Rue Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 Say now a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv against 11 innocent civilians and it took 2 days to start a thread on it. Interesting how that works, The attacker Hamaz Huhammad Hassan Matrouk attacked people in a bus then stabbed a woman in her back. He was apprehended after being shot in his legs by prison security guards nearby on an unrelated matter. Matrouk illegally entered Israel and claims to have acted on his own. Within hours of the attack, Hamas called his actions brave and heroic. Officials from the PA said the attack was Israel's fault as it wouldn't have happened if Israel was not occupying it. Someone should tell the PA the individual was from Gaza, and claimed he was angry over non Muslims getting access to Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem. In any event, another day, another attack and of course in this case why not blame it on Israel but call it heroic. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 Say now a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv against 11 innocent civilians and it took 2 days to start a thread on it. In any event, another day, another attack and of course in this case why not blame it on Israel but call it heroic. 1. Maybe indifference to acts of 'terror' will help to dissuade people from using terror ? 2. Nobody here blames Israel for such things - directly anyway - or calls these things heroic do they ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
guyser Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 The sun rising in the morning isnt any reason to post about. Quote
The_Squid Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 Say now a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv against 11 innocent civilians and it took 2 days to start a thread on it. Interesting how that works, What took you so long? Quote
Rue Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Posted January 24, 2015 I was waiting for you Squid to start the thread. Quote
Rue Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Michael Hardner, what does indifference mean? How would Israel ignoring terrorist attacks on it, stop those terrorist attacks? What if you ignore something poof it goes away. Israel has no moral responsibility to defend its people from terror attacks? Edited January 24, 2015 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Ok Guyser so I am waiting for you to give the same response on Hudson Jones' threads. Interestingly when he starts them, you don't say that. Lol. Right Quick as I started this one, he had yet another Israel is demon thread up. How about you go on that on that on and repeat the same negative comments about Israel as you usually do. That was and remains the point Guyser. There are a handful of you who will use the Rest of the World Thread as a forum to demonize Israel but when a terrorist attack happens against Israel, you suddenly don't think its important. Double standard, you bet. Edited January 24, 2015 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Posted January 24, 2015 Michael H, I just noticed, response 26, on the latest Israel is a criminal thread by Hudson Jones, Jacee claimed in response to this terror attack that maybe Israel demonizes itself. Since you asked who blames Israel, there you go. That was not the point of this thread, the double standard on only starting threads critical of Israel was. The point I made was the bias against Israel on this board is past the point of absurdity. The moment one mentions a terror attack on Israel, Israel is portrayed in a new thread as a criminal nation and you bet Michael since you brought it up, Israel is demonized and blamed for being attacked by terrorists-why, because it exists and won't top existing. Quote
Big Guy Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Starting to look like the Black Knight at Monty Pythons bridge. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jacee Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Michael H, I just noticed, response 26, on the latest Israel is a criminal thread by Hudson Jones, Jacee claimed in response to this terror attack that maybe Israel demonizes itself. Since you asked who blames Israel, there you go. That was not the point of this thread, the double standard on only starting threads critical of Israel was. The point I made was the bias against Israel on this board is past the point of absurdity. The moment one mentions a terror attack on Israel, Israel is portrayed in a new thread as a criminal nation and you bet Michael since you brought it up, Israel is demonized and blamed for being attacked by terrorists-why, because it exists and won't top existing. Because Israel bombs and won't stop bombing.Israel is making a demon of itself. . Edited January 25, 2015 by jacee Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Since you asked who blames Israel, there you go. I didn't ask "who blames Israel" without qualification. I don't doubt that people blame Israel for the conflicts there. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Israel is making a demon of itself. Jacee - to clarify as per Rue's point - if there's a terrorist attack on Israel, do you blame Israel for that ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Rue Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Posted January 25, 2015 Thank you Michael H for the response. I am debating you. Please understand its with total respect to your opinions. Your opinions mean something to me. Quote
