Islamophobia in Canada

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Omni said:

And when I read a book I read "entirely off the page". 

Nice. Now if only you could stop your lips from moving while reading, that would be progress.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Nice. Now if only you could stop your lips from moving while reading, that would be progress.

In order to deliver a speech you have to move your lips, even when you read it. But this is getting off topic. Go to the SU where you started to carry on would be best.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It shouldn't.

I could hit you with a shovel and it would barely register in comparison.

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

I could hit you with a shovel and it would barely register in comparison.

Shovel for me again? Wow, thats like being on the honour role

[eyeball]

On 5/21/2017 at 8:09 AM, DogOnPorch said:

 

The German right wing didn't join the Nazis. The Weimar Government was eliminated.

Specifically it was eliminated by Paul Hindenburg, a lying right-wing conservative dunce who was easily manipulated - sounds familiar.

 

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Hindenburg as president often broke down in tears when confronted with decisions that required deep thoughts that he was incapable of, and despite his stress on loyalty and keeping one's words, Hindenburg was a selfish man who disregarded his friends and freely broke his promises when keeping his promises proved inconvenient.^[217]

Nonetheless, he was persuaded to run for re-election in the 1932 presidential election by the Kamarilla as well as by the Centre Party, the DVP and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD). The SPD regarded Hindenburg as the only man who could defeat Hitler and keep the Nazi Party from winning the elections (and they said so throughout the campaign); they also expected him to keep Brüning in office.^[218] Hindenburg had a different ideal about what he would do in his second term, writing on 25 February 1932: "Please see from the following that the charge that I opposed a government of the Right is completely false. It was not I...but solely the disunity of the Right (emphasis in the original) and its inability to come together in the main points that constituted the obstacle to such a development...Despite all the blows in the neck I have taken, I will not abandon my efforts for a healthy move to the Right".

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[Argus]

19 hours ago, Bob Macadoo said:

You are a paid interloper, Argus is a passionate debater who comes to this forum from honesty.  I disagree with his views on non-caucasians

What are you my views on non-Caucasians? And did you pull them out of the same orifice as the information about all the anti-Muslim topics I've started?

[Argus]

19 hours ago, Bob Macadoo said:

I assume a muslim deflowered his fiancee, or an immigrant was his boss and gave him unfavourable reviews.....maybe just his afghan ran away when he was a kid.

Or maybe he's a taxpayer, and maybe he hates waste, and maybe he hates stupid government policy that's designed to beggar Canada at the expense of venal political hacks.

[DogOnPorch]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Specifically it was eliminated by Paul Hindenburg, a lying right-wing conservative dunce who was easily manipulated - sounds familiar.

 

Already mentioned...Hindenburg was suffering from early dementia...no doubt easily manipulated. But he was passionately against the Communists as opposed to the National Socialists whom he thought crude lackeys he could manipulate. Funny how that works. 

[DogOnPorch]

20 hours ago, Bob Macadoo said:

You are a paid interloper, Argus is a passionate debater who comes to this forum from honesty.  I disagree with his views on non-caucasians but as has been said his views have been formed by his experience.  I am thankful not all have had the same.

I can appreciate his concern without being consumed by his zealotry.  Nuanced?

By you? Send that check...

[Bob Macadoo]

......many have that viewpoint without the disturbing passion you display.  So I would surmise there is a large portion more that has shaped your......advocacy.

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Or maybe he's a taxpayer, and maybe he hates waste, and maybe he hates stupid government policy that's designed to beggar Canada at the expense of venal political hacks.

 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎05‎-‎20 at 10:01 PM, dialamah said:

 Some people feel that Isreal's location was imposed upon them .

Believe me, I do have an idea.

 

Yah I know and they don't seem to recall any part of how their own people imposed themselves on the land of others- its a one way dialogue of reinventing history and it frustrates me all these years later people still think they can erase Israel as a mainstream political idea that leftists have embraced and are too cowardly to state in other than in code/ buzz words.

As for the second comment I was making a rhetorical comment not directed at you. Lol kind of silly directing the second one at you I agree but the device  of "people you speak to"-why not say MUSLIMS and say you are  trying to explain the Muslim political view in mainstream ME that calls for the undoing of Israel. Why use indirect references?.

That said you know I respect your opinions as progressive, clear and fair. I was more directing my comments at leftists  and anyone including Muslims embracing the destruction of Israel.

The real issues in the Middle East deal with water, what will happen to the Beduins in the face of ever expanding urbanization, what happens between Sunnis and Shiite, what happens between Western  Muslims and those in their faith in the ME holding on to traditional Eastern values and in turn embracing terrorism and extremism as a way to resist Westernization, etc. Using Israel's existence as an excuse to ignore these issues and pretend they don't exist to me is b,.s.

