jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Posted February 20, 2015 It seems rather arbitrary, that's all. Of course it's not really arbitrary, because people are just people. That's why the entire thing is so ridiculous.Makes sense to me. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Makes sense to me. Only because of your bias. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 It seems rather arbitrary, that's all. Of course it's not really arbitrary, because people are just people. That's why the entire thing is so ridiculous. European contact just prior to the takeover by Europeans of Canada is "arbitrary"... Why don't you give us your definite date that should have been used? Remember.... don't pick anything arbitrarily... Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 European contact just prior to the takeover by Europeans of Canada is "arbitrary"... Why don't you give us your definite date that should have been used? How about...none? The current legal framework would exist no matter what, whether or not certain people had been given certain special status that only serves to divide the Canadian population. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) How about...none? The current legal framework would exist no matter what, whether or not certain people had been given certain special status that only serves to divide the Canadian population.It is all protected by the Crown.Love it or leave it. Or change the Constitution. Edited February 20, 2015 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Love it or leave it. Or change the Constitution. I'm pretty sure that in this country, we actually have the right to voice our opposition to the status quo. I will continue to do that until it is changed. I will also continue to point out the hypocrisy of your positions when the issue arises. Quote
jacee Posted March 6, 2015 Author Report Posted March 6, 2015 A good review of the new reality of Indigenous rights and legal successes in Canada. /commentary-aboriginal-peoples-score-200-legal-wins-in-canadas-resources-sector Our challenge is to work within the legal reality for the benefit of all Canadians, Indigenous and otherwise. I'm not in agreement with Harper,s Bill C 51 that criminalizing Indigenous people protesting pipelines, cracking, clear cutting and other resource projects is the right approach though. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 Natives are always crying about something. Why don't they be productive members of society instead of being a drain on its resources. Too many Natives feel that they ate somehow owed by the government. This disgusting line of thinking is passed down through each generation. So that each generation sits around waiting for handouts. A lot of them buy TVs new minivans nice cars but live in squalor and won't spend a dime to fix up their own houses expecting the government to do it for them. They can go to university for free but most would rather sit on the Rez getting drunk or huff glue. Its a sad state if affairs that this cancerous teachings are being passed down like an heirloom. Quote
jacee Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Posted March 7, 2015 Natives are always crying about something. Why don't they be productive members of society instead of being a drain on its resources. Gee, if you read the link you'd know that the resources belong to them. Too many Natives feel that they ate somehow owed by the government. This disgusting line of thinking is passed down through each generation. So that each generation sits around waiting for handouts. A lot of them buy TVs new minivans nice cars but live in squalor and won't spend a dime to fix up their own houses expecting the government to do it for them. They can go to university for free but most would rather sit on the Rez getting drunk or huff glue. Its a sad state if affairs that this cancerous teachings are being passed down like an heirloom. Speaking of "disgusting" ... Commenting in ignorance is ... well ... :/ Read the link and get back to me. You'll be delighted to learn that things aren't nearly as bleak as you paint with your broadbrush. ... the courts themselves that have promoted the need for constructive dialogue. ... Unfortunately, resource-centric governments have continued to do their talking in the court, with devastating results. Because today, after amassing 200 legal wins (Ive been keeping track), Aboriginal Peoples are well on their way to redrawing the map of Canada ... - See more at: http://www.northernminer.com/news/commentary-aboriginal-peoples-score-200-legal-wins-in-canadas-resources-sector/1003508077/?&er=NA#sthash.mVODvwAz.dpuf See, things are really looking up for Indigenous Peoples' full participation in the Canadian economy, wherever resources are found on their traditional land mostly in remote communities. Try to catch up ... . Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 200 wins and they'd still rather sit around huffing glue in the rez? Quote
jacee Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) You obsessed with glue? It shows. 200 wins ...Ya, eh!?! Aboriginal Peoples as Resource Rulers In regions of Canada with significant aboriginal populations, there will now be little resource development without Aboriginal Peoples wholly onside. ... Canadians now need to appreciate the power consequences of living in a country with an emerging class of resource gatekeepers whom I call "Resource Rulers." ... 2. Redrawing the map of Canada Huge swaths of the countrys potential resource bounty north of the Trans-Canada Highway are already under de facto native control, ... - See more at: http://www.northernminer.com/news/commentary-aboriginal-peoples-score-200-legal-wins-in-canadas-resources-sector/1003508077/?&er=NA#sthash.mVODvwAz.nnmDvsLs.dpuf Etc, etc. Interesting conclusion: The missing ingredient is political statesmanship. . Edited March 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 Its strange that they have all this money yet cannot raise the living conditions on the rez one iota. I thought they were all brothers. Surely they should be able to hell out their fellow red man. They're taught to be racist from a young age. As everything to with the Natives is racist on their part. Kicking white people off the reservation for marrying a Native. The white man tried to tame the savage hundreds of years ago and it would seem that the Natives are still having trouble living and functioning in a modern society. Just as they did back then. Quote
