Historic deal between Iran and the world could happen

Rue · April 2, 2015

China is of course involved. China is the principal exporter of Iran's natural gas and oil. That necessarily makes it directly involved. If those gas and oil supplies were cut off by a war it would be serious for China's economy.

China also made it clear to Iran despite their close economic ties that it has a military alliance with Israel. China has also been active in upgrading its relations with both Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Israel welcomed China's initiative left by the void created when Obama abandon those 3 traditional US allies.

India for that matter has imitated China. It has tried to repair relations with Iran while making it clear its maintaining a military relationship with Israel.

Germany has done the same. While it has increased overtures and economic projects with Iran it signalled Iran it would not abandon Israel by providing Israel state of the art submarines.

Russia which openly sided with Iran over Syria has also made overtures to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Israel at the same time.

For that matter France, has sent a mixed signal to Iran saying it is far tougher then the US on terms for a nuclear containment treaty with Iran but at the same time has told them they will do business with Iran if they genuinely de-escalate their nuclear enrichment.

These countries stepped into the vacuum created by Obama when Obama over-played his hand and permanently lost face with the Sunni monarchies because he tried to back the Muslim Brotherhood regimes of Sudan, Egypt, Turkey as their successor..

Obama the idiot has made overtures to Iran saying hey you know what, my enemy is your enemy let's be friends. You do not do that to a Persian an Israeli or an Arab.

That is as insulting as it gets in Middle East or Persian culture. There is a code in the Middle East, you stand tall and alone. Your pride is what keeps you alive. Its all about how you stand and show yourself. You never lose face. Ever. If you were to ally with someone who killed your people it is no different then agreeing to sodomy.

Its why Netanyahu warned for 8 years to Obama. do not try suck up to either side. Mind your own business. Keep your distance. Its not how things are done. The Middle East is about standing alone and making it clear there is no ally and you fight for yourself and depend on no one but yourself. Obama can not grasp that.

In turning on Netanyahu, Obama showed the very enemies of Israel in the Arab world, both the extremist Sunnis and Shiites, Iran, and all the Arab League Netanyahu will put the safety of his people before any perceived alliance with the US.

That is the very same mentality Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt deeply understand. It is the code of the desert. Its a classic

cultural imperative that dates back thousands of years.

Alliances in the Middle East are only temporary, fleeting and can change in a second but you do not break bread with people who have your people's blood on your hands, ever.

Russia, India, China, Germany, France, Germany, Britain get it. Obama does not.

Obama lives in a fantasy world-a world of elitist privilege and educational concepts where he thinks Arabs and Persians are dirty savages and he is their messiah and he will be the one to show them how to put the Jew and for that matter Christians in their place and create a new Muslim world order.

He has contempt for all the Middle East. He's fueled by this know it all arrogance that flows from mama's molly coddling. He's a Mama's boy convinced he is the world's gift and all he has to do is grin and the world would worship him. Seems Barry's w orld has not evolved. His problem? He believed the fantasy script his handlers gave him.

Obama is a failed CIA experiment. He's a virus grown in a petrie dish in a CIA lab. He was to be unleashed in the Muslim world and have his ideas spread like cancer. Only the Sunni monarchies and the Sunni and Shiite extremists al had auto-immune systems that easily rejected him, He sure as hell did not penetrate Netanyahu's colon.

Edited April 2, 2015 by Rue

dre · April 2, 2015

Now that Iran is getting nukes(I think only Obama is stupid enough to keep repeating it's for energy use only)

This reminds me of the gigantic assumptions made prior to the invasion of Iraq. "OF COURSE Sadam has a big active WMD production complex!!!!". Problem is such assumptions might "feel" right but they often are not, and in the case of Iran, intelligence agencies have cast a lot of doubt on whether or not they have a nuclear weapons program AT ALL, never mind how far along it might be.

And the reality is as signatory to the NPT Iran has the legal right to enrich uranium.

