guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 How not to get shot by police: 1) Don't commit crimes. 2) Don't hang around with people who are committing crimes. 3) If you get detained, don't fight the police. 4) Don't run away from an officer who is trying to arrest you. Do any combination of those, and you're essentially putting the bullets into your own body. #4 is against the law for cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 #4 is against the law for cops. How did that work out for Mr. Scott? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 And the cop is fired and charged with murder. . But you're still dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Hey and while you're making this point, why not just throw away the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and get rid of the entire court and prison system to save money. Cops can be judge, jury, and executioner in the streets. No need to waste money on trials or judges or incarceration or any of that nonsense. While that actually does sound like a pretty good idea, that's not what I'm talking about. What I mean is, who is right is virtually irrelevant in the moment. You can be in the right, but if you make a decision (or lack thereof) to put yourself in grave danger, being right won't make you any less dead if it goes badly for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 "Brothers and sisters, we are gathered here today to grieve for our beloved Walter and celebrate his life. We pray for justice and peace, and a very large wrongful death jury award to be paid by the city. Amen. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 No the assumption is spot on. The law says he can only shoot whereby immediate danger to life is imminent. He was stopped for a b roken tailight , which in cop speak means to go hassle some one. So all the evidence the Cop had, and the rules he is to operate under means the gun was not to come out. So you know for s fact he was shot because he ran away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 While that actually does sound like a pretty good ideaRemind me not to discuss things with you any longer because I tend to make the assumption that I'm dealing with rational people. If you think living in the world of Judge Dredd sounds pretty good, then you're violating that assumption of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Incidents like this where the shootings are justified, eh? I guess that sums up your true thoughts on this situation. Such a waste of time, ignored Edited April 10, 2015 by poochy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 While that actually does sound like a pretty good idea, that's not what I'm talking about. What I mean is, who is right is virtually irrelevant in the moment. You can be in the right, but if you make a decision (or lack thereof) to put yourself in grave danger, being right won't make you any less dead if it goes badly for you. True, and being shot in the back for nothing is always wrong, i don't think there needs to be any qualifications of what happened, someone was murdered, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So you know for s fact he was shot because he ran away.No, he shot him becuase the cop was an idiot with no reason to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 This cop should be on trial for murder. But guess what? Hands up, don't shoot still never happened. It's what some of you are trying to imply. Each case is different. Learn to love facts and forensic science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 No, he shot him becuase the cop was an idiot with no reason to do so. Well that was my point. I didn't see anything on that video that warranted the man being shot, so I just wondered why everyone was so sure it was because he ran. The video is very damning but you can be sure there is more to this than just the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 No, he shot him becuase the cop was an idiot with no reason to do so. It's not either, or. It's both. Idiot cop shot him, because he ran away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Remind me not to discuss things with you any longer because I tend to make the assumption that I'm dealing with rational people. If you think living in the world of Judge Dredd sounds pretty good, then you're violating that assumption of mine. You're the one who made the idiotic suggestion, you might want to take a look in the mirror when you talk about who is or is not acting rationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's not either, or. It's both. Idiot cop shot him, because he ran away. All you know is that he was shot while running away. That doesn't automatically mean it was the reason he was shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 All you know is that he was shot while running away. That doesn't automatically mean it was the reason he was shot. Really? Did you watch the video? Coward cop shot him in the back and planted his stun gun near him. Cop is fired and charged with murder. It's not looking good for your theory, whatever it is. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Really? Did you watch the video? Coward cop shot him in the back and planted his stun gun near him. Cop is fired and charged with murder. It's not looking good for your theory, whatever it is. . I don't have a theory. I just look at the video and see someone being shot in the back while running away. Unlike others, I don't pretend to know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think it is a stretch to assume he would be alive if he hadn't run. Uh, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Uh, why? Because you don't know whether that was the reason he was shot. We don't know what was going on between the two of them before he ran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 What I am saying is that there are other circumstances that could have resulted in him being shot. Assuming it was just because he ran is just that, an assumption. Assuming it was because he was black is also an assumption. Look, while i was at the dentist' waiting room I saw these self righteous women on TV today from Toronto. One of them, who was evidently some sort of minority, talked about 'white privilege", and righteously said "I have to tell my sons that if they see a police officer they must be polite and do nothing to appear dangerous or threatening", and suggested white parents don't need to do that. The thought which came to mind was "white parents don't need to because their kids don't generally give the cops any problems". My parents sure as hell never told us that if a cop questioned us we weren't to get snotty or threatening or try to grab their gun or run off. They would simply assume we would behave around cops without such a warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 And the cop is fired and charged with murder. . Small consolation. What he wrote is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 All you know is that he was shot while running away. That doesn't automatically mean it was the reason he was shot. He was shot because he ran away, struggled physically with the cop, which apparently got the cop's testosterone up too high, and then ran away again. Yes, the cop was an idiot, but guess what, some of them are, which is why you don't provoke them any more than you taunt pitbulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Because you don't know whether that was the reason he was shot. We don't know what was going on between the two of them before he ran. We know he ran, there was a struggle, and then he ran again. We know that had he cooperated, given the unexcited tone of the earlier video from the cop car, he'd probably have been handcuffed and taken in on his outstanding warrant in a very routine fashion. True, as we've seen some cops are morons, which is why, given they're armed morons, you try not to provoke them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 He was shot because he ran away, struggled physically with the cop, which apparently got the cop's testosterone up too high, and then ran away again. Yes, the cop was an idiot, but guess what, some of them are, which is why you don't provoke them any more than you tauent pitbulls. All of which is your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 He was shot because he ran away, struggled physically with the cop, which apparently got the cop's testosterone up too high, and then ran away again. Yes, the cop was an idiot, but guess what, some of them are, which is why you don't provoke them any more than you taunt pitbull There wasn't much thinking going on either side, but police officers have training, and while i dont think the victim thought it through, as in, 'if i run away he won't shoot me in the back' if you have to think about that likelihood just in case he might be a little amped up, and he might gun you down, then something is horribly wrong with the police. Maybe there really is, but i'm more inclined to think this guy is an aberration, we should all hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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