cybercoma Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 5 hours ago, GostHacked said: All this gender confusion is leading to language confusion. Deliberate obfuscation. Real stupid. There's no language confusion. You can tell from context exactly what a person is saying. Language itself depends on context. Unless you're going to carry on a crusade against homonyms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 27 minutes ago, cybercoma said: There's no language confusion. You can tell from context exactly what a person is saying. Language itself depends on context. Unless you're going to carry on a crusade against homonyms. All this stuff is meant to confuse people via confusing language while claiming to be a victim at the same time. There are two genders, that's it. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 30 minutes ago, cybercoma said: Unless you're going to carry on a crusade against homonyms. I think they ought to be allowed to use whatever bathroom they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 13 minutes ago, GostHacked said: All this stuff is meant to confuse people Clearly you think that. It's really not that difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 53 minutes ago, cybercoma said: Clearly you think that. It's really not that difficult. It's all meant to confuse. Some of these gender bender types are doing this deliberately to cause confusion. Which really is not helping their cause. This is part of what the Prof in Toronto has been talking about. This is actually a disservice to the whole movement. A non-binary person that is actually making the transformation from male to female is NOT NON-BINARY ... so stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Some of these gender bender types are doing this deliberately to cause confusion. I mean, more power to you if you just want to exercise your ignorance on the topic. But saying you know the thoughts, beliefs, or motivations of people without any particular examples is silly. You a cis-gender heterosexual white male don't actually get to tell other people what is a "disservice" to their whole movement. It's just like white people during the Civil Rights Movement in the South, talking about "those people" going about things "the wrong way." It's their movement and they're doing it for the reasons they've stated. If you have a hard time understanding that gender is not binary, that's not their problem. It's yours. It's really not that difficult to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, cybercoma said: I mean, more power to you if you just want to exercise your ignorance on the topic. But saying you know the thoughts, beliefs, or motivations of people without any particular examples is silly. You a cis-gender heterosexual white male don't actually get to tell other people what is a "disservice" to their whole movement. It's just like white people during the Civil Rights Movement in the South, talking about "those people" going about things "the wrong way." It's their movement and they're doing it for the reasons they've stated. If you have a hard time understanding that gender is not binary, that's not their problem. It's yours. It's really not that difficult to understand. It's not ignorance, as I've been watching a lot of this stuff online trying to understand it all. The more I watch the less it all makes sense. This is society bending and having to accept each little snowflake as what they are so they don't get all but-hurt and triggered with every damn word spoken. Most of these people are young and will grow out of this in a decade or so and many will reflect back on this and /facepalm when they understand how dumb they actually were for going down this road. More and more this mentality is being targeted at younger people who have not reached puberty, so along with the confusions and problems of growing up, there is this new wrench in the system to cause even more confusion. For the non-binary moved to trans, check out Milo Stewart (youtube) A confused young person that feels triggered with every word spoken Another good one to watch is Blaire White, a male to female trans (not fully yet) even lays it out, two genders. Also for the Toronto prof there is a certain individual 'Smugglypuff' who has been called out for physically attacking others while claiming she is a victim. She gives the camera the nice finger telling the cops 'I did not see anything nothing happened' ... Trust me I know what I am talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 16 hours ago, GostHacked said: All this stuff is meant to confuse people via confusing language while claiming to be a victim at the same time. There are two genders, that's it. Deal with it. Language is political, and with all things political if you refuse to negotiate then you'll be out of the loop when the negotiations happen. 'They' is an awkward choice, but for those of us (us) who are new to these things it falls of the tongue more easily then 'xe'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 12 hours ago, GostHacked said: It's not ignorance, as I've been watching a lot of this stuff online trying to understand it all. The more I watch the less it all makes sense. This is society bending and having to accept each little snowflake as what they are so they don't get all but-hurt and triggered with every damn word spoken. Most of these people are young and will grow out of this in a decade or so and many will reflect back on this and /facepalm when they understand how dumb they actually were for going down this road. The word 'snowflake' isn't helpful in these discussions. It's one of these new insults like 'alt right' that creates a short-hand caricature for easy labelling. I mean, who is going to defend a 'snowflake' ? Better to talk about this in terms of rights and decorum IMO. I do think people have a right to name themselves, and have less of a right to make demands on conventional language. For the latter, there needs to be a dialogue for those who want to partake. 12 hours ago, GostHacked said: More and more this mentality is being targeted at younger people who have not reached puberty, so along with the confusions and problems of growing up, there is this new wrench in the system to cause even more confusion. Noted. 12 hours ago, GostHacked said: For the non-binary moved to trans, check out Milo Stewart (youtube) A confused young person that feels triggered with every word spoken Another good one to watch is Blaire White, a male to female trans (not fully yet) even lays it out, two genders. Also for the Toronto prof there is a certain individual 'Smugglypuff' who has been called out for physically attacking others while claiming she is a victim. She gives the camera the nice finger telling the cops 'I did not see anything nothing happened' ... Trust me I know what I am talking about 'Smugglypuff' ! You seem to reject violence, which I do also. Best way to address it is to talk to people who oppose you as civilly as you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: The word 'snowflake' isn't helpful in these discussions. It's one of these new insults like 'alt right' that creates a short-hand caricature for easy labelling. I mean, who is going to defend a 'snowflake' ? Better to talk about this in terms of rights and decorum IMO. I do think people have a right to name themselves, and have less of a right to make demands on conventional language. For the latter, there needs to be a dialogue for those who want to partake. Noted. 