eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Yep, the more we wheel and deal with dictatorships the more we become like them. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
On Guard for Thee Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Sorry reefer, but he is not leadership material. It shows every day. But in 4 yrs , there will be conservative governments all over Canada. Now we just have to survive that long. Who ya got left, oh yeah Brad Wall. You think he will proceed to lead the federal conservatives? Doubt it, he'd have to learn French first. I don't think 4 years will be near enough to rebuild the party. I assume its the party you are concerned about surviving, "that long". Quote
overthere Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 How do you say 'Fourth Reich' en Francais? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Same merde different bouquet? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
PIK Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Who ya got left, oh yeah Brad Wall. You think he will proceed to lead the federal conservatives? Doubt it, he'd have to learn French first. I don't think 4 years will be near enough to rebuild the party. I assume its the party you are concerned about surviving, "that long". Rebuild?? That party is in great shape. And does trudeau not need to go thru the senate to have this new voring system put in? Is he going to stack the senate? I hope he tries because he will be finished. Edited January 8, 2016 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 Rebuild?? That party is in great shape. And does trudeau not need to go thru the senate to have this new voring system put in? Is he going to stack the senate? I hope he tries because he will be finished. Did it finish Harper? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 Rebuild?? That party is in great shape. And does trudeau not need to go thru the senate to have this new voring system put in? Is he going to stack the senate? I hope he tries because he will be finished. Great shape?, there have only been 4 other governments go down to worse defeats in Canadian history. Harper made the brand toxic and spent a lot of time sitting on is hands on major issues. It will take a lot of rebuilding under a proper leader to get them out of the wilderness. Quote
PIK Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 99 seats is not in the wilderness. And guess what harper is no longer leader. Lot of people wanted to vote con,but as you say they did not because of harper. And trudeau is being watched very closely by these voters. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 And according to a recent poll, those voters would give Trudeau an additional 40 seats above those won in Oct. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 How do you say 'Fourth Reich' en Francais? Les Etats Unis. Quote
G Huxley Posted January 9, 2016 Author Report Posted January 9, 2016 It seems Trudeau deserves the benefit of the doubt on this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bill-blair-to-lead-liberal-task-force-on-marijuana-legalization-source/article28075636/ Quote
overthere Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 It seems Trudeau deserves the benefit of the doubt on this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bill-blair-to-lead-liberal-task-force-on-marijuana-legalization-source/article28075636/ While we waste time on a national wankfest about a drug that really nobody cares about...... could somebody please keep an eye on our electoral system? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
eyeball Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 It seems Trudeau deserves the benefit of the doubt on this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bill-blair-to-lead-liberal-task-force-on-marijuana-legalization-source/article28075636/ Whatever else legalization looks like it'll be almost entirely dominated by Big M&M read; Money and Morality Between that and Big Nanny I'm betting it'll be a cold day in Hell before anyone is allowed to grow their own. Pity, because quality will likely go the way of most produce, bland and tasteless. My guess is that it'll be 75 years before we see the first Craft-pot growers and another 50 before we see highway signage steering drivers along scenic Pot Growing tour routes, like they have for winos today. It goes without saying the craft industry will have to lease quota from the big boys. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 While we waste time on a national wankfest about a drug that really nobody cares about...... could somebody please keep an eye on our electoral system?Don't worry it'll likely still be dominated by Big Money too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Don't worry it'll likely still be dominated by Big Money too. You forgot cronyism...............it's 2016 don't you know Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Don't worry it'll likely still be dominated by Big Money too. So, I think you, like Huxley, need to give Trudeau and the Libs a chance. It won't be too late to criticize them for what the actually do rather than what you fear they might do. I see this turning out to be like the beer industry which wouldn't be such a bad thing. Most of the product will be mass produced by big business which can squeeze costs. Some 'craft pot' will be produced by smaller companies (just like the craft brew industry today). And you will be able to grow a couple plants in your backyard. But most people don't make their own beer or grow their own carrots. And most people won't grow their own pot. One last thing. The greatest health risk I see in all of this is the potency and the attendant potential for health risks. Today's pot is much more potent than it used to be and there is some evidence that the increased potency translates into increased health risk. It would only take a few bad outcomes to allow all the law-and-order freaks out there to turn public opinion. The government needs to gather some scientific evidence and set rules on potency - and those rules need to apply across the board. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 So, I think you, like Huxley, need to give Trudeau and the Libs a chance. It won't be too late to criticize them for what the actually do rather than what you fear they might do. Trudeau and the Liberals could very simply remove Marijuana from the list of controlled substances resulting in it becoming decriminalized until they formulate a plan for full legalization............decriminalization could be done in a mater of months with the political willpower present...... Quote
Smallc Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Trudeau and the Liberals could very simply remove Marijuana from the list of controlled substances resulting in it becoming decriminalized until they formulate a plan for full legalization............decriminalization could be done in a mater of months with the political willpower present...... That certainly doesn't fit the narrative in which they're framing this. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Trudeau and the Liberals could very simply remove Marijuana from the list of controlled substances resulting in it becoming decriminalized until they formulate a plan for full legalization............decriminalization could be done in a mater of months with the political willpower present...... Might not be a bad idea - suggest it to them. I can think of reasons they wouldn't want to go that way but let me know what they say. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) That certainly doesn't fit the narrative in which they're framing this. Removing laws are simple (The Tories tossed the LGR in months), it is the creation of new laws to make it a legally regulated substance that will take time.....if they had of tabled changes to the Controlled Substance Act before Christmas, removing Pot, there is no reason the changes couldn't receive Royal Assent by late March or early April of this year. Edited January 9, 2016 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Might not be a bad idea - suggest it to them. I can think of reasons they wouldn't want to go that way but let me know what they say. What reasons? Removing Pot from the list of controlled substances would be easy. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 I think it's quite interesting that JT has appointed Bill Blair to oversee the legalization process. I imagine Blair would have a very good handle on how to get that done and also how useless the criminal law pertaining to pot use is. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 What reasons? Removing Pot from the list of controlled substances would be easy. 1. It may not be as easy as you claim and they may not want to waste time on an interim step. 2. They may be concerned that decriminalization may give legalization opponents to convince the public that's good enough and there is no reason to legalize 3. If they decriminalized, it would be interpreted by many as a sign that they never intended to legalize and they would feel betrayed. Look at Huxley's reaction to a random media story which had nothing to do with the Liberals. It's like I said - suggest it to the Liberals. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 I think it's quite interesting that JT has appointed Bill Blair to oversee the legalization process. I imagine Blair would have a very good handle on how to get that done and also how useless the criminal law pertaining to pot use is. It's a smart move because Blair will be best positioned to face down the law-and-order freaks who will oppose this. He will carry credibility when he says that prohibition is counter-productive. I have to wonder if this is a big part of the reason Trudeau recruited him. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Removing laws are simple (The Tories tossed the LGR in months), it is the creation of new laws to make it a legally regulated substance that will take time.....if they had of tabled changes to the Controlled Substance Act before Christmas, removing Pot, there is no reason the changes couldn't receive Royal Assent by late March or early April of this year. It seems that, in order to win the support of the international bodies that we need the support of, the government is framing this from a least harm point of view. Decriminalization comes with no laws and no safety standards. Quote
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