msj Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Both politicians? WTF? Trump is about 70 and he's mostly been a real estate guy when not a reality tv guy. He is running for office for the first time, maybe second time. Is this some sort of rhetorical question?Trump is not a politician because he has only run for President once or twice? Really? That's not enough to qualify someone as being in politics? How about you move those goal posts out of the stadium and into the parking lot...... Edited March 2, 2016 by msj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Trudeau Jnr is about 40 and was a high school teacher. But mostly, he's been a politician, public speaker and "son of" person. I will not fault him for having PET as a father. We don't get to choose our parents. Being a teacher is less forgivable but hopefully he will overcome that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 In a conservation with someone last night, I was told the Trump is picking a senator, for VP who is against the Pacific Trade deal, will see if they are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Don't be surprise if Rudy Guiliani is considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Who will Trump pick for VP I think the answer is obvious... Charlie Sheen. From: http://www.people.com/article/charlie-sheen-donald-trump-vice-president After slamming the GOP front-runner in a very special tweet last month, the former Two and a Half Men star has had a change of heart – and now wants to be the Donald's running mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Don't be surprise if Rudy Guiliani is considered. That's interesting, Rudy would lock up New York for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm kind of hoping for Ted Nugent as VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 What do you base this characterization of Trump on? To say he never has demonstrated any ability blah, blah, blah, is quite easy, but if you're basing it on what he's been saying, then you're being bamboozled by the Trump act. How do you suppose he's become a billionaire? Well, for one he benefited from his family connections in the early years. Plus, given the estimated value of his father's wealth, Trump would likely have inherited 10s of millions of dollars. (Not to mention the fact that he would have had access to credit due to his father's name, which would have given him access to millions to use to invest.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/29/the-myth-and-the-reality-of-donald-trumps-business-empire/ And, it should be noted that he has made significant use of various bankruptcy laws. While its not unusual for a company to use the bankruptcy laws to help reorganize and survive, Trump's businesses have done so multiple times (Trump walks away from a debt, saving him money but leaving his lenders footing the bill). Of course, the problem is, a country can't just go and declare bankruptcy like a person or business. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aj-agrawal/trumped-the-donald-has-fi_b_8403708.html Then there are all the smaller investors that have been fleeced over the years... Investors who went into business ventures with Trump, only to see things go belly-up and get stuck. Or things like Trump University, which charged students thousands. (There are various law suits and claims of Fraud against Trump over that.) Much of Trump's "success" has come not from his financial genius, but from his ability to market himself. He gets his name stuck on the side of a building (despite having nothing to do with its construction) and gets a license fee. But consider all of the businesses that he has been involve with that have failed: The mortgage company, Trump vodka. In fact, he seems to have more in common with Kim Kardashian (who, to many, appears to be "famous for being famous") than with Warren Buffet (who actually seems to have some business sense). It should also be noted that Trump's net worth isn't really known to the public. He's "claimed" that he's worth billions (sometimes there are estimates of $10 billion) but most put the estimates at far lower. Forbes lists him as being worth roughly $4 billion. I've even seen estimates as low as $200 million. Trump claims that billions of dollars of his wealth are due to his "brand" (i.e. not his actual assets or income, but his name recognition.) Finally, here's something: in 1976, Trump claimed he was worth $200 million. He claims he's now worth $10 billion. If he took that initial $200 million and invested it in index funds, he would now be worth roughly $12 billion. So, for all his claims of financial brilliance, he is (on average) doing worse than the stock market. (And that is using the overly generous estimate of $10 billion, rather than the more likely figure of $4 billion.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/if-donald-trump-followed-this-really-basic-advice-hed-be-a-lot-richer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm kind of hoping for Ted Nugent as VP. At least Ted could enhance the entertainment value. The dumb ass bombast is getting predictable as well as boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Rubio will win the nomination and will pick Kasich as his VP. (or vice versa) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 TimG, what gives you the right to say that Trump is low but Obama (or Trudeau Jnr) is high? Do you know that Trump has said that as president he would order the families of terrorists to be killed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Do you know that Trump has said that as president he would order the families of terrorists to be killed? What do you think President Obama does with drone attacks ? Booya !