The best case scenario here is to make a deal with Iran that gives the IAEA full visibility into their programs, and imposes punishing economic santions on Iran if they dont honor it.

dre · April 2, 2015

Obama is a failed CIA experiment. He's a virus grown in a petrie dish in a CIA lab. He was to be unleashed in the Muslim world and have his ideas spread like cancer. Only the Sunni monarchies and the Sunni and Shiite extremists al had auto-immune systems that easily rejected him, He sure as hell did not penetrate Netanyahu's colon.

Good grief. What a bunch of mindless garbage.

dre · April 2, 2015

You are showing an ignorance of history. North Korea was pursued to sign a nuclear deal, and they made the US pay dearly to get their signature.

Thats not a reason to not TRY to use diplomacy to prevent proliferation. We had pretty good success with countries like Libya and South Africa. And theres really nothing to lose from this deal. If Iran honors the terms then we will be able to monitor what they are doing, and be able to verify theres no weapons program. If they dont then all other options are still possible.

Shady · April 2, 2015

Unfortunately Iran as usual has changed their stance on previously agreed to positions at the 11th hour. There will be no deal right now. Time to ratchet up the sanctions again.

GostHacked · April 2, 2015

Unfortunately Iran as usual has changed their stance on previously agreed to positions at the 11th hour. There will be no deal right now. Time to ratchet up the sanctions again.

Forget the west, blame the rest!

marcus · April 2, 2015

Obama is a failed CIA experiment. He's a virus grown in a petrie dish in a CIA lab. He was to be unleashed in the Muslim world and have his ideas spread like cancer. Only the Sunni monarchies and the Sunni and Shiite extremists al had auto-immune systems that easily rejected him, He sure as hell did not penetrate Netanyahu's colon.

Wow.

marcus · April 2, 2015

Unfortunately Iran as usual has changed their stance on previously agreed to positions at the 11th hour. There will be no deal right now. Time to ratchet up the sanctions again.

Here is a recent history lesson that will most likely bounce off your forehead and not be included in your future random thoughts - Because that's who you are:

When Bush decided to ratchet up the sanctions against Iran, Iran ended up increasing the nuclear activity and the number of centrifuges.

Shady · April 2, 2015

Here is a recent history lesson that will most likely bounce off your forehead and not be included in your future random thoughts - Because that's who you are:

When Bush decided to ratchet up the sanctions against Iran, Iran ended up increasing the nuclear activity and the number of centrifuges.

Um, the recent and most pressing sanctions have come under Obama, in 2009 and 2011. They're actually what brought Iran to the negotiating table. Unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about.

marcus · April 2, 2015

Um, the recent and most pressing sanctions have come under Obama, in 2009 and 2011. They're actually what brought Iran to the negotiating table. Unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry Shady. You need to look up the sanctions imposed to get a better understanding.

The major UN sanctions were started by and passed under Bush who did not want to negotiate any deals with Iran, even though Iran reached out. The approach that you keep screaming for.

Obama did accept sanctions BUT the big difference here is that Obama reached out to Iran and said that he is open to making a deal. That's the big difference.

bush_cheney2004 · April 2, 2015

Sure...make a bad deal. Israel ain't making any such deal...can always bomb Iran later.

marcus · April 2, 2015

Bad news for Israel, GOP and Saudi:

FM#Steinmeier: After tough negotiations w/ #Iran, we have agreed on framework for final agreement. Important step forward! #IranTalks

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marcus · April 2, 2015

Sure...make a bad deal. Israel ain't making any such deal...can always bomb Iran later.

Israel will never bomb Iran without U.S.' permission. Israel is only into bombing defenseless people such as in Gaza.

From U.S. senior government official:

“The good thing about Netanyahu is that he’s scared to launch wars,” the official said, expanding the definition of what a chickenshit Israeli prime minister looks like. “The bad thing about him is that he won’t do anything to reach an accommodation with the Palestinians or with the Sunni Arab states. The only thing he’s interested in is protecting himself from political defeat. He’s not Rabin, he’s not Sharon, he’s certainly no (Menachem) Begin. He’s got no guts.”

