Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So you're saying you gun rights guys have the same kind of mentality as the crips and bloods? Where did I say that? If a citizen of Texas follows the letter of the law in regards to the use of lethal force, I fail to see how that equates to criminal gangs..... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So armoured car crews are armed so everyone should be armed. Got it. I stand by my original assessment. Actually, it doesn't appear that you "got it", as I never suggested "everyone" should be armed. Quote
Argus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I already provided you the Texan laws on use of force, which include trespassing. You didn't read your cite, did you? It refers to criminal trespassing, and defines it thusly: CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person enters or remains on or in property of another, including residential land, agricultural land, a recreational vehicle park, a building, or an aircraft or other vehicle, without effective consent and the person: (1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or (2) received notice to depart but failed to do so. So there's no question that ringing a bell and then running away - ie, leaving a person's property, cannot constitute criminal trespass. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Where did I say that? If a citizen of Texas follows the letter of the law in regards to the use of lethal force, I fail to see how that equates to criminal gangs..... If you're okay with people shooting anyone who brushes against them on the sidewalk then that's basically the same sort of mentality as street gangs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 You didn't read your cite, did you? No I read it fully, you're omitting this passage: "Notice" means: (A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner; (fencing or other enclosure obviously designed to exclude intruders or to contain livestock; © a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, indicating that entry is forbidden; Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I already provided you the Texan laws on use of force, which include trespassing. So I guess in Texas as long as you put up a no trespassing sign you can shoot that damn mailman when he tries to bring you your phone bill. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 If you're okay with people shooting anyone who brushes against them on the sidewalk then that's basically the same sort of mentality as street gangs. How so? If a man brushed up against my wife or daughter, in such a way to invoke my displeasure, how does that equate to a transfixed "thug life"? Quote
Wilber Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Actually, it doesn't appear that you "got it", as I never suggested "everyone" should be armed. There is nothing to get as long as you keep bringing up such stupid straw men instead of getting to the point. What exactly do you think gun laws should be in Canada? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 How so? If a man brushed up against my wife or daughter, in such a way to invoke my displeasure, how does that equate to a transfixed "thug life"? We read about these sorts of shootings all the time where some guy bumped shoulders with another guy by accident, often in some kind of nightclub, and suddenly "I is being disrespected!' and the gun comes out. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 There is nothing to get as long as you keep bringing up such stupid straw men instead of getting to the point. What exactly do you think gun laws should be in Canada? The issuance of ATC permits (as found with the Canadian Firearms Act) to be more commonplace for those individuals that feel they require one for the protection of their life and the life of their family. That of course would include both the carrying of firearms concealed and openly as prescribed within the Firearms Act, as such, in some examples, would be similar with the Texan laws from the OP. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 We read about these sorts of shootings all the time where some guy bumped shoulders with another guy by accident, often in some kind of nightclub, and suddenly "I is being disrespected!' and the gun comes out. That doesn't equate to the cited stats of convictions of CHL holders in Texas. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 The issuance of ATC permits (as found with the Canadian Firearms Act) to be more commonplace for those individuals that feel they require one for the protection of their life and the life of their family. That of course would include both the carrying of firearms concealed and openly as prescribed within the Firearms Act, as such, in some examples, would be similar with the Texan laws from the OP. That seems like a lot of bother. It might be easier if you just moved to Texas. Then you could test your knowledge of the US constitution by shooting the meter reader. they already have F-35's so it would be a perfect fit. Let us all know how that works out. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 That seems like a lot of bother. Not the slightest, the laws are already enacted, the only requirement would be the the issuing of licences via each Province's chief firearms officer. It might be easier if you just moved to Texas. I've lived there and travel to a handful of times each year for work.........but I fail to see what my geographic location has to do with this topic, and this is the second time you posed the question in as many days. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Not the slightest, the laws are already enacted, the only requirement would be the the issuing of licences via each Province's chief firearms officer. I've lived there and travel to a handful of times each year for work.........but I fail to see what my geographic location has to do with this topic, and this is the second time you posed the question in as many days. Well, you seem to have a need for crazy laws and they already have them. Just seems like a natural fit. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Well, you seem to have a need for crazy laws and they already have them. Just seems like a natural fit. How are such laws "crazy"? Both the Canadian RPAL and Texas CHL licenses contain provisions to omit mentally disturbed people. Quote
Wilber Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) The issuance of ATC permits (as found with the Canadian Firearms Act) to be more commonplace for those individuals that feel they require one for the protection of their life and the life of their family. That of course would include both the carrying of firearms concealed and openly as prescribed within the Firearms Act, as such, in some examples, would be similar with the Texan laws from the OP. Fair enough but not interested in imitating Texas in its desire to return to the wild west. Wouldn't vote for anyone who proposed anything like what you want. Do my best to see they didn't get elected. Edited January 7, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 .... Wouldn't vote for anyone who proposed anything like what you want. Do my best to see they didn't get elected. That's OK, far more unconcerned Canadians vote for Texas each year with their snowbird dollars. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Fair enough but not interested in imitating Texas in its desire to return to the wild west. Wouldn't vote for anyone who proposed anything like what you want. Do my best to see they didn't get elected. And that is a statement not supported by fact, as indicated, Texan CHL holders have a far smaller conviction rate, for any crimes, then the general public, as such, a return to the "Wild West" isn't predicated by the lawful carrying of firearms. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 That's OK, far more unconcerned Canadians vote for Texas each year with their snowbird dollars. Indeed, and in many aspects relating to personal freedoms, Texas is one of the more progressive bastions within the United States and North America, putting actual action ahead of talk...........how many other locals have for instance openly gay three term mayors and three term gay minority elected Sheriffs? Quote
overthere Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 That's OK, far more unconcerned Canadians vote for Texas each year with their snowbird dollars.Really? Where do they come from in Canada? Western Canadians go to Arizona and Califronia for the weather. Easterners, mostly Florida. Everybody goes to Lost Wages. Do't think many go to Texas. Well, nobody is going anywhere with a $.71 loonie. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Really? Where do they come from in Canada? Who knows, but Brownsville and Corpus Christi are full of pale Canadians..... Quote
Wilber Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 And that is a statement not supported by fact, as indicated, Texan CHL holders have a far smaller conviction rate, for any crimes, then the general public, as such, a return to the "Wild West" isn't predicated by the lawful carrying of firearms.I don't care. You and I have diametrically opposed view of the society we want to live in. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Really? Where do they come from in Canada? Same places....Canadian Snowbird Association (based in the USA) reports that Florida, Arizona, California, and Texas remain the top states for Canadian snowbirds. Some even have guns....gosh !!! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 How are such laws "crazy"? I truly believe that anyone who has to carry around a gun to feel safe has issues and should seek professional help. Both the Canadian RPAL and Texas CHL licenses contain provisions to omit mentally disturbed people. That's funny because the words "mentally disturbed people" immediately come to mind when I see a picture of some hillbilly carrying a gun wearing a t-shirt that says "The tree of liberty" at a presidential rally. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I truly believe that anyone who has to carry around a gun to feel safe has issues and should seek professional help. You base this opinion of yours on what? That's funny because the words "mentally disturbed people" immediately come to mind when I see a picture of some hillbilly carrying a gun wearing a t-shirt that says "The tree of liberty" at a presidential rally. I wonder what Freud would call a person that projects mental illness onto people that don't share his or hers own opinion. Quote
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