To me Muslim extremism is an attempt to resist the tide of Western ideology that comes through the internet and in the guise of Coke, MacDonald's, rap music, Adidas and nike, which have already gained a permanent foothold in the minds of young Muslims along with concepts as to sexuality that the traditional Muslim world sees as a cultural and religious war  by the West to undo everything Islam stands for.

Yesterday we see another classic attack in Manchester which at its root and substance will probably be some Muslim fundamentalist terrorist thinking he struck hard at Western corruption of the minds of children by killing those children and sending a message to others.  Ariana Grande is oh so decadent.  It is just  an extreme recycle  version of burning books, smashing records and caling Elvis and the Beatles agents of Satan, It wasn't too long ago Christian preachers were urging records be smashed - the problem though is they never went this far. We challenged fundamentalist preachers, just as we now challenge fundamentalist Muslims. Its not Islamophobia.

This brings us back to the topic-when does challenging Islamic extremist values stop being called Islamophobia? I get it. References that smeer all Muslims as negative that is not fair and its hateful. I get that. I argue that. I do not like however the selectivity of the MP and Trudeau as to  what I considered selective ethnic pandering to get brownie points after the attack on the Mosques. The attacks should have been condemned in a manner that did not single out hatred of Muslims as having a priority over other forms of hatred. That decision to phrase it as if it was more important to me was wrong.

This is a regime that exploits such themes for feel good moments. How long ago was Trudeau shedding a tear for aboriginals. When push comes to shove his inquiry as to missing aboriginal women has proven an insult to aboriginals and is shut down and its the same old Indian Affairs Ministry policies. This man in office has done nothing. His legacy has been to pander to political events for feel good photos. Period. He has not initiated one policy, passed one law. He avoids questions in Parliament and is now trying to change the law so he can avoid questions to continue his contempt for being accountable to Parliament. This is a spoiled brat who has avoided Parliament because he's an arrogant rich boy and does not feel he needs to explain himself. Mr. Silver Spoon rides in private jets and has private holidays with people his government funds. He sees no conflict. He has acted completely irresponsibly creating a debt that will curse generations to come and set of cycles of inflation many years from now.

He's deliberately allowed our immigration laws to collapse in chaos. He can not and has not expressed one policy that unifies Canadians.

Now he engages dishonestly in Tehran in reinstating relations with this nation knowing it engaged in cold blooded murder of Canadians. As I said that should be no surprise considering his anti semitic brother lobbies in favour of Iran and did a propaganda documentary favourable to their Muslim council representing it as a progressive force.

This is a man who has Omar Alleghbra an open anti semite and pro Hamas terrorist supporter as his ME advisor.

Watch how Trudeau will ignore the Persian community in Canada reinstating relations with Iran getting no apology for the death of an innocent journalist by their government. Islamophobia? You bet. The current regime fears progressive Muslims and gets into bed with extremist ones.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

11 hours ago, Bob Macadoo said:

......many have that viewpoint without the disturbing passion you display.  So I would surmise there is a large portion more that has shaped your......advocacy.

 

Your comments again bait and try get personal. You assume? Disturbing passion? Right. Your posing as a psychonanalyst and moral judge continues to show you have nothing to debate and your role is to come on this forum and bait and make snide personal attacks because you have NOTHING to contribiute other than a need to put down others. You feel superior now? What a joke.

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎05‎-‎22 at 1:12 AM, eyeball said:

I could hit you with a shovel and it would barely register in comparison.

You lift a shovel let alone know what one is. That was funny! More!.

"he showed up at the construction site wearing spandex-there was no choice but to stick a red flag where it did not shine and use him as

a traffic ordinance."

Rue 1777

Edited May 23, 2017 by Rue

[Goh Shenas]

We are the victims of terrorism from Muslims. Sunny based ISIL claimed repsonsibility for the horrific attack in Manchester yesterday. Shame on us and shame on president Trump for not being tough enough. They are going to kill jews as well. G-d bless jews and G-d bless Israel. B'ezrat HaShem, Am Israel Chai.  

[Argus]

14 hours ago, Bob Macadoo said:

......many have that viewpoint without the disturbing passion you display.  So I would surmise there is a large portion more that has shaped your......advocacy.

You don't think 9/11 shaped my 'advocacy'? You don't think the relentless drumbeat of outrages and slaughter, of gleeful murder and fanaticism coming from Muslims around the world, throughout the West and in Canada and the US might have 'shaped my advocacy'? You don't think my judgement might be influenced by things like Manchester, and the kind of mindset which could plan and perpetrate it? 

