Provide the military crime he engaged in.

Explain the law, the section of the law, and the evidence..

Can you do anything but make uncited, unfounded allegations?

Have you ever once done anything on this and other anti Israeli threads other than repeat your mantra over and over

that you hate anything Israeli or anyone or anything you think supports Israel?

Well?

Why do you only now decide to piss on Peres? Why did you wait until he's dead to piss on him?

What stopped you for weeks from starting a Peres is a bad Jew thread hmmmm?

Why do you wait until he's dead?

Yah I know you won't answer.

There's a good reason for that. There's a god reason to explain why some people wait until someone is dead

to attack them. I leave it to readers to conclude the reason for that and what it says about people who piss on

cadavers.

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So Shimon Peres, who many consider to be a war criminal, is being buried and the Canadian government officials are attending. This "settlements everywhere" proponent started the faulty policy that Israel continues to follow:

Peres

Shimon was also instrumental in Israel stealing the technology for the nuclear bombs from the USA. I can see the Israelis trying to honor Shimon but have no idea why any other nation should.

In the real world just about every politician is expected to pay homage and get on their knees in front of the God Zionist. Our Canadian politicians are no different. Our politicians know who the real boss is, and it ain't them or the peasant taxpayer. I think that Rue knows this but won't say anything.

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In the real world just about every politician is expected to pay homage and get on their knees in front of the God Zionist. Our Canadian politicians are no different. Our politicians know who the real boss is, and it ain't them or the peasant taxpayer. I think that Rue knows this but won't say anything.

Obersalzberg Dreaming, on such a Winter's day....

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In the real world just about every politician is expected to pay homage and get on their knees in front of the God Zionist. Our Canadian politicians are no different. Our politicians know who the real boss is, and it ain't them or the peasant taxpayer. I think that Rue knows this but won't say anything.

What Rue knows is people who engage in phrases like "God Zionist" and "real boss" engage in anti semitic conspiracy

utterances that show their agenda and level of communication.

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In the real world just about every politician is expected to pay homage and get on their knees in front of the God Zionist. Our Canadian politicians are no different. Our politicians know who the real boss is, and it ain't them or the peasant taxpayer. I think that Rue knows this but won't say anything.

I will have to take your word for it because I have given up reading the RR (Rue Rants) a while ago. I suspect that some of the world leaders attending this funeral have also not read the history of the Suez canal.

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Despite numerous "Israeli war crimes", an official delegation is heading to Israel:

A Canadian delegation of politicians past and present paid tribute to former Israeli leader Shimon Peres today as they departed to attend his state funeral in Jerusalem on Friday.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took a flight out of Ottawa on Thursday along with former prime minister Jean Chrétien, Foreign Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion and interim Conservative Leader Rona Ambrose.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/shimon-peres-canadian-delegation-1.3783609

Please note that Canada does not send such delegations to Gaza or the West Bank.

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You don't debate. You avoid debating. You made the statement that Muslims from outside Palestine who moved to Palestine

are automatically Palestinian and did not displace Palestinians but Jews from outside Palestine who moved there automatically

had to have displaced pre-existing Palestinians and could and can never be Palestinians, especially Palestinians who choose to

have a Jewish nation.

I am a busy person. I don't want to debate a make belief, alternate world with you. I just don't have the time.

I don't care who has moved there. Whether it's Muslims or Jews. What I care about is what's right and what's wrong. What's wrong is that the Zionist project's main intention was to create a Jew only home by pretty much any means possible. Including the systematic displacement of those who had been living in the land of Palestine for generations. The displacement happened and continues to happen through fear, force and various other methods of land theft. This practice has been going on for the past century and I suspect, within my lifetime, the support for such a behaviour will end. Information technology has reached a point where it is breaking through the massive propaganda and conditioning that we have seen in the past century, in keeping the masses misinformed and/or docile to the realities.

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False...many in Israel still do, as do many in the U.S.

I don't think anyone here speaks for all people with varying views and "support".