jacee Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Jacee - to clarify as per Rue's point - if there's a terrorist attack on Israel, do you blame Israel for that ? I regret and abhor loss of innocent lives in either case. If there's a massive bombing of Gaza, do you blame Gaza? Rue does. Unfortunately, by twisting people's words, misrepresenting people's opinions and spewing lengthy diatribes, Rue has hardened opinions against Israel. Maybe that's his purpose here. . Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 I regret and abhor loss of innocent lives in either case. If there's a massive bombing of Gaza, do you blame Gaza? No, I don't. Thanks for your response. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
jacee Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Jacee - to clarify as per Rue's point - if there's a terrorist attack on Israel, do you blame Israel for that ? I regret and abhor loss of innocent lives in either case. If there's a massive bombing of Gaza, do you blame Gaza? Rue does. Unfortunately, by twisting people's words, misrepresenting people's opinions and spewing lengthy diatribes, Rue has hardened opinions against Israel. Maybe that's his purpose here. eta Israel had many years with public opinion in North America on her side, to make genuine efforts for peace. Israel thumbed its nose, took aggressive expansionist actions and failed to achieve peace for its people under the best circumstances. Now Israel's aggression is deadly and disproportionate, and Israel is loosing public support, demonizing itself, yes. And here on this board, Rue contributes to the alienation of affection for Israel. . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 eta Israel had many years with public opinion in North America on her side, to make genuine efforts for peace. Israel thumbed its nose, took aggressive expansionist actions and failed to achieve peace for its people under the best circumstances. Now Israel's aggression is deadly and disproportionate, and Israel is loosing public support, demonizing itself, yes. What does this mean ? "North America" means what ? Do polls support such a contention for all nations in "North America " ? Has Israel lost foreign aid and trade agreements from "North America" ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Jacee at no time have I come on this board and blamed Palestinians in Gaza for a thing, in fact just the exact opposite describing them as captive of Hamas and pointing out its unfair to blame them for Hamas anymore than it is fair to blame Israelis for the policies of their government when discussing issues. So your representation of what I said is false. Please produce the post where I blamed Palestinians or Gaza for being attacked or apologize and retract that statement because I never stated such a thing, As for the rest of your comments they were a personal attack against me and have nothing to do with the thread nor did they respond to the question you were supposed to be answering. This is about the third time you have responded with personal attacks in the last week and your accusing me of being an anti Israel plant is silly. You know better. Take a look at Eye's response after yours and please understand the baiting and the personal attacks by you 2 simply degrade you 2. Edited January 25, 2015 by Rue Quote
eyeball Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 You know better. Take a look at Eye's response after yours and please understand the baiting and the personal attacks by you 2 simply degrade you 2. Michael chided me for the way I posted that response so I'll repost it and then Jacee will knows what the heck is going on. I trust I've re-posted it in a manner that is in accordance with the strict interpretation I failed to cleave to. As for it being a personal attack...I suggest we defer to Michael to pass judgement on what constitutes personal attacks from now on. I think at worst this could be construed as my miscomprehension of what you mean and as near as I can tell we're all on our own when it comes to moderating that. Anyways here goes... Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 Jacee at no time have I come on this board and blamed Palestinians in Gaza for a thing,... So what you seem to be suggesting is... Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Rue Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Of course Eye. I do not doubt you are unable to conceive without using such simplistic parameters. Lol. Edited January 26, 2015 by Rue Quote
Charles Anthony Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 Folks, I am locking the thread temporarily so that you all can cool off. There are too many personal attacks being posted obfuscating the topic. What a pity. I will re-open the thread in about a day. Ch. A. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jbg Posted February 1, 2015 Report Posted February 1, 2015 I regret and abhor loss of innocent lives in either case. If there's a massive bombing of Gaza, do you blame Gaza? Rue does. If the Gazans freely elected Hamas of course I do. As Obama once said "elections have consequences." If the Gazan people chose a path of unremitting war by electing Hamas they share the blame. Keep in mind that Israel evacuated Gaza in 2005. It occupies no Gazan territory. There are no settlers in Gaza. The Gazans pulverized the greenhouses Israeli settlers left behind in 2005, within hours of Israel's withdrawal. Having chosen the path of war and death, it is their responsibility. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted February 1, 2015 Report Posted February 1, 2015 It occupies no Gazan territory. Nope. It is still considered an occupation and Israel continues to violate international law with its actions. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jbg Posted February 2, 2015 Report Posted February 2, 2015 Nope. It is still considered an occupation and Israel continues to violate international law with its actions.How is that possible without a single Jewish person in Gaza? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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