GostHacked Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 The main reason this would be done is to oppose the Sunni friendly leadership that has made closer ties with Iran. Someone in Washington does not like that idea. They were hoping for a more pro-west government, but that did not happen. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 How do you want to be seen on this forum? I want to be seen and regarded as credible Major fail, then. and I want people who think my comments aren't credible to challenge them. The thing is that your claims and opinions are so absurd, and your cites so lacking in er, credibility, that nobody even bothers to refute them. Who is going to find cites and waste time rebutting a clown who insists the moon is made of cheese? Only the truly bored. Your claims and the sources for them, are only minutely more credible than that, and deservedly, draw mostly mockery. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 You rebut nothing RT says because you don't understand what they're saying. nuff said. nuff time wasted on that. I think what you meant to say was: You rebut nothing RT says because you don't CARE what they're saying. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 To answer - yes, Fox News does make up ridiculous stories and they're called out here for doing so. Similarly, I pointed out that the RT story adds speculative questions (" Luck or well-placed friends in Washington? "). They also make no bones about partisan accusations (" The claims by Washington that they took special care not to train ‘Salafist’ or jihadist extremists, is a joke. ") (" Washington has done virtually nothing but make a few silly speeches about their ‘concern’ and dispatch 275 US special forces to allegedly protect US personnel in Iraq. " ) What is the US's motivation to sow havoc in a region that they spent billions and thousands of American lives to build up ? And to destabilize oil prices when that was supposedly the entire motivation for the Iraq invasion ? The article doesn't even address that does it ? The problem I have with conspiracy theories like this is (or ONE problem) is that they never add up to a central strategy. With these people, the US would willingly make itself look bad to achieve some minor goal in the region. Now, you add RT's questionable reputation ( Here's their article on why 9/11 was probably an inside job: http://rt.com/usa/911-attack-job/ ) and it puts them in a different class of media from Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CBC, BBC, and other established information institutions. Now there's what I call substance Michael! Well done! And I would agree completely that the 'inside job' theories are ridiculous and have no place on a news outlet. They've certainly stooped to the level of Fox news even though thousands or maybe even millions of Americans would agree with them on it being an inside job. But Michael, stop before you go too far. It doesn't put RT in a different class from Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and the others you named. It merely points out that their conspiracy theories are Russia biased while the others are US biased. The proof of that is in knowing that the US media outlets knowingly accepted US propaganda lies that allowed the US to bomb Iraq. So I'm at least asking Canadians to criticize with some substance, both RT news and the US media. It's a totally valid request but I fear that most posters on this forum are not politically informed enough to even begin to do that. And so what is angering so many of them so much is that they hear the challenge and they're caught flatfooted. p.s. the Americans who won't accept some truths from RT are the same ones who don't speak out against the 'inside job' conspiracy theories. You and I both know why! LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Michael Harding, Here's my substance to prove that RT isn't in a different class from Fox news on the 'inside job' theories. I wonder if RT would go that far in condemning Russia with some conspiracy theory of the like? Critics Demand Resignation of U.N. Official Who Wants ... www.foxnews.com/story/.../15/...who-wants-probe-11-inside-job-theories 2008-07-15 · ... investigating theories that the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were an 'inside job.' ... FOX News Network, LLC ... . 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories 2014-06-10 · ... the "inside job" theory was the subject of ... The "no plane theory," promoted by Internet videos like 911 ... on the Canadian website for CBC News: ... Terminology · History · Types of conspiracy · Theories · Cover-up allegations . Videos of fox news 911 inside job theory bing.com/videos 8:09 Conspiracy theory 9/11 Geraldo Riv… YouTube 1:19 911 Pentagon Conspiracy Theo… YouTube 1:48 Cornel West Embraces 9/11 T… YouTube 4:17 Jesse Ventura - TruTV Conspirac… YouTube . 