I ran this notion by another senior official who deals with the Israel file regularly. This official agreed that Netanyahu is a “chickenshit” on matters related to the comatose peace process, but added that he’s also a “coward” on the issue of Iran’s nuclear threat. The official said that Obama administration no longer believes that Netanyahu would launch a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities in order to keep the regime in Tehran from building an atomic arsenal. “It’s too late for him to do anything. Two, three years ago, this was a possibility. But ultimately he couldn’t bring himself to pull the trigger. It was a combination of our pressure and his own unwillingness to do anything dramatic. Now it’s too late.”

Shady · April 2, 2015

Sorry Shady. You need to look up the sanctions imposed to get a better understanding.

The major UN sanctions were started by and passed under Bush who did not want to negotiate any deals with Iran, even though Iran reached out. The approach that you keep screaming for.

Obama did accept sanctions BUT the big difference here is that Obama reached out to Iran and said that he is open to making a deal. That's the big difference.

Sorry, but you're just completely wrong.

The Obama administration is scrambling to assemble a package of harsher economic sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program that could include a cutoff of investments to the country’s oil-and-gas industry and restrictions on many more Iranian banks than those currently blacklisted, senior administration officials said Sunday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/world/middleeast/28iran.html

bush_cheney2004 · April 2, 2015

Israel will never bomb Iran without U.S.' permission. Israel is only into bombing defenseless people such as in Gaza.

Patently false, as Israel bombed nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria years ago. Gaza gets bombed just for being stupid.

Big Guy · April 2, 2015

BREAKTHROUGH?

American perspective;

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/world/iran-nuclear-talks/index.html

Jazeera perspective;

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/iran-nuclear-talks-150402172642660.html

Edited April 2, 2015 by Big Guy

marcus · April 2, 2015

Patently false, as Israel bombed nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria years ago. Gaza gets bombed just for being stupid.

Not without U.S. permission, they would not bomb Iran. This is why Bibi has been throwing a fit. Obama has said that they would not support an attack on Iran.

Israel can only bomb Gaza because that's what cowards do. They attack the defenseless.

bush_cheney2004 · April 2, 2015

Not without U.S. permission, they would not bomb Iran. This is why Bibi has been throwing a fit. Obama has said that they would not support an attack on Iran.

Israel can only bomb Gaza because that's what cowards do. They attack the defenseless.

The U.S. provided Israel the strike aircraft and bombs. None to "defenseless" Gaza. Go figure....

marcus · April 2, 2015

Obama just gave a speech to confirm that an agreement for the framework has been reached.

Now Bibi and the dirty politicians in congress and senate are planning their moves to derail this historic step from becoming a historic deal.

bush_cheney2004 · April 2, 2015

Obama just gave a speech to confirm that an agreement for the framework has been reached.

Now Bibi and the dirty politicians in congress and senate are planning their moves to derail this historic step from becoming a historic deal.

Good....Congress is doing its job.

marcus · April 2, 2015

Good....Congress is doing its job.

Something you never hear.

You'll need to put away the lube because your thirst for aggression and war will have to take a back seat to communication and diplomacy.

Another good news about one of the Zionists' biggest prostitutes (and donations recipients!), Bobby Menendez:

New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on corruption charges

bush_cheney2004 · April 2, 2015

Something you never hear.

You'll need to put away the lube because your thirst for aggression and war will have to take a back seat to communication and diplomacy.

Another good news about one of the Zionists' biggest prostitutes (and donations recipients!), Bobby Menendez:

New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on corruption charges

PM Netanyahu's election win was far better "lube".

Shady · April 2, 2015

Something you never hear.

You'll need to put away the lube because your thirst for aggression and war will have to take a back seat to communication and diplomacy.

Another good news about one of the Zionists' biggest prostitutes (and donations recipients!), Bobby Menendez:

New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on corruption charges

Yep, there's a reason the Obama administration targeted him. He's one of their biggest critics regarding Iran.

Hudson Jones · April 2, 2015

PM Netanyahu's election win was far better "lube".

I don't know about others, but I agree that electing Netanyahu is a good thing. The extremists in Israel will further isolate Israel. European companies are pulling out of business deals with Israel due to their violations of international law. Netanyahu's election is further proof that Israel and Israelis are not a partner for a peace deal. BDS movement will bring Israel to its knees.

Sorry BC2004, your lube is going to run dry soon.