jacee Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Who said money? Can't you read? The govmnt can't get its Act together to negotiate anything. So resource developments are dropping like flies. . Edited March 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 (The white man tried to tame the savage) I assume you are white, ad you sure sound savage. Any chance of you being tamed... Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 Seems to me that a new residential school program is in order do that the Native children can be raised properly. with proper morals, ethical and civic values. Its quite obvious looking at the state of today's reserve system that the current Native mindset is broken. They are a welfare state and is largely ill equipped to help themselves at all. The Natives are given millions each year and still cant seem to pay the bills properly due to band leader corruption. The band chiefs steal the money, pay themselves outrageous salaries and are just not smart enough to manage themselves so far it would seem. They claim to not be part of Canada but sure take our money in a hurry Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 (The white man tried to tame the savage) I assume you are white, ad you sure sound savage. Any chance of you being tamed... I am not white so you'd be wrong.i don't see race as being relevant. The Natives do though. Everything they do is based on racist views. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 I am not white so you'd be wrong.i don't see race as being relevant. The Natives do though. Everything they do is based on racist views. Everything eh...you know this. You righties shoot yourselves in the foot so often with such broad brush statements that are at best laughable, and at worst racist. Quote
jacee Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Seems to me that a new residential school program is in order do that the Native children can be raised properly. with proper morals, ethical and civic values.Ah ... You are raising public support for that idea?Publicly inciting genocide? Article 2 In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group;( Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Article 3 The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide;( Conspiracy to commit genocide;© Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;(d) Attempt to commit genocide;(e) Complicity in genocide. . Edited March 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 "Jacee" now you see genocide? Wow. This is too much for me. Its obvious that they cannot raise their own children properly to be productive adults so the state should step in to educate the children properly so they may be better equipped to go to University which is free and get off the rez and have a real life without government welfare. Its a positive thing not a negative. I truly care about Natives. Its people on the left who need the Natives to be drunk, huffing glue, uneducated, racist and in prison so that they have talking points. If they truly cared for the red man they'd want them to be more successful. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 "Jacee" now you see genocide? Wow. This is too much for me. Its obvious that they cannot raise their own children properly to be productive adults so the state should step in to educate the children properly so they may be better equipped to go to University which is free and get off the rez and have a real life without government welfare. Its a positive thing not a negative. I truly care about Natives. Its people on the left who need the Natives to be drunk, huffing glue, uneducated, racist and in prison so that they have talking points. If they truly cared for the red man they'd want them to be more successful. The state stepped in to educate them once before if you recall. Boy did you leave the back door open there or what! Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 The state stepped in to educate them once before if you recall. Boy did you leave the back door open there or what! Yeah, the idea was good but the implementation wasn't. If people are going to live in our society then they need to be up to speed on how to live properly in a civilized society. That goes for any ethno cultural group. As we're seeing from the Islamic terror around the globe, uneducated people breeds terrorism and dissent. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 Yeah, the idea was good but the implementation wasn't. If people are going to live in our society then they need to be up to speed on how to live properly in a civilized society. That goes for any ethno cultural group. As we're seeing from the Islamic terror around the globe, uneducated people breeds terrorism and dissent. Well the implementation certainly was a horrible scar, but Im not so sure the idea that spawned it was so good either. You make the assumption that the education attempted to be taught was the only good one. I myself dont want to be pasty faced boring WASP. Had too many fulfilling experiences around the world in other cultures to think we should limit ourselves to what the Catholic schools wanted to ram down peoples throats. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 The white man tried to tame the savage hundreds of years ago ... This characterizes a brutal culture war as an attempt to benevolently help another people. You can't believe this. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jacee Posted March 8, 2015 Author Report Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) This characterizes a brutal culture war as an attempt to benevolently help another people. You can't believe this.Wanna bet? :/However ... wrong ... the healthiest most self sustaining Indigenous communities are those actively pursuing 'cultural continuity': mother-fights-to-use-aboriginal-name-for-daughter-with-unusual-spelling-sahai What the heck ... Three founding peoples Three legal traditions Three alphabets. What's the problem? Besides a bunch of blockhead bureaucrats. . Edited March 8, 2015 by jacee Quote
The_Squid Posted March 8, 2015 Report Posted March 8, 2015 Wanna bet? :/ However ... wrong ... the healthiest most self sustaining Indigenous communities are those actively pursuing 'cultural continuity':mother-fights-to-use-aboriginal-name-for-daughter-with-unusual-spelling-sahai What the heck ... Three founding peoples Three legal traditions Three alphabets. What's the problem? Besides a bunch of blockhead bureaucrats. . Should culturally Chinese parents spell their kids' names with Chinese characters? We have a legal alphabet that we use in this country. It has Roman letters. Even the mother admits at the end of the article that the kid will need to spell the name ewith Roman letters. What a silly made-up non-issue this is. Quote
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