Topaz Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 I saw this online and thought to ask that question here...what female would u like to see on our bills besides the Queen.? I think the first woman in the House should be and that would be Agnes McPhail in 1921, who was a Conservative. She was also a member of the Ontario government at one time. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 Emily Carr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Carr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 We should follow Pakistan's example and put no humans on the money. Putting people on money because they have a vagina is sexist. But sexism is rampant in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 How come you didn't suggest removing people from money before they suggested putting a woman on there? Well, a woman other than the woman that's on almost all of the money, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) Emily CarrWhy would an artist who came to fame by appropriating indigenous cultures be worthy of a such an honour? Not much better than Nellie McClung who was an advocate for progressive cause of the time "eugenics" but at least Nellie McClung changed Canadian society for the better. Edited March 13, 2016 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) Why would an artist who came to fame by appropriating indigenous cultures be worthy of a such an honour? Not much better than Nellie McClung who was an advocate for progressive cause of the time "eugenics" but at least Nellie McClung changed Canadian society for the better.Please provide a cite for McClung's support for eugenics.ETA: To say that Carr appropriated indegenous culture is to be completely ignorant of her works. Indiginous culture was the subject of much of her work, but that's not an appropriation of culture in any way. Edited March 13, 2016 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) Please provide a cite for McClung's support for eugenics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellie_McClung McClung was a supporter of the then popular social philosophy of eugenics and campaigned for the sterilization of those considered "simple-minded". Her promotion of the benefits of sterilization contributed to the passage of eugenics legislation in Alberta. ETA: To say that Carr appropriated indigenous culture is to be completely ignorant of her works. Indigenous culture was the subject of much of her work, but that's not an appropriation of culture in any way.If serving ethic food in a school cafeteria is deemed 'cultural appropriation' then using aboriginal themes in ones art is also appropriation. Personally, I think accusing anyone of 'appropriation' is politically correct nonsense. My point was to illustrate how any historical figure can be shown to be bad person if you want to construct such a narrative. Edited March 13, 2016 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 My point was to illustrate how any historical figure can be shown to be bad person if you want to construct such a narrative. And you want to construct this narrative why? You just don't want any women on the money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 You just don't want any women on the money?I think McClung and/or the 'Famous Five' should be on the bill because she changed Canadian society. But some will object because of the eugenics thing. Constructing a similar narrative for any other candidate is intended to illustrate how absurd those kinds of objections are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 How come you didn't suggest removing people from money before they suggested putting a woman on there? I've taken this position for a long time. No one really asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 Wasn't McClung a racist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 I demand we put an atheist on the money! Too many Christians! I demand we put a gay person on the money! Too many straight people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 A Gatheist! Anyone know any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 I demand we put an atheist on the money! Too many Christians! I demand we put a gay person on the money! Too many straight people. [David Attenborough voice over] Here in the wilds of Maple Leaf Forums we see the presence of the "perfect solution fallacy" where an argument assumes that a solution should be rejected because some part of the problem would still exist even after the solution was implemented. This is a type of black and white thinking in which a person fails to see the complex interplay between multiple component elements ..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#Perfect_solution_fallacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 [David Attenborough voice over] Here in the wilds of Maple Leaf Forums we see the presence of the "perfect solution fallacy" where an argument assumes that a solution should be rejected because some part of the problem would still exist even after the solution was implemented. This is a type of black and white thinking in which a person fails to see the complex interplay between multiple component elements ..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#Perfect_solution_fallacy I don't understand how what I wrote classifies as a perfect solution fallacy. Or do you actually think that I think we should put people on the money for being gay or atheist or black or whatever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 John A was a drunken old conservative racist and he was good enough for the dollar. How about moving on to Joni. I don't reckon I need to includer her last name do I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 I don't understand how what I wrote classifies as a perfect solution fallacy. Or do you actually think that I think we should put people on the money for being gay or atheist or black or whatever? I forgot the cardinal rule: one cannot expect a person who uses a fallacy to understand they have used it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 I'm ready for Kate Middleton......get ahead of the crowd. Her Majesty's portrait needs replacement. Why is it always old fart portraits? I don't believe Sir John A was 80 when he started politics. When the young Elizabeth was on the money it was nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 John A was a drunken old conservative racist and he was good enough for the dollar. How about moving on to Joni. I don't reckon I need to includer her last name do I? Well, John A created the country. Joni did what exactly? Played some music like hundreds of others? Why not Pamela Anderson? She brought pleasure to millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Well, John A created the country. Joni did what exactly? Played some music like hundreds of others? Why not Pamela Anderson? She brought pleasure to millions. I suspect Joni brought pleasure to a lot more people who have intellect that exceeds simple ogling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 I forgot the cardinal rule: one cannot expect a person who uses a fallacy to understand they have used it.... No, an example of the perfect solution fallacy would be: We shouldn't put women for the sake of women on money because there would still not be enough non-christians for the sake of being non-christians, or non-whites for the sake of being non-white. That isn't my position. My position is that the whole thing is sexist and wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 How about the women's first Olympic gold medal hockey team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) I suspect Joni brought pleasure to a lot more people who have intellect that exceeds simple ogling. As many as Justin Bieber? How about Celine Dion? Both very popular females. Edited March 15, 2016 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Good grief, Is this our choices for women? There has to someone other than a couple old hippies - isn't there? Maybe Kim Campbell. I know she was never elected as prime minister, but she was prime minister and that speaks to many other preceding accomplishments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Hippies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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