911 inside job - Kevin Barrett on fox news - YouTube www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NWFqVVRqSY By Basra C · 6 min · 46,133 views · Added 2006-09-06 911 inside job - Kevin Barrett on fox news Basra C ... . Did you just see Fox News say that 911 was an inside job ... answers.yahoo.com › Politics & Government › Politics Resolved · 9 posts · 8 total answers · Published 2007-07-04 2007-07-04 · Did you just see Fox News say that 911 was an inside job and explosives were used?? . LiveLeak.com - 911 - Top FBI man confirms "inside Job" www.liveleak.com/view?i=d1e_1290162954 Fox News on 911 being a inside Job.. ... Critics Demand Resignation of U.N. Official Who Wants Probe of 9/11 'Inside Job' Theories; Advertisers. Advertise on Liveleak . 911 whistleblower 911 inside JOb! - YouTube www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwUCYC6zsx8 By Shujal Soljaboy · 5 min · 8,943 views · Added 2012-05-08 News Fox: A professor investigates 911 that it was An inside Job! . Former George Bush Chief Economist says, 911 Was an Inside Job www.liveleak.com/view?i=daa_1401298800 ... official to publicly claim that 9/11 was an inside job, ... Official Who Wants Probe of 9/11 'Inside Job' Theories; Fox News on 911 being a inside Job.. . 9/11 "Inside Job" - Conspiracy Theories - Reporter Fox ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQMeDDRFE4E By yudiweb · 5 min · 6,838 views · Added 2008-01-16 9/11 Inside Job - Conspiracy Theories, Fox News, ... 9/11 "Inside Job" - Conspiracy Theories ... 1:23:32 Painful Deceptions 911 Documentary by Eric ... --------------------------------- Considering that Fox news has a comparable crazed theory for us nearly every week, I would say that the biggest problem is that Americans have been propagandized into not accepting anything that is possibly red, commie, pinko, or otherwise would hurt their ears. It's just sad that so many Canadians are going along with it. Edited June 25, 2014 by monty16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 And I would agree completely that the 'inside job' theories are ridiculous and have no place on a news outlet. Thanks. It merely points out that their conspiracy theories are Russia biased while the others are US biased. The proof of that is in knowing that the US media outlets knowingly accepted US propaganda lies that allowed the US to bomb Iraq. There's a difference between a falsehood and a conspiracy theory. You had US officials testifying to the UN about WMD. Of course, they were wrong in the end. I fear that most posters on this forum are not politically informed enough to even begin to do that. Then you have a lot of work to do in educating them. Your links are kind of messy. I'll bet Fox had some fringe people on their network, and I know CBC also showed documentaries about 9/11. Point taken, but they're still a level above on quality. I can see RT still promotes conspiracy ideas. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 ...o I'm at least asking Canadians to criticize with some substance, both RT news and the US media. It's a totally valid request but I fear that most posters on this forum are not politically informed enough to even begin to do that. And so what is angering so many of them so much is that they hear the challenge and they're caught flatfooted. Why do Canadians consume so much US media to begin with given your stance? Are there no other domestic or international alternatives ? CBC, Canada's state broadcaster, routinely regurgitates American wire service stories. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Why do Canadians consume so much US media to begin with given your stance? Are there no other domestic or international alternatives ? CBC, Canada's state broadcaster, routinely regurgitates American wire service stories. Cuz they're cheap. I mostly watch the BBC, Euronews, GW, and then flick through the rest. I ignore RT and FOX, of course, since I have a functioning brain. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Cuz they're cheap. I mostly watch the BBC, Euronews, GW, and then flick through the rest. I ignore RT and FOX, of course, since I have a functioning brain. To lump Fox News in with RT is not very bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 To lump Fox News in with RT is not very bright.Once again, you are correct. Argus should have said The Onion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 To lump Fox News in with RT is not very bright. Why not? Same credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 There's a difference between a falsehood and a conspiracy theory. You had US officials testifying to the UN about WMD. Of course, they were wrong in the end. I don't think you can say that they were wrong, I think they knew that they were lying to build a case. All indications point to that as opposed to being fooled by Iraq or really believing the WMD's existed. The US were in a panic to stop the inspections and the search for the missing WMD's. Now consider the repercussions if Russia had attempted to do the same thing with/to the UN! And consider that the US doesn't want to compare Russia's annexation of the Crimea after a referendum to do so, with the US crimes in Iraq. Because, the two aren't comparable!! No, of course the two aren't comparable. