On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 The term I use is 'respect'. I choose to have some, and show it. For soldiers I have respect. For having a government spending my money to feed me bullshit about a war, I have disdain. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Posted November 12, 2014 I have never seen those who have seen action to "glorify" or applaud war. As to controversies about battle, they will always exist. My experience have been that those who have seen action, as noted earlier, feel they fought to give future generations the choice. White poppies, paper poppies, poppies worn on your hat, poppies worn in your hair or whatever... It seems that it is the armchair warriors with an agenda who seem to get overly excited about how others react to Remembrance Day. If you have the option and can exercise your views without being thrown in jail then the vets are satisfied. Members of the military are not a homogeneous group who march in lock step with government policy. There are many different opinions in the Canadian military as there are outside the military. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 I have never seen those who have seen action to "glorify" or applaud war. As to controversies about battle, they will always exist. My experience have been that those who have seen action, as noted earlier, feel they fought to give future generations the choice. White poppies, paper poppies, poppies worn on your hat, poppies worn in your hair or whatever... It seems that it is the armchair warriors with an agenda who seem to get overly excited about how others react to Remembrance Day. If you have the option and can exercise your views without being thrown in jail then the vets are satisfied. Members of the military are not a homogeneous group who march in lock step with government policy. There are many different opinions in the Canadian military as there are outside the military. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here but I will correct you on one thing, the military does march in lockstep with gov policy or they are kicked out of the military. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 I can't believe that even this thread has disintegrated to a left vs right issue. Yes, the disrespect and politics started on post #2 with this; "Make a donation if you like, leave the poppy." Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Yes, the disrespect and politics started on post #2 with this; "Make a donation if you like, leave the poppy." Wrong again. You have misinterpreted the questioning of the regalia with disrespect. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Wrong again. You have misinterpreted the questioning of the regalia with disrespect. Ok, my bad! So, what did you mean by that comment? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Ok, my bad! So, what did you mean by that comment? I think I've pretty much explained it. Put simply though, I respect the people, I question parts of the ceremony. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 I think I've pretty much explained it. Put simply though, I respect the people, I question parts of the ceremony. What parts? And why bother questioning the ceremony anyway? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 What parts? And why bother questioning the ceremony anyway? As I said, I've already been through this. I don't agree with the glorification of war aspect. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 As I said, I've already been through this. I don't agree with the glorification of war aspect. To me, it sorta seems like a somber event more than a "glorification of war". Could you be more specific in what glorification you saw. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 To me, it sorta seems like a somber event more than a "glorification of war". Could you be more specific in what glorification you saw. Guns being fired, warplanes flying overhead. I've already explained all this. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Guns being fired, warplanes flying overhead. I've already explained all this. Ok, I've seen this; "Maybe instead of Remembrance Day we should have Contemplative Day were we show that respect, and at the same time try to figure out how not to be so stupid again." You say, stupid again, In what way were Canadians stupid in war? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Ok, I've seen this; "Maybe instead of Remembrance Day we should have Contemplative Day were we show that respect, and at the same time try to figure out how not to be so stupid again." You say, stupid again, In what way were Canadians stupid in war? The same way everybody else was stupid. War is stupid is my point. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 The same way everybody else was stupid. War is stupid is my point. But, surely you'd agree that we had no choice but to enter WW1, WW2 and Korea...right? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 But, surely you'd agree that we had no choice but to enter WW1, WW2 and Korea...right? I do not agree at all. Here's a question: what do you think the world would look like had the Nazi's taken what they were after in Europe? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 I do not agree at all. Here's a question: what do you think the world would look like had the Nazi's taken what they were after in Europe? That's like trying to prove a negative, you'll never agree with any answer I give. You, obviously feel that the world, Europe and Canada would be a better place - Is that what you're suggesting? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Hal 9000, on 11 Nov 2014 - 8:51 PM, said: That's like trying to prove a negative, you'll never agree with any answer I give. You, obviously feel that the world, Europe and Canada would be a better place - Is that what you're suggesting? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Sorry, but even the Nazis would still have had a remembrance day. Haters can't escape it..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Canada and the rest of the world would be no different if the Nazis had of just been left alone. Some borders in Europe may have been moved a bit and some more people might be German speaking. If you study the population of Nazi Germany and their wherewithal at the time you will see they couldn't have accomplished a whole lot. A lot of people wouldn't have had to die though. Quote
Bonam Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Canada and the rest of the world would be no different if the Nazis had of just been left alone. Some borders in Europe may have been moved a bit and some more people might be German speaking. If you study the population of Nazi Germany and their wherewithal at the time you will see they couldn't have accomplished a whole lot. A lot of people wouldn't have had to die though. And the Jewish people would have been extinct. No biggie for you, apparently. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 And the Jewish people would have been extinct. No biggie for you, apparently. Oh and you think the west going to war stopped the burning of Jews? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 OMG...."leave those Nazis alone !".....on Remembrance Day. Unbelievable ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Oh and you think the west going to war stopped the burning of Jews? The Nazi's expansion being limited to the extent that it was stopped Jews from outside the Nazi-controlled area from being subjected to their campaign of extermination. If the Nazis had been "left alone", their borders would have expanded far larger, at least temporarily, and their campaign to rid the world of Jews would have had access to a far larger proportion of the world's Jewish population. Certainly if Russia had not fought back against Germany and had simply been overrun, then Russian Jews (at that time over half of the world's remaining Jews) would have all also perished. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 What, no dig on Canada? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) The Nazi's expansion being limited to the extent that it was stopped Jews from outside the Nazi-controlled area from being subjected to their campaign of extermination. If the Nazis had been "left alone", their borders would have expanded far larger, at least temporarily, and their campaign to rid the world of Jews would have had access to a far larger proportion of the world's Jewish population. Certainly if Russia had not fought back against Germany and had simply been overrun, then Russian Jews (at that time over half of the world's remaining Jews) would have all also perished. Once again, they may have had the inclination, but they didn't have the population or the wherewithal to achieve anything like that. Nazism would have died a natural death without all the shoot 'em up. Edited November 12, 2014 by On Guard for Thee Quote
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