Many in South Africa supported their government and the apartheid system. Many in Germany supported the Nazi regime and their actions. Many in America supported the Iraq war.

That's normal. People are easily moved by propaganda and the feeling of insecurity. To the point where they'll accept or become numb to vile choices their governments make. Either that or they're just not informed enough to make a rational judgement.

We have set moral and ethical standards for ourselves and I wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if I looked the other way while my government and the world allowed the ugliness that we're capable of committing to continue.

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Many in South Africa supported their government and the apartheid system. Many in Germany supported the Nazi regime and their actions. Many in America supported the Iraq war.

Many in Canada supported Residential Schools, "scoop babies", and Japanese internment camps. That is normal.

We have set moral and ethical standards for ourselves and I wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if I looked the other way while my government and the world allowed the ugliness that we're capable of committing to continue.

Not your call for other people and their choices. There is no right to be comfortable about other nations' domestic or foreign policies.

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I will have to take your word for it because I have given up reading the RR (Rue Rants) a while ago. I suspect that some of the world leaders attending this funeral have also not read the history of the Suez canal.

You have made the comment you don't read other peoples' posts including mine long ago. So has Eye, et al.

You have this notion where you expect others to read your anti Israeli rants but not the other way around.

That shows in itself your lack of credibility and how you expect one form of treatment while showing he exact opposite to others.

The thing is you do read my posts and claim you don't and have many times responded after telling me you don't read my posts.

The above means what exactly? Does it justify why you believe you should use this thread and others as one way rants for

you?

Is it an attempt to cover up that you have no idea how to debate what I place in response to you?

What is clear is it has nothing to do with the subject of the thread and everything to do with you trying to make this

thread about me and you.

Its about the contents of the words you place on this thread and in the post above that I challenge as having nothing to do with

debate and everything to do with you trying to exploit the purpose of this board to dominate with your own rants.

Guess what. You don't have free reign.

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Many in South Africa supported their government and the apartheid system. Many in Germany supported the Nazi regime and their actions. Many in America supported the Iraq war.

That's normal. People are easily moved by propaganda and the feeling of insecurity. To the point where they'll accept or become numb to vile choices their governments make. Either that or they're just not informed enough to make a rational judgement.

We have set moral and ethical standards for ourselves and I wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if I looked the other way while my government and the world allowed the ugliness that we're capable of committing to continue.

Nothing in what you said above relates to any war crime Israeli committed. It does again though provide vague pontification as to your subjective

partisan opinions and looks like a passive aggressive attempt to call Israel an apartheid nation and moraly equivalent to the Nazi regime.

If that was your intent why did you not say so? At this point do you think your calling Israel an apartheid and Nazi state is disguised or

made politically appropriate or couched by your words?

You are using this thread as evidenced in your comment above not to present any specific war crime that was alleged but to make

general piss on Israel subjective statements.

You again do not debate, you pontificate your subjective hatred of Israel.

That is why you have zero credibility. You can come on this board until doomsday repeating the same piss on

Israel you hate Israel its a Nazi apartheid state refrain, but it establishes nothing but your own partisan bias.

So? Do you think by repeating the same partisan name calling, it is making a difference? You think its going to

destroy Israel as you want?

You think its working?

You think such rhetoric works?

Are people lining up to fight Israel?

You can't even present one example of a military crime Israel has done.

Lol.

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Not your call for other people and their choices. There is no right to be comfortable about other nations' domestic or foreign policies.

I do notice Hudson Jones, Eye, Big Guy, in many responses, refer to themselves as "we".

Pluralizing one's identity means one of two things;

1-there is one person using all the different names, thus the slip and reference to "we";

or

2-its a tactic used to suggest that since more than one person would have the opinion it must

be valid;

OR

3-the writer as you say presumes to think and speak for others.

I believe its all 3. I believe when one debates and has to hide behind plural references it

shows insecurity and lack of conviction.

I, me, believes that.

Getting back to this actual thread, there is still no proof offered of any military crime nor

have any of the anti Israelis on this thread provided a reference to any international

military law that has been violated.

Hey now, imagine that.

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