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Rubio will win the nomination and will pick Kasich as his VP. (or vice versa) Looks inceasingly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Do you know that Trump has said that as president he would order the families of terrorists to be killed? What do you think President Obama does with drone attacks ? Booya !! He targets the terrorists themselves, not the families. I am not saying that drone strikes are perfect, nor are only terrorists killed; innocent civilians are too. But for something to be considered a war crime, a civilian population must be targeted. That is what Trump was proposing: the targeted killing of non-combatants, a war crime. And that is the problem... should Trump become president, he will probably find it difficult to establish military alliances, because being associated with a country that deliberately engages in war crimes would be an incredibly unpopular decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 ....I am not saying that drone strikes are perfect, nor are only terrorists killed; innocent civilians are too. But for something to be considered a war crime, a civilian population must be targeted. That is what Trump was proposing: the targeted killing of non-combatants, a war crime. And that is the problem... should Trump become president, he will probably find it difficult to establish military alliances, because being associated with a country that deliberately engages in war crimes would be an incredibly unpopular decision. I don't think so....if other countries like Canada flip out over "war crimes" and military alliances, it would have happened a long time ago. Civilians have been targeted by Canada/NATO as alleged combatants in the past as well. Bring on the joke "war crimes" trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Looks inceasingly unlikely. It does at this time - but - the Republican Party power has been sitting back. I believe that today, Romney has declared war on behalf of the establishment. He made an unprecedented speech savaging the person leading his party polls. He would not be doing this without the permission and encouragement of the back room boys. There are a large number of primaries where it will be winner take all - a candidate can get 35% of the vote and still get all the delegates. I believe that the Republicans will now be manipulating the opposition to Trump so that all anti-Trump votes will go to one candidate. This will result in a brokered convention where all bets and are off and the delegates freed up after the first vote. This will result in a series of votes where someone but Trump will get at least 51% of the votes and be declared the Republican candidate. And anyone can get nominated from the floor at the convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I don't think so....if other countries like Canada flip out over "war crimes" and military alliances, it would have happened a long time ago. Please point to me one case in recent history (i.e. within a generation or so) where Canada has formed any sort of military alliance with a country who's leader has stated, quite plainly, that he planed to engage in war crimes. Civilians have been targeted by Canada/NATO as alleged combatants in the past as well. If they are "alleged combatants" then targeting them would not necessarily be against the geneva convention and would not constitute a war crime. The geneva convention does not require a country to act with perfection. Mistakes (such as misidentifying a target as a combatant) is regrettable but a forgivable mistake. It is a different circumstance than knowing an individual is innocent/a non combatant, is not doing anything in support of the conflict, yet is still targeted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 There are a large number of primaries where it will be winner take all - a candidate can get 35% of the vote and still get all the delegates. On the other hand, it also means that Trump can get all the delegates even though he has less than half the vote. I believe that the Republicans will now be manipulating the opposition to Trump so that all anti-Trump votes will go to one candidate. This will result in a brokered convention where all bets and are off and the delegates freed up after the first vote.This will result in a series of votes where someone but Trump will get at least 51% of the votes and be declared the Republican candidate. And anyone can get nominated from the floor at the convention. Have to wonder how that would affect the Republican voter base. Many Trump supporters voted for him because he is different/an outsider; such manipulation (or selecting someone from the floor of the convention) might make potential republican voters simply stay home on election day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Please point to me one case in recent history (i.e. within a generation or so) where Canada has formed any sort of military alliance with a country who's leader has stated, quite plainly, that he planed to engage in war crimes. Please see "United States of America....post 9/11....'Gitmo...waterboarding....Abu Graib....Afghanistan....Iraq....etc." Also, see Canada's military alliance with Ukrainian forces and their stated "war crimes" just in the past few years. The geneva convention does not require a country to act with perfection. Mistakes (such as misidentifying a target as a combatant) is regrettable but a forgivable mistake. It is a different circumstance than knowing an individual is innocent/a non combatant, is not doing anything in support of the conflict, yet is still targeted. Doesn't matter.....President Obama even killed an American citizen without due process. Obama doubled down on drone attacks known to kill more "innocent civilians" than "terrorists". Donald Trump can say whatever the hell he wants to say...and pick whomever he wants for VP....he is not Canadian and the election is not in Canada. Edited March 3, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Donald Trump can say whatever the hell he wants to say...and pick whomever he wants for VP....he is not Canadian and the election is not in Canada. Too bad he wasn't in Canada, then we could arrest him for hate speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Trump won't be picking Mitt and his magic underwear. "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University." - Mitt Romney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Trump is right, saying today that Romney had his chance and Romney blew it. Loser ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Deleted...wrong Trump thread. Edited March 4, 2016 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Folks, Please avoid thread drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 To bring the conversation back, I think with the recent attacks on Trump on the GOP, the underlying message is "You will have to pick between Christie, Palin or Huckabee as your VP and good luck with that". Add in a dash of "we never thought we'd say this but we'll take Clinton over you". Now he has to go home to mommy and cry because none of the kids at his party want to play with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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