ISIS Declares Islamic State.

[monty16]

RT is pretty goofy. Look at what they say and where they come from. Sort of like getting your newa from the "house of Saud" or some such.

You've already said that so please stop spamming the thread. Thanks.

[Argus]

RT is pretty goofy. Look at what they say and where they come from. Sort of like getting your newa from the "house of Saud" or some such.

Yeah, only idiots would take what a dictator's propaganda unit tells them as being truthful.

[monty16]

Yeah, only idiots would take what a dictator's propaganda unit tells them as being truthful.

Reported as a personal attack because the 'idiot' reference is clearly aimed at me. Please stay on topic and attack the message, not me.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yeah, only idiots would take what a dictator's propaganda unit tells them as being truthful.

Personally I've always hated the taste of "pablum". Literally and figuratively.

[Argus]

Reported as a personal attack because the 'idiot' reference is clearly aimed at me. Please stay on topic and attack the message, not me.

I was making a statement about dictators propaganda organs, which is entirely within the bounds of the rules.

If you actually had any interest in honest dicussion you would post credible cites. Since you've been told repeatedly RT is not such a cite, one can only conclude your interest is not so much in discussion as in spewing hate.

[monty16]

http://rt.com/news/169256-isis-create-islamic-state/

Scary proposition to think about.

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Are more US bombs on the civilian population going to stop it.

Or is this calling for a totally new approach to the problem. Get all Western forces out of the ME and stop the meddling in their affairs. Bring the situation back to the peaceful situation on the Arabian peninsula before the meddling.

Is ISIS bent on the destruction of all that isn't Muslim or is that just an invented justification for US led meddling for oil? Has it gone too far now and what was a phony justification now become a allout Jihadist effort to destroy the West and everything that isn't Islam?

We may have reached a point of no return.

[Big Guy]

Bill Clinton declared, "I never had sex with that woman!"

O.J. Simpson declared, "I did not kill those people!"

The leader of Iran declared that, "America is the devil!"

I declare American bashing to be illegal on this board.

Anybody can declare anything that they want. It don't mean much.

[Shady]

http://rt.com/news/169256-isis-create-islamic-state/

Scary proposition to think about.

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Are more US bombs on the civilian population going to stop it.

Or is this calling for a totally new approach to the problem. Get all Western forces out of the ME and stop the meddling in their affairs. Bring the situation back to the peaceful situation on the Arabian peninsula before the meddling.

Is ISIS bent on the destruction of all that isn't Muslim or is that just an invented justification for US led meddling for oil? Has it gone too far now and what was a phony justification now become a allout Jihadist effort to destroy the West and everything that isn't Islam?

We may have reached a point of no return.

They're also bent on the destruction of Muslims as well. At least, not appropriate Muslims in their eyes. They've already killed thousands of them. They haven't killed one American yet though. So if it's the American's they're mad at, they've got a weird way of showing it! Kill Muslims, kill Muslims!

[bush_cheney2004]

....Are more US bombs on the civilian population going to stop it.

No...I think that only the "good bombs" from Canada and the UN can stop it. These bombs are the same as those used by the U.S. (they are purchased from the same U.S. contractors), but they are blessed with "human rights" and "responsibility to protect" holy water...Christian of course.

[monty16]

They're also bent on the destruction of Muslims as well. At least, not appropriate Muslims in their eyes. They've already killed thousands of them. They haven't killed one American yet though. So if it's the American's they're mad at, they've got a weird way of showing it! Kill Muslims, kill Muslims!

You've sort of evaded answering the question but in any case I think your opinion is important. You're saying that they're not hell bent of destroying anything that isn't Muslim or Islam. You're saying that at least so far they don't regard us as infidels that need to be erased. Right?

That sort of answers the question anyway, even if you didn't mean to do that. You're in fact saying that the West needs to clear out and the trouble will die down again to what it used to be before US meddling. Right?

Of course, you recognize the other extreme that would be something akin to the bombing of Cambodia. Allout force.

Am I right is thinking that you've chosen against that?

[monty16]

No...I think that only the "good bombs" from Canada and the UN can stop it. These bombs are the same as those used by the U.S. (they are purchased from the same U.S. contractors), but they are blessed with "human rights" and "responsibility to protect" holy water...Christian of course.

I read your preference loud and clear, even through the obvious sarcasm of 'holy water', 'Christian', 'good bombs', etc.

Cambodia style right? Level the ME to a smoking glass parking lot? Never give up! Force is all they will ever understand!

did I read you right?

[Derek 2.0]

http://rt.com/news/169256-isis-create-islamic-state/

Scary proposition to think about.

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Are more US bombs on the civilian population going to stop it.

Or is this calling for a totally new approach to the problem. Get all Western forces out of the ME and stop the meddling in their affairs. Bring the situation back to the peaceful situation on the Arabian peninsula before the meddling.

Is ISIS bent on the destruction of all that isn't Muslim or is that just an invented justification for US led meddling for oil? Has it gone too far now and what was a phony justification now become a allout Jihadist effort to destroy the West and everything that isn't Islam?

We may have reached a point of no return.

What about Russian bombs and rockets employed by Russian Frogfoots and Hinds of the Iraqi air force? Should the East, in your view, also “stop meddling”?

Also, still waiting for you to demonstrate when the Arabian peninsula was peaceful? Saddam Hussein used to great effect Soviet Su-25s and Mil-24s against his own population and that of Iran.

[bush_cheney2004]

Force, of the British and French empire kind, carved the ME into little pieces a long time before the U.S. got involved. And force will continue to be the determining factor in the future.....just ask Israel. You want peace...prepare for war.