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Simply put, none of the US apologists are going to get a free ride as long as I'm around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Well if they were right then they weren't lying ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Well if they were right then they weren't lying ? That doesn't make sense Michael. I you want continue to debate the facts then explain. If that was your parting shot before you run away from the facts I've related then goodbye. Take the high road Michael and stick around. For the forum at least! It's so disheartening when one can't find the intelligence of a garden slug from the regulars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 That doesn't make sense Michael. I you want continue to debate the facts then explain. If that was your parting shot before you run away from the facts I've related then goodbye. Take the high road Michael and stick around. For the forum at least! It's so disheartening when one can't find the intelligence of a garden slug from the regulars. Perhaps you should take the high road and move along with your superior "inrelligence" and leave us "garden slugs" alone to debate the issue sensibly. Although honestly I hope you don't. I'd miss the laughter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I'm not 100% sure on this report but I'm not saying it couldn't be true, who knows what their governments and military are up to. Having said that, who or what would any of you believe IF it was true.? Radio stations, magazines, documents etc. or are you at a mind-set, that no country in the West would do any thing against the other countries and scam it people?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Hey get this from the US media pretenders: ISIS supporters vow to avenge any US airstrike in Iraq! So that now leads us to believe that the US is not buddying up to ISIS. Or, it's just pretending to not buddy up. Stand on guard for me and tell us what it is in your expert opinions? I think your inrelligence is that which garden slugs substitute for intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 That doesn't make sense Michael. I you want continue to debate the facts then explain. You I want continue ? WHAT ? Now... that doesn't make sense. If that was your parting shot before you run away from the facts I've related then goodbye. You stated that they weren't wrong, they were lying. It stands to reason. I'm not going anywhere. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) You I want continue ? WHAT ? Now... that doesn't make sense. You stated that they weren't wrong, they were lying. It stands to reason. I'm not going anywhere. Sorry for the typo but thanks for sticking around. It' reassuring to know that somebody with a bit of authority on this forum isn't in the West's pocket. I suspected that there was a force for good at work. And yes, of course they were lying and they knew that they needed to lie. It's just such a tragedy and a miscarriage of justice that they will never have to answer for their lies which led to the murder of hundreds of thousands. Edited June 26, 2014 by monty16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Hey get this from the US media pretenders: ISIS supporters vow to avenge any US airstrike in Iraq! So that now leads us to believe that the US is not buddying up to ISIS. Or, it's just pretending to not buddy up. Stand on guard for me and tell us what it is in your expert opinions? I think your inrelligence is that which garden slugs substitute for intelligence. Garden slugs do after all have a place in the world. Even you can figure out the US is not a friend of ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I understand your desire to have a good discussion but you should be aware that RT is not widely accepted here as an objective source for news or analysis. Whoever wrote that piece sounds a mte bit unbalanced. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Most of what I have looked at on RT I would say deserves even a harsher criticism than unbalanced. Maybe just plain "goofy" would work but I'm open to suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Most of what I have looked at on RT I would say deserves even a harsher criticism than unbalanced. Maybe just plain "goofy" would work but I'm open to suggestions. Goofy will do for US apologists who can't come up with specific criticisms. My suggestion would be that you tell us what you think is goofy and we'll get into debating it. What? You can't do that because you would make a fool of yourself. And if you did that then would anybody continue to think that you're really not a precocious teenager but you're a genuine real expert after all? Trash talk is cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Goofy will do for US apologists who can't come up with specific criticisms. My suggestion would be that you tell us what you think is goofy and we'll get into debating it. What? You can't do that because you would make a fool of yourself. And if you did that then would anybody continue to think that you're really not a precocious teenager but you're a genuine real expert after all? Trash talk is cheap. RT is pretty goofy. Look at what they say and where they come from. Sort of like getting your newa from the "house of Saud" or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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