Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 People get killed in wars. If you dont want that to happen, dont start a war, especially an illegal one. But if you do, dont whine if someone gets killed. Yes, and when you capture an enemy, don't set him free. Khadr should've been executed. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Yes, and when you capture an enemy, don't set him free. Khadr should've been executed. 13 years in prison 10 of them in a phony one in Cuba, being tortured for 4 years before a American military kangaroo court could come up with a law to even charge a child soldier with. The only thing sicker would be to have executed him. Edited May 10, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 13 years in prison 10 of them in a phony one in Cuba, being tortured for 4 years before a American military kangaroo court could come up with a law to even charge a child soldier with. The only thing sicker would be to have executed him. But, i think we all agree that he killed a solider and considered himself an enemy of the US. If he's not a terrorist and not a murderer as Cybercoma pointed out, then he's a solider - an enemy solider. and, therefore should be treated as such. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 But, i think we all agree that he killed a solider and considered himself an enemy of the US. If he's not a terrorist and not a murderer as Cybercoma pointed out, then he's a solider - an enemy solider. and, therefore should be treated as such. First of all we dont all agree, he may have, but there is on site testimony from other US personnel which sheds doubt on what he actually did. And what would you consider yourself in relation to an invading force coming into your housing compound and starting a firefight if not an enemy. And once again, if hes a soldier then he was only doing his job. Soldiers kill each other in case you havent somehow heard of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 First of all we dont all agree, he may have, but there is on site testimony from other US personnel which sheds doubt on what he actually did. And what would you consider yourself in relation to an invading force coming into your housing compound and starting a firefight if not an enemy. And once again, if hes a soldier then he was only doing his job. Soldiers kill each other in case you havent somehow heard of it. It sounds like your leaning towards Khadr simply being a victim and responding in self defence. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 It sounds like your leaning towards Khadr simply being a victim and responding in self defence. And do you know otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Look, we've already gone over this whole "americans are the worst people in the world" routine ... the US, Canadian and Brits are all the real terrorists - I still prefer to side with the west. . You obviously don't get it, Hal. The Americans are not the worst people in the world. American governments since WWII have invaded the poor countries of the world for one reason, to ensure that USA business interests can steal the wealth of the country. That makes them war criminals and terrorists, as it does to those who support them. Remember, you're either with us or with the terrorists/war criminals. Yes, the USA is the largest and the longest running terrorist group on the planet. The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan Lt. General William Odom noted: Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of todays war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world. Odom also said: By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In 78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation. You prefer to side with the west, okay, you side with the terrorists, the war criminals; by the USA's own definition, not to mention the historical record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I think keepitsimple has a valid piont, has anyone heard of any atonement....about anything..... http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2015/05/07/omar-khadr-speaks-freedom-is-way-better-than-i-thought.html Q: Omar, what do you want Canadians to know about you? Whats most important? A: Just to give me a chance, who I am as a person, not as a name. They can make their own judgement after that. Q: Who are you as a person? A: Im still learning about myself, Im still growing. I believe in learning, I didnt have a lot of experience in life, and Im excited to start my life. ... Q: Omar, what do you want the American people to know about you? A: I can say that Im sorry for the pain I might have caused the families of the victims, and theres nothing I can do about the past but I hope that, the future can I can do something about the future. ... Q: Can you categorically say that you denounce violence [indistinguishable] Omar? A: Yes, yes I can. Q: Not one thing? A: Its not something I believe in right now. I want to start, fresh start. Theres too many good things in life that I want to experience. Q: Do you have any career aspirations? Looking down the road, is there anything that you really? A: Something in the healthcare. I believe that you have to be able to empathize with people in pain and I know how that Ive experienced pain so I think I can empathize with people who are going through that. And I think I hope I can do something in the healthcare. Q: Omar, so many Canadians know about your father. What do you think about your father now after what happened to you? A: Theres a lot of questions that Id like to ask my father. I cant change the past, all I can do is just work on the present and future. Q: What do you want to ask him? What would you ask him? A: Uh, everything? A