[Derek 2.0]

Force, of the British and French empire kind, carved the ME into little pieces a long time before the U.S. got involved. And force will continue to be the determining factor in the future.....just ask Israel. You want peace...prepare for war.

And before that the Ottoman Empire and before that the Holy Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Persians, the Romans etc….Frankly, I don’t know when the region ever was peaceful.

[monty16]

What about Russian bombs and rockets employed by Russian Frogfoots and Hinds of the Iraqi air force? Should the East, in your view, also “stop meddling”?

Also, still waiting for you to demonstrate when the Arabian peninsula was peaceful? Saddam Hussein used to great effect Soviet Su-25s and Mil-24s against his own population and that of Iran.

I would say that all countries need to stop meddling in the ME's affairs. And I'm cautious of saying that an invited country such as Russia now in Iraq, will turn out to be in support of any good. My gut feeling that any support of Maliki, who was a US installed and sympathetic dictator, wouldn't be good for Iraq. Your opinions?

[WWWTT]

They haven't killed one American yet though. So if it's the American's they're mad at, they've got a weird way of showing it! Kill Muslims, kill Muslims!

Al Qaeda never attacks Israel or Jewish interest either.

Funny how that works hey?

But don't look into it any further or people here will automatically ASSUME you wear a tin foil hat!

WWWTT

[monty16]

Force, of the British and French empire kind, carved the ME into little pieces a long time before the U.S. got involved. And force will continue to be the determining factor in the future.....just ask Israel. You want peace...prepare for war.

Thanks for your support of my opinions.

[WWWTT]

And before that the Ottoman Empire and before that the Holy Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Persians, the Romans etc….Frankly, I don’t know when the region ever was peaceful.

Ya it was peaceful during the Ottoman empire for hundreds of years.

But for those who want war, war is all they see=war pig!

WWWTT

[monty16]

Al Qaeda never attacks Israel or Jewish interest either.

Funny how that works hey?

But don't look into it any further or people here will automatically ASSUME you wear a tin foil hat!

WWWTT

It's not obvious what conclusions you're hoping we take from that comment. Are you suggesting that Al Qaida is in bed with the Zionists?

fwiw, I wouldn't agree but I do understand how the Zionists are able to play competing interests against each other for their own betterment. There are lots of examples of that we can relate to here.

[Derek 2.0]

I would say that all countries need to stop meddling in the ME's affairs. And I'm cautious of saying that an invited country such as Russia now in Iraq, will turn out to be in support of any good. My gut feeling that any support of Maliki, who was a US installed and sympathetic dictator, wouldn't be good for Iraq. Your opinions?

I agree that his days are indeed numbered and any support for him without condition is clearly a waste of political capital.

[On Guard for Thee]

http://rt.com/news/169256-isis-create-islamic-state/

Scary proposition to think about.

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Are more US bombs on the civilian population going to stop it.

Or is this calling for a totally new approach to the problem. Get all Western forces out of the ME and stop the meddling in their affairs. Bring the situation back to the peaceful situation on the Arabian peninsula before the meddling.

Is ISIS bent on the destruction of all that isn't Muslim or is that just an invented justification for US led meddling for oil? Has it gone too far now and what was a phony justification now become a allout Jihadist effort to destroy the West and everything that isn't Islam?

We may have reached a point of no return.

Read your own link, here's a quote below. So is that your idea of a "peaceful situation" If it is, it seems they are achieving it quite well without any meddling from the west. Muslims mass murdering other Muslims. Never heard of that before!

"The militant group, notorious for its brutal violence, separated from Al-Qaeda in early 2014. It has seized major areas of western and northern Iraq in recent weeks, committing mass murders of opposing Shia Muslims in the region."

[WWWTT]

fwiw, I wouldn't agree but I do understand how the Zionists are able to play competing interests against each other for their own betterment. There are lots of examples of that we can relate to here.

It's an old British tactic.

The Brits did this back during the American civil war by supplying the southern states to only further weaken the US.

Also used in China around the same time to the earlier parts of the twentieth century.

Also used right here at home too actually! But on a different level. Corporations love to see unions fighting among themselves!

WWWTT

[monty16]

Read your own link, here's a quote below. So is that your idea of a "peaceful situation" If it is, it seems they are achieving it quite well without any meddling from the west. Muslims mass murdering other Muslims. Never heard of that before!

"The militant group, notorious for its brutal violence, separated from Al-Qaeda in early 2014. It has seized major areas of western and northern Iraq in recent weeks, committing mass murders of opposing Shia Muslims in the region."

Thanks for your opinion. If we are to believe that their interests are different from Al Qaida's interests then we have noting to worry about. I don't believe that even though we know that they aren't Al Qaida.

In the very near future, days perhaps, we are going to hear the US propagandists sounding off about this issue. I'm almost sure they will take the position that they will have to bomb them over there so they can't bomb us over here.

[On Guard for Thee]

Thanks for your opinion. If we are to believe that their interests are different from Al Qaida's interests then we have noting to worry about. I don't believe that even though we know that they aren't Al Qaida.

In the very near future, days perhaps, we are going to hear the US propagandists sounding off about this issue. I'm almost sure they will take the position that they will have to bomb them over there so they can't bomb us over here.

Nope. Russia is already supplying the Iraqui's with jets so they can do the bombing themselves.

[Argus]

No...I think that only the "good bombs" from Canada and the UN can stop it.

The only good bombs come from Russia. Don't you know anything!?