Topaz Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Should whistleblowers go to jail for outing the truth? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/30/trump-ally-obama-official-should-be-subpoenaed-after-leaking-admission.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Topaz said: Re: Comey wanting to talk about Russian interference before election... Today's news is the following and I wondering who stopped it...Obama or Clinton I think the bigger questions are... why did they stop him, and why did Comey actually volunteer to do so after so effectively torpedoing Clinton's campaign. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 You know, Trump has gotten a lot of criticism by many in the high-tech industry... they think many of his policies will negatively affect America in general, and tech industries specifically. (Immigration policies will affect the ability of tech companies to find qualified individuals, and the potential impact of a trade war will affect their ability to make sales.) However, we now have evidence that Trump will actually benefit the tech industry. His activities have personally inspired the creation of the following: From: http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tweet-burning-robot-twitter-bot-575804 On Tuesday morning, someone—or a sentient something—finally proved a worthwhile use for robotics engineering. At 6:13 a.m. Eastern time, a Twitter account with the handle @burnedyourtweet posted a video of a machine printing a Donald Trump tweet about Fox and Friends onto receipt paper. A mechanical arm then swung itself above the printer, clamped down on the printed tweet and swung it above a lighter. The lighter set the printed tweet ablaze, after which the arm swung the fiery tweet above an ashtray, where it was deposited to turn to ash. See? A robot that automatically burns Trump's tweets! All inspired by the racist Orangutan that millions of people voted for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, segnosaur said: You know, Trump has gotten a lot of criticism by many in the high-tech industry... they think many of his policies will negatively affect America in general, and tech industries specifically. (Immigration policies will affect the ability of tech companies to find qualified individuals, and the potential impact of a trade war will affect their ability to make sales.) However, we now have evidence that Trump will actually benefit the tech industry. His activities have personally inspired the creation of the following: From: http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tweet-burning-robot-twitter-bot-575804 On Tuesday morning, someone—or a sentient something—finally proved a worthwhile use for robotics engineering. At 6:13 a.m. Eastern time, a Twitter account with the handle @burnedyourtweet posted a video of a machine printing a Donald Trump tweet about Fox and Friends onto receipt paper. A mechanical arm then swung itself above the printer, clamped down on the printed tweet and swung it above a lighter. The lighter set the printed tweet ablaze, after which the arm swung the fiery tweet above an ashtray, where it was deposited to turn to ash. See? A robot that automatically burns Trump's tweets! All inspired by the racist Orangutan that millions of people voted for! Fine....Shame the same robot cannot burn him to rot... On a serious note....I hear a lot of talk about automation...Some of these hi-tech jobs whether done by immigrants or what have you are simply irreplaceable due to intricacy and complexity. It will impact these firms as not every Tom, Dick and Harry on the high street are simply able to do it.... Using automation is also as good as the input by human intervention. There are are still large areas that require creativity that will require sound judgement. This is beyond the capabilities of A.I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Trump's new boytoy Rand Paul joined the morning conspiracy wackos on all the news shows proclaiming that the latest 'news' that Susan Rice Obama's national security adviser had asked for certain names on surveillance tapes to be 'unmasked' showed Trump wasn't a bizarre loony for claiming he'd been wiretapped. Only problem is unmasking isn't surveillance. The surveillance was on foreign agents Trump's people were talking with. Afterwards, the people on Morning Joe discussed how Paul had turned into a Trump suckup over the past few weeks and just went golfing with him last weekend. I couldn't help noting myself how Paul piously claimed that this incidental involvement of Americans in the surveillance on foreign agents by the NSA was a violation of the privacy rights of Americans. It was more than slightly amusing given Paul himself voted to strip Americans of their internet privacy rights only a few days earlier so his campaign contributors could sell that information to anyone who wanted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 Hopefully, the following link will make clearer what is going on in D.C. for years and it needs to bring it out in the open and show Trump knows what he's talking about. http://www.newsmax.com/LarryKlayman/dennis-montgomery-judge-leon-nsa-trump-wiretap/2017/03/05/id/777015/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 On 4/3/2017 at 9:17 AM, segnosaur said: You know, Trump has gotten a lot of criticism by many in the high-tech industry... they think many of his policies will negatively affect America in general, and tech industries specifically. (Immigration policies will affect the ability of tech companies to find qualified individuals, and the potential impact of a trade war will affect their ability to make sales.) They can't find qualified people in a population of 330 million? Oh wait, Clinton and Trump were the best they could do for president... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said: You know, Trump has gotten a lot of criticism by many in the high-tech industry... they think many of his policies will negatively affect America in general, and tech industries specifically. (Immigration policies will affect the ability of tech companies to find qualified individuals, and the potential impact of a trade war will affect their ability to make sales.) They can't find qualified people in a population of 330 million? Things like software development require skills that just are not that common. And unlike (for example) manufacturing work (where there is a lot of replication), there can be a substantial difference in the abilities of someone who can just do the job and someone who can do the job very well. Companies naturally want the best. (I've worked in the computer field for for decades, and I can certainly say I've seen my fair share of people who supposedly have the qualifications but are still pretty inept.) And while the U.S. does have a big population base of 330 million, they also have a huge DEMAND for tech skills as well, with thousands of companies both large and small. Anyone who is skilled and doesn't go to the U.S. thanks to Trump will probably go to some other country, boosting THEIR tech industries and making the U.S. weaker in comparison. It will be good for Canada, Europe, etc. Bad for the U.S. And in the long term things will get even worse, as Trump's plans to cut funding to education will make the pool of qualified Amercian workers even smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) President Trump is set to visit with President Xi Jinping tonight at Mar-a-Lago in what is the most important meeting of his short presidency to date. Chinese Americans are set to greet Xi in Palm Beach. China is the USA's #1 trading partner. Team Trump can finish the week before Congress' Easter/Passover recess with a freshly minted Supreme Court justice now that the "nuclear option" has been invoked. This would be a major victory for President Trump and the GOP. Thank you Harry Reid ! Edited April 6, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, segnosaur said: Anyone who is skilled and doesn't go to the U.S. thanks to Trump will probably go to some other country, boosting THEIR tech industries and making the U.S. weaker in comparison. It will be good for Canada, Europe, etc. Bad for the U.S. And in the long term things will get even worse, as Trump's plans to cut funding to education will make the pool of qualified Amercian workers even smaller. One could argue that those highly skilled techies would go back to their own country and set up another 'Silicon Valley'. All thanks to Trump trumpeting lunacy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, kactus said: One could argue that those highly skilled techies would go back to their own country and set up another 'Silicon Valley'. All thanks to Trump trumpeting lunacy..... If it was that easy they would have done so already. President Trump had very little to do with the growth of the U.S. high tech sectors...they are organic to the U.S. industrial, military, and academic base. No other country spends as much on R&D alone. The rejected workers can go someplace else, but it will not be the same as the U.S. sectors and opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If it was that easy they would have done so already. President Trump had very little to do with the growth of the U.S. high tech sectors...they are organic to the U.S. industrial, military, and academic base. No other country spends as much on R&D alone. The rejected workers can go someplace else, but it will not be the same as the U.S. sectors and opportunities. No one talked about Trump having anything to do with the growth of the US sector. The organic growth came through those very highly skilled workers from abroad...They already had the academic foundations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kactus said: No one talked about Trump having anything to do with the growth of the US sector. The organic growth came through those very highly skilled workers from abroad...They already had the academic foundations. Ergo, President Trump will have very little impact on the U.S. high tech sector. It is not solely dependent on foreign workers from travel banned nations. Again, if it was so easy, foreign workers would already have their own "Silicon Valleys". Edited April 6, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Ergo, President Trump will have very little impact on the U.S. high tech sector. It is not solely dependent on foreign workers from travel banned nations. Again, if it was so easy, foreign workers would already have their own "Silicon Valleys". The point is and remains that the absence of these highly skilled workers does create a vacuum that not every Tom, Dick and Harry is capable of filling those positions.... This