lot of decisions that he made, reason he took us back there, just a whole bunch of questions about his reasoning behind and his life decisions. Q: And these are not life decisions you want to make going forward? A: No. Q: What would you say to someone who is contemplating extremism and looking to you as a young person? A: What I would tell everybody is to educate yourself. Dont let emotions control you. Education is very important, Ive noticed that a lot of people are manipulated by not being educated, so education is very important. Edited to add: This is interesting too: omar_khadr_innocent_in_death_of_us_soldier My sense is that Omar Khadr doesn't remember throwing a grenade, doesn't know himself whether he killed anybody. And a US soldier reported that he stood on top of the pile of rubble before the grenade was thrown, and they later found Khadr under the rubble. . Edited May 10, 2015 by jacee Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2015/05/07/omar-khadr-speaks-freedom-is-way-better-than-i-thought.html Q: Omar, what do you want Canadians to know about you? Whats most important? A: Just to give me a chance, who I am as a person, not as a name. They can make their own judgement after that. Q: Who are you as a person? A: Im still learning about myself, Im still growing. I believe in learning, I didnt have a lot of experience in life, and Im excited to start my life. ... Q: Omar, what do you want the American people to know about you? A: I can say that Im sorry for the pain I might have caused the families of the victims, and theres nothing I can do about the past but I hope that, the future can I can do something about the future. ... Q: Can you categorically say that you denounce violence [indistinguishable] Omar? A: Yes, yes I can. Q: Not one thing? A: Its not something I believe in right now. I want to start, fresh start. Theres too many good things in life that I want to experience. Q: Do you have any career aspirations? Looking down the road, is there anything that you really? A: Something in the healthcare. I believe that you have to be able to empathize with people in pain and I know how that Ive experienced pain so I think I can empathize with people who are going through that. And I think I hope I can do something in the healthcare. Q: Omar, so many Canadians know about your father. What do you think about your father now after what happened to you? A: Theres a lot of questions that Id like to ask my father. I cant change the past, all I can do is just work on the present and future. Q: What do you want to ask him? What would you ask him? A: Uh, everything? A lot of decisions that he made, reason he took us back there, just a whole bunch of questions about his reasoning behind and his life decisions. Q: And these are not life decisions you want to make going forward? A: No. Q: What would you say to someone who is contemplating extremism and looking to you as a young person? A: What I would tell everybody is to educate yourself. Dont let emotions control you. Education is very important, Ive noticed that a lot of people are manipulated by not being educated, so education is very important. Good on ya for making the effort. Lets see if it actually has any impact. I suspect certain minds are long since made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Read the facts for yourself at, https://freeomarakhadr.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/2015-factsheet-omar-khadr.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Q: What would you say to someone who is contemplating extremism and looking to you as a young person? A: What I would tell everybody is to educate yourself. Dont let emotions control you. Education is very important, Ive noticed that a lot of people are manipulated by not being educated, so education is very important. -------------------- Evidently, Omar is a whole lot more intelligent than many "educated" Canadians. Good work, Jacee. I wonder what these educated Canadians have against the truth, facts, honesty, compassion, ... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Thanks. See edit/add above. Edited May 10, 2015 by jacee Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 But, i think we all agree that he killed a solider and considered himself an enemy of the US. If he's not a terrorist and not a murderer as Cybercoma pointed out, then he's a solider - an enemy solider. and, therefore should be treated as such. Treating him like a soldier would have been the correct thing to do alright...a child-soldier that is. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Hal 9000, on 09 May 2015 - 10:51 PM, said: But, i think we all agree that he killed a solider That's still unclear, but he's serving his sentence.and considered himself an enemy of the US.It was what his Dad told him and trained him to do ... as a child.If he's not a terrorist and not a murderer as Cybercoma pointed out, then he's a solider - an enemy solider. and, therefore should be treated as such. Treating him like a soldier would have been the correct thing to do alright...a child-soldier that is.Yup. Edited May 10, 2015 by jacee Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Read the facts for yourself at, https://freeomarakhadr.