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I haven't had the privilege of being in possession of that briefcase which has the nuclear arms-codes so I can only guess but my view is that you can't launch missiles by accident nor can you do so on a whim or just for fun. There has to be someone else who agrees with it.

The President can alone decide on launching missiles and the military must obey him but there must surely be some clause that if, for example, the President wants to nuke his own cities his commands can be ignored.

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52 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

I haven't had the privilege of being in possession of that briefcase which has the nuclear arms-codes so I can only guess but my view is that you can't launch missiles by accident nor can you do so on a whim or just for fun. There has to be someone else who agrees with it.

The President can alone decide on launching missiles and the military must obey him but there must surely be some clause that if, for example, the President wants to nuke his own cities his commands can be ignored.

There's the 25th Amendment, where the POTUS can be relieved of his duties due to his declining mental state.

That clause was a common rallying cry for the Demonrats for the last 4 years.

The only thing that's stopping the GOP from officially moving ahead on that front is the question of how much worse of a President Kamala would be. On the one side there's the fact that Biden needs 20 hrs of sleep a day, is that worse than the fact that Kamala would be wide awake, destroying the country 18 hrs a day? 

 

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Lots of fuss about this over on the right. I don't imagine others have heard much if anything about it. Limbaugh and others representing millions of Twitter users have killed their Twitter accounts and moved over to Parler.

"President Donald Trump responded to Twitter’s move to permanently suspend his account from its platform late Friday, condemning the big tech giant and saying that it does not stand for free speech.

The president also said he anticipates a “big announcement” soon and that his team is negotiating with other sites and is also looking at building a separate platform.

“As I have been saying for a long time, Twitter has gone further and further in banning free speech, and tonight, Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the Radical Left in removing my account from their platform, to silence me—and YOU, the 75,000,000 great patriots who voted for me,” Trump said in a statement.

“Twitter may be a private company, but without the government’s gift of Section 230 they would not exist for long,” he added.

“I predicted this would happen. We have been negotiating with various other sites, and will have a big announcement soon, while we also look at the possibilities of building out our own platform in the near future. We will not be SILENCED!” he said.

“Twitter is not about FREE SPEECH. They are all about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely,” Trump continued. “STAY TUNED!”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-responds-to-twitter-account-suspension_3649738.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-01-09

 

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More on the increasing censorship of those daring to speak the unspeakable words - like Freedom.

Big Tech Launches Massive Attack Against Millions of Conservatives, Free Speech in Peril

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On Friday, Twitter, Apple and Google launched a massive attack against millions of conservatives across the world.

Early in the day, Apple threatened to delist the free speech app Parler from their app store unless they promised to censor conservatives. Later in the day, Google made the decision to completely ban Parler from their app store, completely silencing millions of conservatives.

https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-big-tech-launches-massive-attack-against-millions-of-conservatives-free-speech-in-peril/

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2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

A conspiracy theory only requires enough evidence to create a suspicion.

I'm admitting 'Ashli Babbit herded into a kill zone' is a conspiracy theory.

I'm saying these corporate leftist, media pushed outrage chants of "Nothing to see here. Don't believe your lying eyes. Pay not attention to the man behind the screen," inspire conspiracy theories.

For example when I notice trained outrage at people who notice the guys actually instigating the rush on the capitol building didn't look very Trumpy, it makes me wonder what else I'm supposed to ignore.

Like for instance, why did agents open the first gates to the capitol building and herd people through?

Why does the killing of Ashley Babbit look so much like an assassination. The agent was close enough to her to see she was just a small woman. He could have stood in front of the door. He could have pushed her back through the window. He could have waited until she dropped down and arrested her. He could have fired a warning shot.

But no he hid off in a corner about two or three feet from her and shot her through the side of the neck once he'd identified her as a target. 

And now you're outraged that I dared to notice all that, right? Not to worry its part of your training. You're supposed to react that way. Now you're supposed call out my tin foil. Go ahead. Might as well play out the script.

You give conspiracy theories too much credit, they don't need any evidence at all. You just demonstrated that.

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8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

My Facebook chums who love Qanon say something BIG is coming.   Of course they said that about last week which I guess referred to the failed coup by the water buffalo man, and Trump's abandonment by Pence and more as well as Impeachment II.

Let's not forget Trump's abandonment of the people he sent to Capitol Hill. He told them he'd be going with them. He didn't. And as soon as the publicity got bad he disowned them entirely.

Trump is loyal to no one.

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7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The pressure has always been there to go authoritarian. Like in Star Trek episode with the Nazis- "Patterns of Force"What is different today is that politics in America has become increasingly influenced by the internet. Imagine the Nazis attaining their dream- control people by force-feed the propaganda directly into their mind.