I've admitted before that I can be a judgmental SOB, and that judgement is often harsh, unrestrained by the dainty, delicate oh-so-precious desire for inclusiveness and embracing 'the other' that progressives use as a substitute for the religious beliefs they don't hold. Islam is a violent religion and ideology, a violently hateful and violently intolerant religion and ideology which inspires violence and intolerance in its adherents. It proscribes death for any which disagree with it, death for any who challenge it, death for any who even try to interpret it differently, death for those who do not obey its moral beliefs, death for those who offend it. The extremists aren't a fringe, they are the mainstream. It is the moderates who are a fringe, and they largely exist only in Western countries.

[DogOnPorch]

Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

The Holy Quran 9:111

https://quran.com/9/111

[scribblet]

On 5/21/2017 at 3:42 PM, Bob Macadoo said:

You are a paid interloper, Argus is a passionate debater who comes to this forum from honesty.  I disagree with his views on non-caucasians but as has been said his views have been formed by his experience.  I am thankful not all have had the same.

I can appreciate his concern without being consumed by his zealotry.  Nuanced?

DOP is a 'paid interloper'...  seriously, you can throw around this stuff with no proof.   I guess personal attacks really are the ammunition of the uninformed.

[DogOnPorch]

9 minutes ago, scribblet said:

DOP is a 'paid interloper'...  seriously, you can throw around this stuff with no proof.   I guess personal attacks really are the ammunition of the uninformed.

 

I still waiting for Bob's check.

[scribblet]

7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I still waiting for Bob's check.

It's in the mail.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

To me Muslim extremism is an attempt to resist the tide of Western ideology that comes through the internet and in the guise of Coke, MacDonald's, rap music, Adidas and nike, which have already gained a permanent foothold in the minds of young Muslims along with concepts as to sexuality that the traditional Muslim world sees as a cultural and religious war  by the West to undo everything Islam stands for.

Y

 

What might surprise you and Dialamah is moderate Muslims  will say those terrorists are not Muslims and what they are doing is not Islamic.  But what does the holy book Quran say?  Some say there are over 100 verses in it extolling violence.  This is a paradox.

Edited May 23, 2017 by blackbird

[Goh Shenas]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What might surprise you and Dialamah is moderate Muslims  will say those terrorists are not Muslims and what they are doing is not Islamic.  But what does the holy book Quran say?  Some say there are over 100 verses in it extolling violence.  This is a paradox.

No such a thing as moderate Muslims. They are just not compatible with other faiths.

[scribblet]

17 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said:

No such a thing as moderate Muslims. They are just not compatible with other faiths.

Well, IMO there are moderate Muslims but not enough of them speak out, likely for fear of reprisals.  

[Goh Shenas]

18 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Well, IMO there are moderate Muslims but not enough of them speak out, likely for fear of reprisals.  

Then why is it that none of these so called moderate Muslims comes forward when these terrorist activities occur? All they do is saying this is not what Islam is all about and what have you. They want to kill Jews/ Christians and any other peace loving individuals in the name of Islam. There are no moderate Muslims. The so called moderates are just a bunch of pacifists.

Edited May 23, 2017 by Goh Shenas

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said:

Then why is it that none of these so called moderate Muslims comes forward when these terrorist activities occur? All they do is saying this is not what Islam is all about and what have you. They want to kill Jews/ Christians and any other peace loving individuals in the name of Islam. There are no moderate Muslims.

Don't talk wet.  The fact is there is no obligation on the part of any Muslims to come forward and condemn these actions, and yet many do.  I sympathise with the millions of Muslims who are just as horrified as we are at these atrocities.  How does one go about their daily lives knowing they are so closely linked to such barbarism?

The idea that all criticism and abhorrence of Islamic excesses, from the bombing in Manchester to the recent canings in Indonesia can be taken to imply all Muslims are responsible is often the only argument some blinkered liberals have when it comes to such discussions.  Comments such as yours merely reinforce their argument.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Don't talk wet.  The fact is there is no obligation on the part of any Muslims to come forward and condemn these actions, and yet many do.  I sympathise with the millions of Muslims who are just as horrified as we are at these atrocities.  How does one go about their daily lives knowing they are so closely linked to such barbarism?

The idea that all criticism and abhorrence of Islamic excesses, from the bombing in Manchester to the recent canings in Indonesia can be taken to imply all Muslims are responsible is often the only argument some blinkered liberals have when it comes to such discussions.  Comments such as yours merely reinforce their argument.

 

The real victim here is Islam, after-all.