Charges finally laid in the Ontario Gas Plant Scandal

[Bob Macadoo]

But the Province has the power to cancel the plants, so they bear the responsibility of the decision to locate them there. Especially when McGuinty initially labelled opponents as NIMBYs. Similar to opponents of Wind farms but those people never vote Liberal.

Wait wait. Are you saying it would've been your preference for the gov't to remove all decision making from the arm's length organization before any of this mess began?

[Boges]

Wait wait. Are you saying it would've been your preference for the gov't to remove all decision making from the arm's length organization before any of this mess began?

I'm not privy to how the plans to locate these plants were presented. Perhaps it was a poor decision for OPG to choose those sites. My beef is that McGuinty was adamant that these plants get built. Then cancelled them at a great cost when he stood to lose seats.

[Bob Macadoo]

I'm not privy to how the plans to locate these plants were presented. Perhaps it was a poor decision for OPG to choose those sites. My beef is that McGuinty was adamant that these plants get built. Then cancelled them at a great cost when he stood to lose seats.

The sites were selected unbiased by the OPA (not OPG) using siting guidelines developed by them. McGuinty thought he could be Premier Dad and convince us it was best for us but was knocked flatfooted that there was a concentrated ground game in that area to oppose him. He caved like every politician facing a defeat (See John Tory RE; Subway vs. LRT in Toronto). What he should've done is stayed out and just blamed it on OPA like any other politician would do (ie. indict bureaucracy).

[Boges]

This is funny

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ex-liberal-staffer-charged-in-gas-plant-scandal-to-crowdsource-legal-costs/article28014546/

A former Ontario Liberal political staffer facing criminal charges related to the gas-plant scandal is turning to crowdsourcing to fund her legal defence.

Laura Miller, who was deputy chief of staff to premier Dalton McGuinty, had raised $15,095 from 22 donors as of Monday evening. Her FundRazr.com page was launched on Dec. 24. According to the site, she is hoping to raise a total of $100,000 to help pay her legal bills. She has retained Clayton Ruby, a high-profile Toronto human rights lawyer.

Ms. Miller appears to have received financial contributions from several prominent Liberals, including the president of the British Columbia Liberal Party and a former B.C. cabinet minister.

Ms. Miller went to work for the B.C. Liberals after Mr. McGuinty stepped down in 2013. She left her job as the party’s executive director last month when she was charged.

Guess she's being thrown under the bus. You'd think the Party would help her out. I guess if they do it implicates them in the criminal behaviour. Got to wonder if her defence will include saying she just followed orders from the government.

[PIK]

Now it seems both Manitoba and QUE offered to look after most of our hydro needs, with clean sustainable and cheap energy. No need for gas fired plants and solar and turbines, but ONT said no. What is going on with these people.

[Keepitsimple]

Gas plants or not, we're talking about improperly destroying government information. These facts seem pretty clear:

1) Did the hard drives get erased? Yes.

2) Were they erased by the IT department following established procedures? No.

3) Did Laura Miller's fiancee erase the hard drives? Yes. He was paid $10,000.

These questions remain:

1) Who gave the order to erase the hard drives?

2) Who was party to the decision and/or it's execution?

Everything else is noise:

1) Gas plants scandal, Ornge scandal, eHealth scandal, MARs scandal, Sudbury by-election scandal......it doesn't matter - it's all speculation as to what was on the drives - the fact is that government data was improperly and intentionally destroyed.

2) Even if there is a teeny weeny chance that there might be a plausible explanation for wiping the hard drives, there is NO reason why the drives needed to be erased by a third party, non-government resource in the middle of the night - so any hope of plausibility is down the drain.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Keepitsimple

[ironstone]

Now it seems both Manitoba and QUE offered to look after most of our hydro needs, with clean sustainable and cheap energy. No need for gas fired plants and solar and turbines, but ONT said no. What is going on with these people.

Yes,Ontario could likely have gotten all the electricity we need from Manitoba and Quebec without all of these intermittent forms of energy like wind and solar.But since we have to pay astronomical rates for wind and solar energy,people with the right connections stand to become enormously wealthy.

http://www.tomadamsenergy.com/2015/08/20/publicprivate-sunshine/

I see Laura Miller has started a fundraising campaign for her defense and she is already 1/3 of the way to her goal.I wouldn't give her a damn nickel.I wonder how much evidence the OPP has against her......and if it's on hard drives.....

Prediction,she and the others will get off.

[TimG]

I see Laura Miller has started a fundraising campaign for her defense and she is already 1/3 of the way to her goal.I wouldn't give her a damn nickel.I wonder how much evidence the OPP has against her......and if it's on hard drives.....Prediction,she and the others will get off.

I suspect the "public appeal" is a money laundering scheme that allows the Libs to funnel money for her defense without it becoming a media story. In return she agrees to keep what she knows secret to protect the Libs. Edited January 7, 2016 by TimG