Paris Terrorist Attacks

[socialist]

You were never a teacher to begin with. This probably was your biggest error, in thinking you were. You have always been a slave to the system from the start.

But I am hoping you see the irony in your current stance of lambasting socialism while you are sporting Justin Trudeau's picture.

Yes, I was a teacher, and if you don't believe that...then so what. I would call you a slave of the system because you don't know that the world is run by shadows. You think that what the CBC tells you is the truth, and you fail to seek the truth. Maybe I was once a slave of the system, but you continue to be one while pretending you are in the know.

And that's a nice picture of JT, eh?

Edited November 22, 2015 by socialist

[GostHacked]

Yes, I was a teacher, and if you don't believe that...then so what. I would call you a slave of the system because you don't know that the world is run by shadows. You think that what the CBC tells you is the truth, and you fail to seek the truth. Maybe I was once a slave of the system, but you continue to be one while pretending you are in the know.

And that's a nice picture of JT, eh?

Ok, so you are missing the fact where I said I do not believe everything the CBC puts out. I guess that helps your argument some. If you want to be argumentative. But it seems that we are now arguing for the same thing, but somehow that means I am still arguing another side from you. It's not the first time I have encountered it, and it won't be the last.

Remember I was against the discovery learning method long before you came over to this side. So, if you want to talk about slaves to the system, I applaud the fact you are starting to break free from the mental slavery conditioning you have been subjected to, but there are many who have already taken that step. We have just been waiting for others to wise up to it.

Alright so let's get back on topic, this is getting into too much thread drift which could result in both of us taking some time off.

[socialist]

Ok, so you are missing the fact where I said I do not believe everything the CBC puts out. I guess that helps your argument some. If you want to be argumentative. But it seems that we are now arguing for the same thing, but somehow that means I am still arguing another side from you. It's not the first time I have encountered it, and it won't be the last.

Remember I was against the discovery learning method long before you came over to this side. So, if you want to talk about slaves to the system, I applaud the fact you are starting to break free from the mental slavery conditioning you have been subjected to, but there are many who have already taken that step. We have just been waiting for others to wise up to it.

Alright so let's get back on topic, this is getting into too much thread drift which could result in both of us taking some time off.

Do you think the Paris attacks are a step in the formation of a permanent police state?

What do you make of Albert Pike's past predictions for 3 world wars?

Edited November 22, 2015 by socialist

[GostHacked]

Do you think the Paris attacks are a step in the formation of a permanent police state?

What do you make of Albert Pike's past predictions for 3 world wars?

I don't know Albert Pike, so not going to speculate on what he talks about.

And if you have payed attention, I have been saying for close to a decade on this forum we are slipping into a surveillance police state. This attack on Paris is already being used to clamp down on security in the US, Canada, and many European nations. Belgium is on day 2 of a lock down. France will be in a state of emergency for some time, meaning it is a total police state during this declared state of emergency.

[socialist]

I don't know Albert Pike, so not going to speculate on what he talks about.

And if you have payed attention, I have been saying for close to a decade on this forum we are slipping into a surveillance police state. This attack on Paris is already being used to clamp down on security in the US, Canada, and many European nations. Belgium is on day 2 of a lock down. France will be in a state of emergency for some time, meaning it is a total police state during this declared state of emergency.

Albert Pike is from the past. His eerie predictions seem to be coming true.

Mind you, I don't see what the big ti foil fear of a police state is all about. If you are law abiding, you have nothing to fear, whether we live in a safe police state or not.

[GostHacked]

Albert Pike is from the past. His eerie predictions seem to be coming true.

Mind you, I don't see what the big ti foil fear of a police state is all about. If you are law abiding, you have nothing to fear, whether we live in a safe police state or not.

Sure sure, if you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about. This kind of thinking is really dangerous to a so called free society. Try to turn the surveillance in on those who are watching us and see what kind of reaction you get. If government is not doing anything wrong, then what's the problem?