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/2015-factsheet-omar-khadr.pdf OMARS WELL-BEING Omar is going blind from lack of treatment in Canadian detention. The U.S. attack in 2002 had left Omar blind in in his left eye and with shrapnel lodged in his right eye. He was not provided treatment while in U.S. detention to save his sight. Now the vision in his right eye is rapidly deteriorating and without treatment, permanent blindness is inevitable. With support from a team of dedicated professors from Kings University College in Edmonton, Omar was working towards completion of his high school diploma. Due to his eye-condition he is no longer able to read and his studies have been put on hold. In spite of this major setback, his teachers speak highly of his positive disposition and academic abilities. And this reminder ... Omar Khadr is the only person found guilty in the death of one of 7,000+ U.S. casualties in the recent Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Edited May 10, 2015 by jacee Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Yes, and when you capture an enemy, don't set him free. Khadr should've been executed. Just like all those German soldiers we executed after wwii.... oh wait.... we set them free.... Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 I watched the whole video and read the transcript and my earlier comments were off base. He indeed made an apology of sorts. We can only hope that it turns out to be genuine because there's no doubt, the guy was dealt a bad hand with his family. Having said all that - his sentence and the subsequent bail issue is not really about Khadr - it's about society's repugnance with the global scourge of terrorism and it's ability to erode the very soul of humanity. One can make all the apologies and excuses for why things are the way they are - but the fact remains that terrorism is a heinous crime in its indiscriminate violence against innocents - and those who perpetrate or enable such crimes should feel the full weight - and full sentence of the law. Quote Back to Basics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 "(violence) is not something I believe in right now". Riiiiiiiiight. Tomorrow, however......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 When that dude pulls off a terrorist attack...and he will, maybe the lefties will wise up and stop coddling these terrorists. No. They will blame Harper. Or the judge, you know, for giving him the freedom to do it. ANYBODY but the person doing the deed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 He apparently had some bad influences which occurred over what is now over half of his life span ago. The people who are actually qualified to make such determinations conclude he was a model prisoner unlikely to pose a threat. And then there is this old concept that you should maybe consider, that when you invade a country and start shooting people, dont get all GD sucky if one of yours gets it. Really? A "rock star" in Gitmo with the other extremists makes him a "model prisoner"? You know, because if he opposed violent jihad, that would go against the grain. Hardly model at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) It seems there are some dummies around who are commenting on his first appearance in public who either didnt listen, or just choose to ignore the fact he did say he was sorry for the suffering he had caused. What a lot also seem to overlook is he is still fighting an appeal so he must be careful of what he says. Of course his lawyer will have briefed him on that. You know, kind of like how all of Harpers cabinet ministers hide from the storm brewing over the senate scandal by saying its before the courts so cant comment. Th fact is that this country is governed by the rule of law, and whether you like it or not, it stands. So the mods allow you to call people "dummies" without any kind of comment. Obviously they share your leftist views. Hardly surprising to anyone who has spent even one day on these forums. Or about the thread drift (you know, slagging the Cons about the "senate scandal" on this thread) The mods on this site are a joke. Edited May 10, 2015 by drummindiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 To KeepItSimple - I do not share your views but respect your honesty in admitting that you had not read a reference. The fact that you are able to admit to a minor mistake adds credibility to your posts. You have my respect. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) But, i think we all agree that he killed a solider and considered himself an enemy of the US. If he's not a terrorist and not a murderer as Cybercoma pointed out, then he's a solider - an enemy solider. and, therefore should be treated as such. No, we don't all agree with the designations, which the consummate liars of the USA used to invade and destroy two nations, have placed on Omar. Why would a thinking person put any trust in a nation that has done nothing but lie lie lie about what it actually is? Just the USA terrorism against Nicaragua should be enough. The USA, the only state that has ever been convicted of being a terrorist nation by the ICJ. Again, the invasion of Afghanistan was in itself a war crime. The USA has no standing, save for the ability to use its overwhelming brute force, to be trying anyone. It's like the Nazis trying Nelson Mandela. And remember, it was the USA that was supporting South Africa in its apartheid, in its treatment of Mandela. The USA has never been on the side of right. Edited May 10, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 So the mods allow you to call people "dummies" without any kind of comment. What appellation would you suggest for those whose reading comprehension is not up to snuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Folks, If you have a problem with a fellow member's posts or if you believe a fellow member is violating the forum rules, you are expected to report it, to ignore it and to refrain from responding in kind. If you can not handle those simple freedoms, then you are expected to go find some place else on the internet to pass your time. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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