Twitter, Facebook and Google are private companies which provide a free service. They do not owe that service to anyone, and can make any rule they want for who uses their sites. If they decide they don't want people who are inciting violence then they have the right to do that. Comparing not being able to post on twitter to Nazi oppression is goofy.

Having said that I freely acknowledge that silicon valley is full of leftists and that their woke indignation often goes overboard. And yes, many of them have an authoritarian mindset. But when you have people openly talking shit about hanging Mike Pence or burning down the Capitol Buildings, or advocating killing cops and such, I'm not going to criticize them for booting those people and groups off.

And by the way, anyone who doesn't realize that Trump has an authoritarian mindset is either crazy or dumb as dirt.

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7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

I should also point-out that Nancy Pelosi went to the military yesterday and tried to get them to commit to not following anything Trump said to do. The military...thank goodness...refused. 

Now who is the coup-meister?

As far as I'm aware she spoke to the Chairman of the joint chiefs on precautions in case Trump goes bananas and decides to throw nukes around.

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5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Last year, the City of Minneapolis burned for three days because BLM's George Floyd protests turned into riots and looting.  Democratic leadership at the city, county, and state level refused to intervene early on.  Several dead, $500 million in damage, 1500 businesses impacted, one police precinct burned down.

Yay democracy !

If the voters in Minneapolis figure that's acceptable in their city, then why would I care? Let it burn down. Let them live in the ruins, shuffling around amid burned down stores and buildings. Not my problem.

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4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

History will now show that Donald J. Trump personally came and burned your city down.

Not to give credence to this silliness, but Adolph Hitler wasn't out burning things down personally either.

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16 minutes ago, Argus said:

Twitter, Facebook and Google are private companies which provide a free service. They do not owe that service to anyone, and can make any rule they want for who uses their sites. If they decide they don't want people who are inciting violence then they have the right to do that. Comparing not being able to post on twitter to Nazi oppression is goofy.

Having said that I freely acknowledge that silicon valley is full of leftists and that their woke indignation often goes overboard. And yes, many of them have an authoritarian mindset. But when you have people openly talking shit about hanging Mike Pence or burning down the Capitol Buildings, or advocating killing cops and such, I'm not going to criticize them for booting those people and groups off.

They also have to worry about their own liability if people are using their platform to help commit crimes. 

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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Lots of fuss about this over on the right. I don't imagine others have heard much if anything about it. Limbaugh and others representing millions of Twitter users have killed their Twitter accounts and moved over to Parler.

"President Donald Trump responded to Twitter’s move to permanently suspend his account from its platform late Friday, condemning the big tech giant and saying that it does not stand for free speech.

This would be the president who called the media the enemies of the people and called for new laws to restrict what they can report, right?

Look, it became patently obvious over his term in office that Trump would have banned all free speech if he could have. It infuriated him to have people writing and saying things about him he didn't like. He'd have filled the prisons with people who insulted him if he had that power.  Since he didn't all he could do was fire anyone in government who dared to contradict him in any way, even if they were right. It's a little rich hearing him whining about free speech.

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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising.

 

Law & order my butt.  Whiners gonna whine.  

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52 minutes ago, Argus said:

Twitter, Facebook and Google are private companies which provide a free service. They do not owe that service to anyone, and can make any rule they want for who uses their sites. If they decide they don't want people who are inciting violence then they have the right to do that. Comparing not being able to post on twitter to Nazi oppression is goofy.

Having said that I freely acknowledge that silicon valley is full of leftists and 

If I recall Trump tried to remove something i a bill called section 230 that would have held the social media platforms more accountable. The people in power now rallied together to prevent this.

The same billionaires who run those huge media companies are leftist-bent. They have the financial clout to see that laws remain in place to protect them.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

If I recall Trump tried to remove something i a bill called section 230 that would have held the social media platforms more accountable. The people in power now rallied together to prevent this.

It would have held them more accountable for what is on their platforms. It would, in other words, mean they would have to put a lot more effort into removing material which was inciting violence, which was defamatory towards one person or group or company or another. MLW could be sued for a topic where we talked about how shitty Apple is - or Google, or Tesla, or whatever.

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

Not to give credence to this silliness, but Adolph Hitler wasn't out burning things down personally either.

 

So you blame the Republicans for the actions of the Communists, eh? That's logical in America circa 2021.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

It would have held them more accountable for what is on their platforms. It would, in other words, mean they would have to put a lot more effort into removing material which was inciting violence, which was defamatory towards one person or group or company or another. MLW could be sued for a topic where we talked about how shitty Apple is - or Google, or Tesla, or whatever.

Hmm, I see. So there is a fine line here between allowing freedom of expression on social media, vs. opening up to foreign attackers that use it to manipulate. The old ideas, rules about safety, controlling propaganda, espionage, do not apply well to the internet. Because it is international.

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