Springer Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I moved to Llloydminster, Alberta circa 1980 for a career closely related to the oil industry. I was there when the N.E.P. was inflicted upon its energy sector by P.E.T. and the Liberals. I saw the devastation of peoples' businesses and lives first hand.I'm a firearms owner, and I remember well the imposition of Bill C-68, which in no uncertain terms implied that, because I owned firearms, I could not be trusted, and thus I represented a criminal act waiting for a place to happen.Both were nothing more than the actions of a Liberal Party playing to its base support in eastern Canada for votes. An LPC that was all too accustomed to exploiting regional differences to serve its own ends.Then I watched the PCs yank a CF-18 maintenance contract won by a Winnipeg firm, and hand it off to a Quebec based company. More of the same old, same old, from a political party that, at its core, was not one iota different from the LPC. A PC party run by Red Tories whom had nothing but contempt for "conservatism", and westerners who identified with Conservative ideals.I returned to BC in 1993, and became a witness to the trashing of this province's economy by the NDP. Labor codes re-written for unions, everyone else be damned. Taxation that drove businesses into the ground, if not right out of the province. And a preoccupation with leftist, quasi-socialist ideology that refused to acknowledge any limits to spending. By the time British Columbians had finally had enough, 15,000 more were leaving BC than were moving here...something that had not happened since the early days of the W.A.C. Bennett regime. And BC had become a "have not" province, dependent on equalization dole...another first in four decades, thanks to the NDP.In a similar vein, under the NDP Saskatchewan was perennial recipient of federal dole, until Brad Wall and the conservative Saskatchewan Party came to power. And Bob Rae's NDP trashing of Ontario's economy is the stuff of political legend.In fact, aside from NFLD, beneficiaries of a booming energy sector, every province east of Saskatchewan now receives equalization dole. What do all those provinces have in common? Every one of them is, and has been for too many years, managed by left wing governments. And the provinces picking up the tab for equalization dole, are managed by, to one degree or another, conservative governments. Even Ontario, once the driving force of Canada's economy, thanks in large part to conservative policies and approaches to economics under various PC governments, has been brought to its knees by over a decade of left wing inspired principle inflicted by the current Liberal regime.And now we have an NDP government in Alberta hell bent on putting a final bullet into the energy sector, one already reeling from the effects of global oil prices that are the direct result of the Saudis' interventions. Oil prices crushed deliberately to effect the demise of both N. American shale exploration/production AND Canada's oil sands...their two greatest competitors for N. American oil markets, and the US dollars that flow from them into Saudi coffers.To the election before us...On the economy: The CPC has steered Canada through the toughest economic/financial times since the Great Depression. And has received accolades globally for its successes. That's the fact of it. And they did it while reducing tax burdens upon middle income Canadians and upon Canadian industry and small business. Yes, they racked up some debt, inevitable under the circumstances. But debt that is still but a fraction of the deficits that would have resulted from a Dion led coalition all too willing to pay any blackmail demanded by a Layton led NDP and Duceppe led BLOC to keep them in power! And through the first several years of recovery, both the NDP and LPC complained bitterly that the Harper government still was not spending enough.Bottom line: PM Harper has forgotten more about economics than any of the opposition leaders he has faced, and it is abundantly clear that this is the case this day. Harper remains the only adult in the room on the economy.On the energy sector: This government has recognized that the energy sector is a crucial part of the overall economy, which provides employment across the nation, be it in the oil fields, the manufacturing plants that supply equipment and materials, or Atlantic Canadians that can't find employment within their own provincial economies. One study, by TD Waterhouse if I recall correctly, estimated that, over twenty-five years, the oil sands alone would generate $2.6 TRILLION in economic activity, and over $600 BILLION would flow out of it to provincial and federal coffers in royalties and taxes. Yes, the Saudis' have managed to undermine this benefit to Canadians...for the short term! In the long term, the potential remains essentially the same. Pipelines are essential to the long term prospects of this sector. ONLY the CPC understands this. Both the NDP and LPC are either against all pipelines, or ever so reluctant to consider them in so much as they can withstand the braying and bitching of environmental activism to whom they shamelessly pander for votes and support on bended knee. (And don't even get me started on Obama and the Keystone! Canadian oil now barely fetches $20/bbl due to a bottleneck to US refineries the Keystone Pipeline would have solved. That SOB has singlehandedly cost Canadians tens of billions in lost revenues due to his preference for Hollywood cash flowing into Democrat collection plates over American's most reliable and longest standing ally on the entire planet.) Harper