[Guest]

Sure sure, if you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about. This kind of thinking is really dangerous to a so called free society. Try to turn the surveillance in on those who are watching us and see what kind of reaction you get. If government is not doing anything wrong, then what's the problem?

No problem at all. The idea that surveillance should not happen due to our "privacy" concerns is a very selfish and nonsensical one, in my opinion. No personal offence intended.

[GostHacked]

No problem at all. The idea that surveillance should not happen due to our "privacy" concerns is a very selfish and nonsensical one, in my opinion. No personal offence intended.

It's a hypocritical stance the government takes with surveillance is more telling to me than anything. You have to be as open as possible, but you WON'T get the same when we task the government to be open. If they were as open with their actions as they want us to be, then we can make something of this. That is not what we see. It is not selfish to have some sense of privacy. Why can't I be granted the same amount of privacy that would come with being Prime Minister?

[Big Guy]

About 10% of the population of France is Muslim. About 70% of the people in French jails are Muslim.

About 12% of the population of America is Black. About 40% of the people in American jails are Black.

Seems a bit disproportionate.

[Guest]

It's a hypocritical stance the government takes with surveillance is more telling to me than anything. You have to be as open as possible, but you WON'T get the same when we task the government to be open. If they were as open with their actions as they want us to be, then we can make something of this. That is not what we see. It is not selfish to have some sense of privacy. Why can't I be granted the same amount of privacy that would come with being Prime Minister?

I think you probably do have the privacy you need, in that no-one is actually going to know anything about you unless your observation is warranted by Humans. As to the government, I think one of the worst things they could do is be open about what they know. It would defeat the whole purpose.

[socialist]

About 10% of the population of France is Muslim. About 70% of the people in French jails are Muslim.

About 12% of the population of America is Black. About 40% of the people in American jails are Black.

Seems a bit disproportionate.

People who commit crime should go to jail. That's a simple concept to comprehend.....for most.

[Scotty]

About 10% of the population of France is Muslim. About 70% of the people in French jails are Muslim.

About 12% of the population of America is Black. About 40% of the people in American jails are Black.

Seems a bit disproportionate.

People go to jail proportionate to how much crime they commit.

From what you are posting it seems most of the crime in France is committed by Muslims.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Scotty

[GostHacked]

People go to jail proportionate to how much crime they commit.

From what you are posting it seems most of the crime in France is committed by Muslims.

Two scenarios, they are committing that much crime, or being prosecuted for anything that can be pinned on them.

[socialist]

Sure sure, if you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about. This kind of thinking is really dangerous to a so called free society. Try to turn the surveillance in on those who are watching us and see what kind of reaction you get. If government is not doing anything wrong, then what's the problem?

And we shall see gost, if your new hero, Trudeau will really be any different than Harper. It doesn't end well when one worships a politician.

[Scotty]

Two scenarios, they are committing that much crime, or being prosecuted for anything that can be pinned on them.

France is an enlightened democracy, and very left wing. It is one of those countries where you can be arrested for saying something racist to someone. And it has the European Union over them, whose courts can be appealed to, as well as multiple human rights bodies. I would suggest that if 70% of prisoners are Muslims that means Muslims have been committing a lot of crime in France.

[GostHacked]

And we shall see gost, if your new hero, Trudeau will really be any different than Harper. It doesn't end well when one worships a politician.

Harper was not my hero, Trudeau is not my hero.

[Big Guy]

"Last week’s massacre in Paris was not, as almost every writer mistakenly claimed, the worst atrocity in the City Of Light since World War II.

As the renowned Mideast expert Robert Fisk quickly pointed out, an even worse atrocity occurred in Paris 54 years ago, on 17 October, 1961."

This is the beginning of Eric's last blog:

http://ericmargolis.com/2015/11/the-first-paris-massacre/

There could never be an excuse for what happened recently in Paris but Eric does give some interesting history and some explanation for the Muslim dissatisfaction in France. For those interested in reading about all sides of this issue I recommend that you read the blog.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Big Guy

[Guest]

"Last week’s massacre in Paris was not, as almost every writer mistakenly claimed, the worst atrocity in the City Of Light since World War II.

