Doctors Without Borders (MSF) Canada Criticizes TPP Deal

[angrypenguin]

I see you're into 'pad post count' mode... throwing "in-depth" one-liners into pretty much every one of the top dozen or so threads! Hint: to run the table you need to get here earlier!

That's what happens when the left shows garbage left and right!

[Rue]

Oh look some bomb jokes. Hee hee. Tee hee hee. First off as one thread responder rightfully pointed out the patent for exclusive rights to manufacture and sell a drug have not been lengthened by this deal so it is absolutely false to conclude from what this organization said they were inferring that.

It would help if some of the leftist giggle pusses on this thread wait until they get a copy of the deal and read it. Hah, like you will understand it. Hey don't worry Johnny Mulcair the man with the hair, or Mrs. Trudeau will read it for you.

Now let's try explain to the giggly leftists the following:

1-there are considerable sums of money spent on research and development of a drug which are then

recapured in the price of the drug;

2-the delay in producing a drug is the result of testing to protect the public from dangerous side effects;

3-the risk in making any drug is extremely high and time consuming-all drugs are toxic-we use them because some of the side effects

of the toxicity we want and we feel will outweigh the negative ones;

4-any drug if taken long enough will because its a poison negatively impact on your liver, kidneys, heart, pancreas and other vital

organs-they at best address ony address certain symptoms of an illness, they can't cure them, and long term they will kill if you live long enough;

5-pharmceutical companies exposed to huge amounts for class action product liability law suits have to put money aside for that;

6-pharmaceutical companies employ millions both directly and indirectly.

7-when we expand the market we sell our drugs to, it means more Canadians get employed making the drugs to then send them to that bigger market;

8-the giggle poos on this thread worried about Canada not being able to compete have zero proof for that.

Now its interesting the organization quoted is alleged to have said what it did, but it does not have a copy of the deal, and I doubt the organization even said what the original thread creator claims it said.

Access to medication will not be restricted by a free trade deal that is sheer nonsense and ignorance as to how distribution of goods works in a free trade market-in fact increased access is the usual result-the real issue is not access to the medication, but protection against false medication, or inferior brands of medication-the countries in this trade deal will have to be able to prove they can create the exact same drug to be able to sell it-if anything it might make counterfeiting in these countries easier to find and prevent.

In any free trade agreement there are pros and cons but I do not think anyone giggling at bombs or who has a partisan agenda to piss on Harper even if they get their hands on the agreement, understand it.

[angrypenguin]

Oh look some bomb jokes. Hee hee. Tee hee hee.

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In any free trade agreement there are pros and cons but I do not think anyone giggling at bombs or who has a partisan agenda to piss on Harper even if they get their hands on the agreement, understand it.

You're missing the fact that the left have pointed to studies that anyone who considers them self a rightie is stupid even if the lefties are the ones who depend on social programs

Edited October 6, 2015 by Charles Anthony
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[cybercoma]

I realize Doctors Without Borders was only talking about developing nations because that's where they focus their efforts. The fact is this will have an effect everywhere. Higher cost pharmaceuticals means higher healthcare expenditures for the provinces and higher out of pocket expenses for Canadians without drug coverage. It's not just Doctors Without Borders pointing this out either. Others are now expressing concern about rising drug costs, as a result of TPP.

Christopher McCabe, research chair in emergency medicine research at the University of Alberta, said the TPP deal could drive up “the long term pharma bill for health care systems not just in Canada but for all of the countries that are going to be signatories to this agreement.”

“Either we will have to pay more for these drugs in the long term or the number of patients who we will be able to fund having access to them will remain narrower than it otherwise would have. It’s actually damaging to access.”

Full article here: http://globalnews.ca/news/2260479/tpp-deal-could-drive-up-the-cost-of-medicine-worldwide-say-health-advocates/

[Keepitsimple]

I realize Doctors Without Borders was only talking about developing nations because that's where they focus their efforts. The fact is this will have an effect everywhere. Higher cost pharmaceuticals means higher healthcare expenditures for the provinces and higher out of pocket expenses for Canadians without drug coverage. It's not just Doctors Without Borders pointing this out either. Others are now expressing concern about rising drug costs, as a result of TPP.

Full article here: http://globalnews.ca/news/2260479/tpp-deal-could-drive-up-the-cost-of-medicine-worldwide-say-health-advocates/

Your initial OP was an anti-Harper rant, most of which was not even mentioned in your supporting Press Release.....and your new article clearly states that all 12 signatories are subject to the same potential impact. I guess they are all incompetent?

[cybercoma]

Your initial OP was an anti-Harper rant, most of which was not even mentioned in your supporting Press Release.....and your new article clearly states that all 12 signatories are subject to the same potential impact. I guess they are all incompetent?

It's an anti-Harper rant because Harper is the one who agreed to this for Canada. I don't give a crap what other countries do. Let their people hold their governments accountable. My point remains the same. This will increase healthcare spending in Canada, whilst the provinces are already strapped for cash, whilst the Harper government failed to re-negotiate a new healthcare accord.

Edited October 7, 2015 by cybercoma

[Icebound]

Do not look at the TPP in isolation. You must look at it within the overall framework of Free Enterprise and the Capitalist System

The best description of the TPP in this overall framework is here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/robert-reich-saving-capitalism-tpp-1.3256940

A few excerpts:

From the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which shields the firearms industry from lawsuits by bereft family members, to laws that let companies charge high rates for slow internet, Reich offers a depressing litany of rules made by governments for the sole purpose of protecting rich corporations at the expense of the American public.

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"Negotiators worked overtime on terms to please multinational corporations — under close consultation with those same corporations. But there was no consultation with labour or civil society groups,"

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Drug companies are rewarded not for inventing drugs but for extending the exclusivity of existing drugs. (The TPP does exactly that.) Companies like Google, Amazon and Apple capture the value of patents and then are rewarded for "strategic litigation" to prevent anyone else from using them.

Because these advantages are constructed into the very fabric of the government and its rules, advocates of the "free market" fail to realize the winners have already been selected by the process of pre-distribution.

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Edited October 7, 2015 by Icebound