remains the only adult in the room who gets it.On national security: The Laurier Doctrine has been the backbone of the left's approach to national defense since the '50s, which plainly stated is as follows: The US will cover our sorry asses for us, so let's spend what should be allocated to defense on other stuff instead. Hence, decades of neglect to Canada's military, beginning with the PC's cancellation of the Avro Arrow project.That said: The position of both the NDP and LPC on Canada's role in the middle east crisis is, in a word, pitiful. Or, pathetic, or disgraceful, or despicable, or perhaps best stated as downright gutless. One can only wonder just how much horror it actually takes to finally motivate the usual suspects of the left wing to serious action. That the NDP and LPC would abandon the fight against the barbarian hordes of ISIS, and leave the heavy lifting to our allies is, IMHO, beyond contempt. But it certainly is consistent. As Harper so acutely stated it yesterday, "The enemy is not CSIS, it is ISIS!" Harper, yet again, is the only adult in the room whom understands the importance of Canada's role in global security, and the need to be defenders of human rights, and warriors for freedom.On the environment: I've delved into AGW extensively to find out what the truths actually are. The fanaticism, if not outright religious zealotry, that has become the trademark of environmental activism should be cause for alarm across the globe. Millions are being pumped into Canada from dubious sources to undermine our energy sector, this much is a given and quite provable. Hundreds of billions more are being pumped into bankrupt green schemes wholly reliant upon taxpayers' subsidies and artificially jacked energy costs to consumers for no more reason than to make appear reasonable the cost of energy from wind farms...which only work when the wind blows...and solar farms...which only work when the sun shines...stuff that isn't a mystery to your average twelve year old! I will only say this: Thank God Harper has been in charge for the last decade, as he has been the only adult in the room when the matter of climate change comes up! One cannot even begin to imagine the tens of billions either an NDP or Liberal government would have blown out Canadian taxpayers' butts on the stupid and utterly bankrupt schemes and just plain crap!!! And the claims that the CPC have undermined protection of the environment through de-regulation is just bull****! What they did is eliminate duplication across federal and provincial jurisdictions, duplication that mandated endless studies piled on top of bureaucratic quagmires of red tape leading to paralysis across the board. A pipeline (Kinder Morgan) that took two years from concept to moving oil in the early '50s, now can't get built in a manner of decades...if ever! And it's no secret whatsoever that both the NDP and the Liberals will blow their brains out trying to rebuild that bureaucratic plug to entirely new levels of perpetual navel gazing and jockeying for primacy.I could go further, but on these three counts, atop of the history I have witnessed, this election is, IMHO, a no-brainer.I'll be voting...again...for the Stephen Harper, the only adult in the room, and the Conservatives.Perfect? No. But he kicks the hell out of the alternatives. Edited September 12, 2015 by Springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 This couldn't be added to the other "Why I'm voting Conservative" thread? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Perfect? No. But he kicks the hell out of the alternatives. as the 'new guy' I called it shortly after your first posts... I think I asked you how short your pants were! That you would finish with the "perfect" reference is..... perfect! Right out of the latest PMO playbook. Nice try though... and I am saying no, forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 as the 'new guy' I called it shortly after your first posts... I think I asked you how short your pants were! That you would finish with the "perfect" reference is..... perfect! Right out of the latest PMO playbook. Nice try though... and I am saying no, forever! I love this new campaign message... Harper....he's not perfect! Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) Well, fact is, Waldo, nobody is perfect. You want perfect, you'll find it in the dictionary between "pedantic" and "petty". Politics is, and always has been, about compromise. It's not about the narrow view of getting everything one wants, which is naïve at best, and impossible in the real world. And... If I'm the guy in short pants, then I'd suggest you're probably the one still in diapers...and a tad on the wet side at that. Edited September 12, 2015 by Springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 you felt emboldened enough to strike up your own thread... that includes several references that have already been countered, many time over. As the new guy you certainly had the option to simply add your views into the long-running... concurrently running thread, "So this is why I'll be voting Conservative". You gave it away with your "perfect closing"... which it was! Now, pull up your pants, go back to the PMO, talk to the war room guys... and come back stronger (and smarter) next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Just for the record, bud, I live in the E. Kootenays of BC. My next job at any level of politics would be my first. Whatever. (...always come away feeling like I should have posted with crayons instead. You know what I'm sayin'?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I believe you, Springer. I love writing essays for message boards and using campaign slogans too. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I have no option but to vote conservative. The other parties are much too irresponsible, and our local MP is a great guy who will easily win his seat anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I believe you, Springer. I love writing essays for message boards and using campaign slogans too. Ouch. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada_First Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Just for the record, bud, I live in the E. Kootenays of BC. My next job at any level of politics would be my first. Whatever. (...always come away feeling like I should have posted with crayons instead. You know what I'm sayin'?) most of the socialists on this board only call people names. Offer nothing but snide remarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 If you have delved into AGW, perhaps you could describe the theory for me. I'm ever so confused by these sorts of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 most of the socialists on this board only call people names. Offer nothing but snide remarks. Sadly, that's pretty much true. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Most the lefties on any forum only know how to call people names and offer snide remarks. Some things never change, eh? Gets even worse in the comments sections of articles on MSM websites...one spends more than five seconds reading these, for example, on the CBC's, the next thing one wants to do is move to the nearest far away cave and wait for the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) deleted Edited September 13, 2015 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Sadly, that's pretty much true. Now that's rich coming from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Now that's rich coming from you. ...and you're one of the worst offenders. At least Springer was open enough to give his reasons. Would you be bold enough to tell us in such thorough and thoughtful terms why you would vote for "your guy"......? Here's a little helper.....if you'd care to contrast Stephen Harper with Justin Trudeau - just watch the Mansbridge interviews for substance and leadership (Harper) versus platitudes and naivitee.... Trudeau: Harper: Quote Back to Basics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 ...and you're one of the worst offenders. At least Springer was open enough to give his reasons. Would you be bold enough to tell us in such thorough and thoughtful terms why you would vote for "your guy"......? Here's a little helper.....if you'd care to contrast Stephen Harper with Justin Trudeau - just watch the Mansbridge interviews for substance and leadership (Harper) versus platitudes and naivitee.... You're obviously out of touch with the context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) I watched about five minutes of the Trudeau interview with Uncle Peter. That was about as much as I could choke down. You listen to him, and then to Harper, and then you try to imagine Justin sitting at the table in a G7 or G20 meet with other world leaders. If for no other reason, that's the deal breaker for me!!! He wouldn't have the foggiest clue in hell about anything being discussed. Keeeripes! I don't even want to think about that scenario!!! And Mulcair couldn't get through two consecutive sentences without using the UN and multilateralism to justify his position, or quoting David Suzuki on climate change. Edited September 13, 2015 by Springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I watched about five minutes of the Trudeau interview with Uncle Peter. That was about as much as I could choke down. You listen to him, and then to Harper, and then you try to imagine Justin sitting at the table in a G7 or G20 meet with other world leaders. If for no other reason, that's the deal breaker for me!!! He wouldn't have the foggiest clue in hell about anything being discussed. Keeeripes! I don't even want to think about that scenario!!! And Mulcair couldn't get through two consecutive sentences without using the UN and multilateralism to justify his position, or quoting David Suzuki on climate change. Harper's endless scripted talking points were not unexpected, but I could only tolerate so much after which I could change the channel and still know pretty much what was being said by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Let's talk about the G20. Harper spent 1 billion dollars of Canadian tax payers dollars for an army that day that had far more people than actual protestors. He makes Duffy look like amateur hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuFait Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Springer, I'm with you. I'll be voting Conservative on October 19th as well. The first priority of the Prime Minister, is the safety of Canadians. Prime Minister Harper gets this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Expect a whole slew of 'first posters' to appear and then disappear after this thread. Aufait the most dangerous thing to Canadians at this point is Harper opening his big mouth. Edited September 13, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Let's talk about the G20. Harper spent 1 billion dollars of Canadian tax payers dollars for an army that day thathad far more people than actual protestors. Oh, really? Nothing like a little looting and burning to make a point, eh? But then, I'm kinda, you know, conservative when it comes to BS like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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