Big Guy Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 PEI suspended Senator Mike Duffy has been formally charged by the RCMP with various criminal charges pertaining to his participation in the federal government. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/suspended-senator-mike-duffy-faces-31-charges-1.1917694 How will this play during the coming federal election? Will PM Harper be forced to testify? Will Nigel Wright be forced to testify? Why was Nigel not charged? Is this the last straw that will break the back of the majority Harper government? Looks like a very unpleasant fall and winter for the federal Conservatives. I do not think the opposition will let up on this one. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
waldo Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 Why was Nigel not charged? per the RCMP charges, it is apparently a crime for Duffy to receive the $90K 'bribe'... but not for Wright to offer/provide it - go figure. It will all come out in due course when all of the players are under oath and the email chain can be seen in its entirety. Quote
waldo Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 It has to do with intent. which is laughable in that Harper Conservatives have attempted to show a history of "altruistic financial related" decisions and actions by Wright... those that would fit with the claimed "gifting... of his good friend Duffy". Why... did you know that, apparently as I read, Wright never charged the government for 6 months of his work. Now that, that... is altruism to the nth degree! It appears to have met the RCMP measuring bar! Quote
Smallc Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 He never intended to buy influence, he was simply trying to make a problem (one not of his creation) go away. Quote
waldo Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 if you are incorrect in your repeat of Harper Conservative claims... if the criminal trial shows otherwise, I would expect prosecutors to do what is required in following up on the current absence of a criminal charge against Wright. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Posted July 18, 2014 Democracy group wants to lay private charges against Wright; http://o.canada.com/news/democracy-group-wants-to-lay-private-charges-against-wright Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
The_Squid Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 If Crown thought that charges would not be successful against Wright, then they wouldn't bother with laying them. Happens all the time. Or could it be that Wright has made a deal....? Quote
Topaz Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 Talk about "intent"...IF it was okay for the PARTY to pay out $30,000 and its wasn't a bribe, then why is it a bribe, when the money comes from a different source, which Wright said he had to talk to the PM first ..then came back and said everything was a "go". I'm glad its going to court and if it goes past the election and some of the Tories who where involved don't make it back as MP's, they can be force into court. It's a good reason to vote out Harper, just to hear what he would say in court...".I didn't know" won't do. I hope Duffy doesn't bargain and goes to the end of the case and drags all concerned into court. I don't know if Duffy is guilty or not, but the only way to get the truth from the Tories is in a court. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 Harper might actually have to "perfectly clear" about something for once if he finds himself under oath. Although I suppose his "parliamentary priveledge" will preclude that unless of course that priveledge is taken from him before the trial ends. Quote
Topaz Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 On "Power and Politics" someone said that they reason Wright wasn't charged with anything, was the RCMP and the Crown want him to testify at Duffy's trial and if they had charged HIM with bribery, he couldn't be called to Duffy's trial. So I just that explains why he wasn't charged, at least, for now, he can be charged and others later. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Duffy is a scapegoat here. If no others are charged under this investigation, then he was singled out. Does not make what he did right, but if other heads are not rolling, there is no point in charging Duffy. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 I think it's plainly obvious how the Harper government is viewed through the Liberal Leftist lens of the media. The CBC and the usual suspects here on this forum salivate at the thought of tying the Duffy $90K cheque to Harper - a payment that had two objectives.....to make a problem go away and to rightly reimburse taxpayers. But here in Ontario, there is no equal salivation at tying Dalton McGuinty directly to the known corruption of wasting over a billion taxpayer dollars to save Liberal seats - and delete information afterwards. Where's the outrage in tying McGuinty to the deaths of as many of a dozen people through Ornge incompetence - let alone the legal architect of the Orgne shell companies - Alfred Apps - former President of the Liberal Party of Canada. Where are the fire and pitchforks for McGuinty - as they are for Duffy, Wright and Harper. Why hasn't he been personally in the news - day after day, month after month.....billions of our dollars. That's only part of the double standard that drives people bananas.But hey - that's Canada for you......or perhaps "that's Ontario for you". Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 I think it's plainly obvious how the Harper government is viewed through the Liberal Leftist lens of the media. The CBC and the usual suspects here on this forum salivate at the thought of tying the Duffy $90K cheque to Harper - a payment that had two objectives.....to make a problem go away and to rightly reimburse taxpayers. But here in Ontario, there is no equal salivation at tying Dalton McGuinty directly to the known corruption of wasting over a billion taxpayer dollars to save Liberal seats - and delete information afterwards. Where's the outrage in tying McGuinty to the deaths of as many of a dozen people through Ornge incompetence - let alone the legal architect of the Orgne shell companies - Alfred Apps - former President of the Liberal Party of Canada. Where are the fire and pitchforks for McGuinty - as they are for Duffy, Wright and Harper. Why hasn't he been personally in the news - day after day, month after month.....billions of our dollars. That's only part of the double standard that drives people bananas. But hey - that's Canada for you......or perhaps "that's Ontario for you". Don't worry, if you do a little back checking you'll find Harper has a trail of scandals that would challenge McGuinty's and others. And also keep in mind, it is the RCMP who are bringing to light the latest one, which will very likely go all the way to the PMO, not the CBC. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 19, 2014 Author Report Posted July 19, 2014 When did the standard for acceptable behaviour for a government become anything that is not a criminal act? There are such a things as morality, ethics, accountability, transparency and truthfulness. When did any behaviour other than criminal behaviour become acceptable for people who are supposed to be representing us? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) When did the standard for acceptable behaviour for a government become anything that is not a criminal act? There are such a things as morality, ethics, accountability, transparency and truthfulness. When did any behaviour other than criminal behaviour become acceptable for people who are supposed to be representing us? Why is Rob Ford popular? The masses are kind of dumb in my view. I don't want average people running the country. I want smart, adept, intelligent, and skilled leaders. For example, the minister of finance, should be A LOT better at finances and making proper economic policies than me. I would like a chief of police to be free of corruption. I would like politics to be free of corruption. Two sets of rules, one for us, and another for those who make the rules for us. Edited July 19, 2014 by GostHacked Quote
Big Guy Posted July 19, 2014 Author Report Posted July 19, 2014 Why is Rob Ford popular? The masses are kind of dumb in my view. I don't want average people running the country. I want smart, adept, intelligent, and skilled leaders. For example, the minister of finance, should be A LOT better at finances and making proper economic policies than me. I would like a chief of police to be free of corruption. I would like politics to be free of corruption. Two sets of rules, one for us, and another for those who make the rules for us. Being careful not to deviate too far in this thread, I think the Rob Ford phenomena is different. I believe a small number of his supporters do agree with some of his policies, believe him and are prepared to overlook his shortcomings. Most of the supporters are anti-government people. They like the in-your-face aggressive approach and the more chaos at city hall then the happier they are. I think Ford gets most of the none-of-the-above vote. These other reps in Ottawa and Queens Park I believe begin as dedicated individuals who get corrupted with the power and process. They lose what got them to run in the first place and soon seem to be ready to do anything to keep the job. I can remember when any "scandal" of a sexual nature or any "questionable" expenditure would get you a ticket home.\ The fact that you can stay out of jail should not be the standard for public service. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Topaz Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 I think its time for more voters to start changing their views on parties and politicians For me, I don't care which party it is, if its corrupt or appears to be, I'm not voting for that party. The country is more important to me, than supporting any party and I think the rules for all people in politics should be very harsh on people who are corrupt and I don't care if its the PM, himself. If we, the votes, don't expect higher standards from our politicians then we deserve to get what we get from them. I really like to see one major change in the House of Commons. When the seating government is asked a question, they can't lie or stretch the truth and if they don't know the answer then say I don't know. Also also like to see the senate change to ALL independent reps no party connections at all. Quote
danchessplayer Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 It is not acceptable for a senator to commit this bad act. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 This is the worst Canadian government in living memory. They've deliberately divided Canadians against each other, politicized non-partisan government positions, spent public funds inappropriately for partisan purposes, extended the surveillance state, enriched the already wealthy, abandoned the poor, damaged our international reputation and undermined our democracy in a dozen different ways. It's a sad testament to public apathy and ignorance that people only get upset when they bring a petty fraud artist into the red chamber. The amount of money involved is a pittance and the damage done insignificant. Still, if that's what it takes to remove these odious people from office, I'll take it. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 I've been upset ever since this crowd got re-elected after having been found in contempt of parliament. I suspect Harper may have that again with the senate scandal. We'll see now that the courts now have the file. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) I've been upset ever since this crowd got re-elected after having been found in contempt of parliament. I suspect Harper may have that again with the senate scandal. We'll see now that the courts now have the file. I know exactly how you feel with the perplexing re-election of the corrupt Liberals here in Ontario. Upset would be a huge understatement. I'm not saying that to be clever - just to point out the various partisan or polarized views. Edited July 20, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 So the ONT government just spent 500,000 dollars on designing a new LCBO sign and how much more when then do the changes and people are still worried about 90g's.Liberals can't oi no wrong. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
The_Squid Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) So the ONT government just spent 500,000 dollars on designing a new LCBO sign and how much more when then do the changes and people are still worried about 90g's.Liberals can't oi no wrong. And when your $5000 car gets stolen I'm sure you will use the same reasons to excuse the thief? Government misspending does not excuse a $90k bribe and blatant fraud by a senator. Edited July 24, 2014 by The_Squid Quote
PIK Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 And when your $5000 car gets stolen I'm sure you will use the same reasons to excuse the thief? Government misspending does not excuse a $90k bribe and blatant fraud by a senator. LOL How can it be a bribe ? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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