Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) It is ironic that of all issues, the one of refugee acceptance may be the cause of the EU unravelling. Germany has called for mandatory quotas for member states for the settlement of refugees while member nations are balking at the directive. This is getting interesting. Germany can take them all. They're a big part of the problem to being with. These huge masses of people desperately heading north only became an impossible issue after Angela Merkel announced that Germany would ignore EU rules that refugees had to apply in the first EU member they landed and would accept any Syrian who got there through whatever means. Edited September 9, 2015 by Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I stand corrected, demographics are 72% http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html You're not looking at the big picture, just the small sample Ezra told you to look at. Once again, look at the data for the Total Persons of Concern. http://data.unhcr.or...es/regional.php Edited September 9, 2015 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Germany can take them all. They're a big part of the problem to being with. These huge masses of people desperately heading north only became an impossible issue after Angela Merkel announced that Germany would ignore EU rules that refugees had to apply in the first EU member they landed and would accept any Syrian who got there through whatever means. Germany will regret this but the flow is continuing and will likely increase. They are now pushing past police (in order to get to Sweden, Sweden has allready suffered from riots, I doubt thousands more will improve the situation. I have no doubt this is going to end in more riots and blood. The sheer numbers are hard to comprehend, so what is the upper limit for Europe and for Canada - should we take millions in no questions asked? BTW, Canada is the second highest for refugee resettlement http://www.unhcr.org/524c31a09.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I know..../snarc lefties hate math as much as facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) lefties hate math as much as factsSay the people who can't tell the difference between 75% and 23%. Edited September 9, 2015 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonJowett Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Say the people who can't tell the difference between 75% and 23%. The CPC has been spreading a lot of misinformation in this campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The CPC has been spreading a lot of misinformation in this campaign. Oh wow, as if the left hasn't been spreading a whole lot of manure themselves. really ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonJowett Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Oh wow, as if the left hasn't been spreading a whole lot of manure themselves. really ! Where did you hear about the NDP nationalizing Stelco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) You're not looking at the big picture, just the small sample Ezra told you to look at. Once again, look at the data for the Total Persons of Concern. http://data.unhcr.or...es/regional.php Well, gee. Look at that. Ezra Levant is full of crap again? Edited September 10, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The sheer numbers are hard to comprehend, so what is the upper limit for Europe and for Canada - should we take millions in no questions asked? What choice is there so long as we don't question why we keep creating the conditions compelling refugees to exodus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Eye you refer to WE as continuing to create the conditions compelling refugees to exodus as you said... who is WE Eye? Do not assign culpability to me for the actions of Assad, ISIL, Iran Al Quaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Muslim extremists and terrorists, their nations that sit and refuse to engage in diplomatic intervention and take in refugees-where the hell do you get off blaming me or any Canadian for that? You provide an excellent example of the shrill leftist b.s. rhetoric some of us challenge on this board. No do not lay that b.s. guilt trip on me or. Speak for yourself. You don't speak for me or anyone else. Take the royal prerogative WE and your attempt to blame me for 3,000 years of Muslim on Muslim violence in the ME file it under d for delusional. Edited September 10, 2015 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Why we keep creating the conditions compelling refugees to exodus\/ Who is we Eye. Do not assign culpability to me for the actions of Assad, ISIL, Iran Al Quaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Muslim extremists and terrorists, their nations that sit and refuse to engage in diplomatic intervention and take in refugees-where do you get off blaming me or any Canadian for that? You are an excellent example of the shrill leftist b.s. some of us challenge on this board. No you do not lay that b.s. guilt trip on me or any other Canadian. Speak for yourself. You don't speak for me or anyone else in this country, just yourself. Take the royal prerogative we and file it under d for delusional. So you're just going to ignore the last half a century of CIA, MI6 (now SIS), and western military manipulation and intervention in sovereign Middle Eastern states? You're going to pretend that the West didn't arm radicals to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan? That the West didn't pick sides in Iran, sparking off a revolution? That killing Saddam Hussein didn't create a political vacuum allowing extremists to gain power and influence? Pretending the West has absolutely no responsibility in the radicalization of the Middle East is laughably naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Germany can take them all. They're a big part of the problem to being with. These huge masses of people desperately heading north only became an impossible issue after Angela Merkel announced that Germany would ignore EU rules that refugees had to apply in the first EU member they landed and would accept any Syrian who got there through whatever means. There is one person, General Richard Hillier, who has a greater knowledge of the military and international issues than anyone here, who suggests that Canada accept 50,000 refugees this year. He is clearly a conservative and has been approached by the Conservatives to run as one of them in the next election. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/the-gargoyle-hillier-wants-canada-to-accept-50000-refugees-by-end-of-year What makes you folks right and him wrong? Edited September 10, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Pretending the West has absolutely no responsibility in the radicalization of the Middle East is laughably naive. There's more to it than that. Pretending is a tactic. Widespread naivete is the goal and in many cases is both feigned and wilful. It's pretty grotesque really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Eye you refer to WE as continuing to create the conditions compelling refugees to exodus as you said... who is WE Eye? Do not assign culpability to me for the actions of Assad, ISIL, Iran Al Quaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Muslim extremists and terrorists, their nations that sit and refuse to engage in diplomatic intervention and take in refugees-where the hell do you get off blaming me or any Canadian for that? You provide an excellent example of the shrill leftist b.s. rhetoric some of us challenge on this board. No do not lay that b.s. guilt trip on me or. Speak for yourself. You don't speak for me or anyone else. Take the royal prerogative WE and your attempt to blame me for 3,000 years of Muslim on Muslim violence in the ME file it under d for delusional. Rue, your viewpoint is both disgusting and repellent. Best you go waste it on someone who gives a shit. Edited September 10, 2015 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 There's more to it than that. Pretending is a tactic. Widespread naivete is the goal and in many cases is both feigned and wilful. It's pretty grotesque really. I get where they're coming from. ISIS is responsible for the direct actions of ISIS. But it's ridiculously myopic to think that ISIS exists in a vacuum and that there weren't influences from the West over two generations that lead to this moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I go even farther and say it's deliberately myopic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) I get where they're coming from. ISIS is responsible for the direct actions of ISIS. But it's ridiculously myopic to think that ISIS exists in a vacuum and that there weren't influences from the West over two generations that lead to this moment. Everything influences everything else. What a revelation. If you want to go back to the "root causes" in any meaningful way, the main reason "the West" got into the Middle-East in a big way at all in the 20th century is because of the Ottoman Empire's aggression against the Entente powers in WWI, which ended in its defeat and dissolution. After it fell apart, its territories became split up under the administration of the various victorious powers, just as Germany was after WWII. Edited September 10, 2015 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Everything influences everything else. Oh god. Give me a break. EVERYTHING influences EVERYTHING? That's what you're going with? You're just going to pretend the West hasn't had direct involvement in the region for two generations? That it's literally a straight fucking line between the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Actually it started with a guy named Adam and a woman named Eve. When Eve ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Oh god. Give me a break. EVERYTHING influences EVERYTHING? That's what you're going with? You're just going to pretend the West hasn't had direct involvement in the region for two generations? That it's literally a straight fucking line between the two? For one, you could try reading the rest of my post. Secondly, "the West" has had "direct involvement" in the middle east for a lot more than two generations. Probably the involvement has been significant ever since the Greco-Persian wars starting back in 500 BC. Edited September 10, 2015 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The only way this ends at all well is, believe or not, If Putin decides to end it. He's the only world leader with the power to do so. If he, as some suggest he might, sends in Russian troops and aircraft that could end the Syrian conflict, cut the legs out from under ISIS and make their operations in Iraq unsustainable. The Western powers don't have the balls to send troops in, and the Arabs don't have the will or reliable troops. The Turks could do it, but they're more Pro ISIS than they like to let on. Putin could end this in a couple of months, then do a quick changeout of someone else for Asad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) For one, you could try reading the rest of my post. Secondly, "the West" has had "direct involvement" in the middle east for a lot more than two generations. Probably the involvement has been significant ever since the Greco-Persian wars starting back in 500 BC. The West's policies had a direct impact on the creation of al Qaeda. They directly impacted Iran and their revolution, which lead to the regressive theocratic regime in place now. They directly led to the Taliban's hold on Afghanistan. They directly created the political vacuum in Iraq that allows ISIL to operate now. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So yeah. Go ahead and pretend that ohhh it's all just a big mish mash of history and the west really has nothing to do with anything. Edited September 10, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The only way this ends at all well is, believe or not, If Putin decides to end it. He's the only world leader with the power to do so. If he, as some suggest he might, sends in Russian troops and aircraft that could end the Syrian conflict, cut the legs out from under ISIS and make their operations in Iraq unsustainable. Right, like they did with their successful campaign in Chechnya and the North Caucasus region.........but only on an expeditionary scale into Syria like their past war in Afghanistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) The West's policies had a direct impact on the creation of al Qaeda. They directly impacted Iran and their revolution, which lead to the regressive theocratic regime in place now. They directly led to the Taliban's hold on Afghanistan. They directly created the political vacuum in Iraq that allows ISIL to operate now. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So yeah. Go ahead and pretend that ohhh it's all just a big mish mash of history and the west really has nothing to do with anything. No it's not "just a big mish mash". It is the history of humankind. The way the world is today is a function of the way the world was before. The history of the interaction between "the West" and the middle east did not start "two generations ago", despite you wanting to start your narrative then. In any case, while history is important to understand, constantly trying to assign blame and fault to "the West" for everything is an obsession of the far left, while more reasonable people would rather focus on understanding and resolving today's problems. And while providing temporary places for people to escape violence is a laudable goal, that is not how the refugee systems of most Western countries function (since they focus instead on permanently resettling small numbers of people rather than temporarily sheltering large numbers), nor will taking in refugees solve the fundamental issues at hand. Edited September 10, 2015 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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