As the renowned Mideast expert Robert Fisk quickly pointed out, an even worse atrocity occurred in Paris 54 years ago, on 17 October, 1961."

This is the beginning of Eric's last blog:

http://ericmargolis.com/2015/11/the-first-paris-massacre/

There could never be an excuse for what happened recently in Paris but Eric does give some interesting history and some explanation for the Muslim dissatisfaction in France. For those interested in reading about all sides of this issue I recommend that you read the blog.

I don't think I ever heard it referred to as the worst atrocity. I think I only ever heard it referred to as the worst attack. But then, my memory's not what it used to be.

[WestCoastRunner]

"Last weeks massacre in Paris was not, as almost every writer mistakenly claimed, the worst atrocity in the City Of Light since World War II.

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I don't understand why you would want to argue this statement. It's quite simply a headline to grab the interest of viewers and readers.

[Argus]

This isn't about Islam, however much people want it to be. It's about populations of disaffected, disillusioned young people. Radical Islam just happens to offer a convenient cause for these people to link up with.

There aren't disaffected, disillusioned young people in other communities?

[ReeferMadness]

There aren't disaffected, disillusioned young people in other communities?

You seem to be getting this backwards.

I've done of online reading on this topic and a pattern has emerged. I keep reading about cases where (like the Paris ringleaders), the individuals weren't especially devoted to Islam or like the 2 addicts in Victoria, converted to Islam but knew little about it. These people are angry, disillusioned for whatever reasons and are using Islam as a way to vent their rage.

I don't see it being inherently different that angry young people joining a gang. A generation ago, these people might have wound up in radical Marxist groups or radical environmental groups. Now, they wind up in radical Islamist groups.

[Guest]

You seem to be getting this backwards.

I've done of online reading on this topic and a pattern has emerged. I keep reading about cases where (like the Paris ringleaders), the individuals weren't especially devoted to Islam or like the 2 addicts in Victoria, converted to Islam but knew little about it. These people are angry, disillusioned for whatever reasons and are using Islam as a way to vent their rage.

I don't see it being inherently different that angry young people joining a gang. A generation ago, these people might have wound up in radical Marxist groups or radical environmental groups. Now, they wind up in radical Islamist groups.

They would still have been Marxists, so it would have been about Marxism, and they would still have been Environmentalists, so it would have been about Environmentalism.

The Paris murderers were Islamists, so it's about Islamism.

Why is that so hard to comprehend, and so hard to admit?

If you're suggesting that if they weren't killing people for Allah, they would be killing them for Al Gore, I don't agree with that.

[Argus]

You seem to be getting this backwards.

I've done of online reading on this topic and a pattern has emerged. I keep reading about cases where (like the Paris ringleaders), the individuals weren't especially devoted to Islam or like the 2 addicts in Victoria, converted to Islam but knew little about it. These people are angry, disillusioned for whatever reasons and are using Islam as a way to vent their rage.

I don't see it being inherently different that angry young people joining a gang. A generation ago, these people might have wound up in radical Marxist groups or radical environmental groups. Now, they wind up in radical Islamist groups.

You seem to be ignoring my question, and my point. Young people don't join gangs in order to commit suicidal attacks on rock music attendees.

The only 'disillusioned' people who seem to be drawn to murderous and genocidal murder are Muslims. Why is that?

Edited November 29, 2015 by Argus

[eyeball]

You seem to be ignoring my question, and my point. Young people don't join gangs in order to commit suicidal attacks on rock music attendees.

Paris would seem to suggest otherwise.

The only people who seem to be drawn to murderous and genocidal murder are Muslims. Why is that?

The only people in all of creation ever?

[Rue]

Ghost you can admit I am your hero, Don't be shy. I will tell you this though, in a world where its impossible to find a hero, I would say in all seriousness Ghost heroes are those folks in the midst of terror attacks who saved others. At least we all agree on that in this crazy phacked up world.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Rue