'Smugglypuff' ! You seem to reject violence, which I do also. Best way to address it is to talk to people who oppose you as civilly as you can. I am all for dialogue but I fight back, so I don't want anyone else crying foul if they strike first. There are many who cannot even express their views properly or explain how they feel. All this patriarchy blaming finds it's way into this area. The civil dialogue that many of these types put out does not resemble civility in any fashion. And snowflake is an appropriate term for over-sensitive people who get but hurt and triggered over every little thing because they left their safe-space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 28 minutes ago, GostHacked said: And snowflake is an appropriate term for over-sensitive people who get but hurt and triggered over every little thing because they left their safe-space. You seem to be out of your safe-space, trying not to deal with these people who experience life differently than you do. You look very much like a snowflake to me, right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 minute ago, dialamah said: You seem to be out of your safe-space, trying not to deal with these people who experience life differently than you do. You look very much like a snowflake to me, right now. Your attempt at aikido falls short here. Member GostHacked is debating of snowflake is an appropriate term for someone who doesn't want to be exposed to things they aren't comfortable with. I don't see how he's looking for a safe space at all, it's an open debate about this phenomena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 43 minutes ago, Boges said: Your attempt at aikido falls short here. Member GostHacked is debating of snowflake is an appropriate term for someone who doesn't want to be exposed to things they aren't comfortable with. I don't see how he's looking for a safe space at all, it's an open debate about this phenomena. GH clearly doesn't want to be exposed to something he's uncomfortable with and is looking for a safe space that doesn't include that something, and does he want it referred to using in his vicinity. That is snowflake behavior, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, dialamah said: GH clearly doesn't want to be exposed to something he's uncomfortable with and is looking for a safe space that doesn't include that something, and does he want it referred to using in his vicinity. That is snowflake behavior, is it not? I would disagree with your assessment of the direction of the chat. But whatevs, it's not terribly relevant. But it's even less interesting to debate whether calling people snowflake is useful or not. Thin-skinned seems to aptly describe the safe space phenomena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 52 minutes ago, Boges said: Thin-skinned seems to aptly describe the safe space phenomena. I agree with that, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, dialamah said: GH clearly doesn't want to be exposed to something he's uncomfortable with and is looking for a safe space that doesn't include that something, and does he want it referred to using in his vicinity. That is snowflake behavior, is it not? You'd be surprised as to what I've been exposed to. And I am comfortable with a lot of things. Most of the LGBT people I know are confident in their lives that they end up rolling their eyes at these thin skinned people. The Universities are teaching people to go along to get along , leaving the critical thinking behind. 2 hours ago, dialamah said: You seem to be out of your safe-space, trying not to deal with these people who experience life differently than you do. You look very much like a snowflake to me, right now. I don't think you are reading what I am putting out there. Edited December 20, 2016 by GostHacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It's one of these new insults like 'alt right' How is "alt-right" an insult? It's a political ideology and movement with tons of empirical evidence behind it of people self-identifying with it. Saying "alt-right" is an insult is the same as these racist idiots saying its an insult to point out their racism. You sure twist yourself into a pretzel trying to pretend you're objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, cybercoma said: How is "alt-right" an insult? It's a political ideology and movement with tons of empirical evidence behind it of people self-identifying with it. Saying "alt-right" is an insult is the same as these racist idiots saying its an insult to point out their racism. You sure twist yourself into a pretzel trying to pretend you're objective. It can be used pejoratively to dismiss someone that comes to the right of your opinion. Similarly to how Commie or Socialist can be used to discredit Liberals. Edited December 20, 2016 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, cybercoma said: How is "alt-right" an insult? It's a political ideology and movement with tons of empirical evidence behind it of people self-identifying with it. Saying "alt-right" is an insult is the same as these racist idiots saying its an insult to point out their racism. Both of those terms are used primarily to insult people who DO NOT hold those views by implying that they do. Edited December 20, 2016 by Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 3 hours ago, cybercoma said: How is "alt-right" an insult? It's a political ideology and movement with tons of empirical evidence behind it of people self-identifying with it. Saying "alt-right" is an insult is the same as these racist idiots saying its an insult to point out their racism. You sure twist yourself into a pretzel trying to pretend you're objective. Do you think it's a compliment ? I didn't think people called themselves that. I don't pretend to be objective, nobody is objective but on the other hand I do better than some I'm sure you will agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Funny, but the same people who use the term "alt-right" hate the term "alt-left". Now why would that be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Funny, but the same people who use the term "alt-right" hate the term "alt-left". Now why would that be ? I don't hate the term alt-left. You just look like an idiot making up nonsense that doesn't actually exist. The "alt-right" is a self-described movement. "Alt-left" is a nonsense reactionary pejorative that people from the alt-right made up because they've been exposed for what they are, fascist and racist pieces of trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 minute ago, cybercoma said: I don't hate the term alt-left. You just look like an idiot making up nonsense that doesn't actually exist. The "alt-right" is a self-described movement. "Alt-left" is a nonsense reactionary pejorative that people from the alt-right made up because they've been exposed for what they are, fascist and racist pieces of trash. Actually, both terms are in current usage in the United States, and some Canadians just import them like so many other things American. The alt-left doesn't need your approval in Canada to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 2016-12-19 at 2:50 PM, GostHacked said: All this stuff is meant to confuse people via confusing language while claiming to be a victim at the same time. There are two genders, that's it. Deal with it. There's 2 genders yes, or if you don't associate with either than you're neutral. There's no reason for new gender pronouns. If you don't want to be called "he" or "she" then people can call you "they". Very simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: There's 2 genders yes, or if you don't associate with either than you're neutral. There's no reason for new gender pronouns. If you don't want to be called "he" or "she" then people can call you "they". Very simple. Pass they the salt? I don't know about that! Edited December 21, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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