knowledge is not a rocket science amongst the highly tech forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Again, if it was so easy, foreign workers would already have their own "Silicon Valleys". Indians and Chinese are well under way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, kactus said: The point is and remains that the absence of these highly skilled workers does create a vacuum that not every Tom, Dick and Harry is capable of filling those positions.... This knowledge is not a rocket science amongst the highly tech forum. I just retired from the IT sector and have watched the revolving door of visa workers from all over the world, including lots of Canadians. Apparently, they can't find work in their own country, as the capital investment is lacking. Trump is right to limit such workers if higher priced U.S. citizens are being sidelined. Canadians moan about TFW's for the same reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, kactus said: Indians and Chinese are well under way..... OK...what took them so long ? What is the equivalent of IBM China in the USA (IBM has been there for 30 years) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 49 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK...what took them so long ? What is the equivalent of IBM China in the USA (IBM has been there for 30 years) ? Never mind IBM. It's good to gloat over past achievements but reality is there's a new kid on the block and anyone trying to discredit China just need to look at the trends for their growth over the past two decades.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 4 hours ago, kactus said: Never mind IBM. It's good to gloat over past achievements but reality is there's a new kid on the block and anyone trying to discredit China just need to look at the trends for their growth over the past two decades.... Yes, trends contributed to by U.S. and other foreign technical transfer, capital investment, and trade. There is a GM Canada...and there is also a GM China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 On 2017-03-30 at 0:21 PM, segnosaur said: I think the bigger questions are... why did they stop him, and why did Comey actually volunteer to do so after so effectively torpedoing Clinton's campaign. Did Clinton torpedo her own campaign by deleting tens of thousands of E-Mails? How is it OK to delete 33,000 Emails yet not OK for the FBI to announce they were investigating it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 19 hours ago, segnosaur said: Things like software development require skills that just are not that common. And unlike (for example) manufacturing work (where there is a lot of replication), there can be a substantial difference in the abilities of someone who can just do the job and someone who can do the job very well. Companies naturally want the best. (I've worked in the computer field for for decades, and I can certainly say I've seen my fair share of people who supposedly have the qualifications but are still pretty inept.) And while the U.S. does have a big population base of 330 million, they also have a huge DEMAND for tech skills as well, with thousands of companies both large and small. Anyone who is skilled and doesn't go to the U.S. thanks to Trump will probably go to some other country, boosting THEIR tech industries and making the U.S. weaker in comparison. It will be good for Canada, Europe, etc. Bad for the U.S. And in the long term things will get even worse, as Trump's plans to cut funding to education will make the pool of qualified Amercian workers even smaller. It's interesting how there is never enough, we do live in a finite world. These foreigners can also send or take this tech back home with them when they move back. I don't understand where we are going with this software development thing. Is it the new American dream to be locked in cubicles eight hours a day "creating" new games to play while not locked in cubicles? Robotics and such are supposed to replace something like another twenty thousand human beings by 2020, what's the point? The unemployed are not good for the economy. Some of us love life actually doing physical things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 What are so many people resistant to change and not embrace it? It's like we want to have all the nicities of modern life yet stuck in old ways of doing things.... Well guess what, you cannot have it both ways do it the old fashioned way and demand the convenience..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 hours ago, kactus said: What are so many people resistant to change and not embrace it? It's like we want to have all the nicities of modern life yet stuck in old ways of doing things.... Well guess what, you cannot have it both ways do it the old fashioned way and demand the convenience..... You make the erroneous assumption all change is good. It's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, Argus said: You make the erroneous assumption all change is good. It's not. In the context of technology change is the only constant. And for this reason we have reached the point of no return.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 The United States is not a jobs program for unemployed foreign nationals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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