Topaz Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 The secretive internal economy committee, makeup with ALL parties MP's, have charged the NDP with a 1.17 Million fine/fee for improper mails. The NDP say the other two parties have done this, especially the Tories and now the NDP will take this case to court. 1.7 million seems like a lot of money for mailings and as it was pointed out on the CBC panel, even small businesses owe Canada Post that much in their mailings. Thoughts? http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-mps-ordered-to-repay-1-17m-over-improper-mailings-1.1863801 Quote
cybercoma Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Actually, around $30,000 is owed to Parliament, the rest is up to Canada Post to collect. It's also really unclear how the NDP was doing anything different from the other MPs and since the committee refuses to public discuss their charge, we won't know any time soon. Seems pretty clear the Conservatives and Liberals are looking to bankrupt the NDP just before the election. The timing couldn't be more convenient. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
westguy Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 cyber- I am curious why you find it diificult to accept that the NDP could havem done something wrong Quote
cybercoma Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Because the hearing was held in secrecy. If they did something wrong, then they should lay all the cards on the table publicly. MPs mail stuff all the time, so it's pretty difficult to see how what the NDP were doing was any different from the other parties. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Moonbox Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 The secrecy doesn't mean they didn't do anything wrong. It means that we don't know and can't really judge for ourselves. The public's condemnation of the NDP in this case is no more suspect than your assertion that the Liberals and Conservatives are trying to bankrupt them. At any rate, it will all become clear at court. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
overthere Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Who is the NDP going to sue? Canada Post? More likely Canada Post will sue them, plus interest, given the shaky finacial position at the post office. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Moonbox Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Sueing? What? Who? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Big Guy Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 NDP suing Canada Post, Khadr suing the federal government, Wynne suing Hudak, Our government suing .... What the heck is going on here? What happened to governance and accountability? The only advantage I can see in suing or being sued is that then "you cannot comment because it is before the courts" excuse. Perhaps that excuse is the new "no comment because anything I say will tend to incriminate me."? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 From Twitter@acoyneNDP will pay back ‘every single penny’ of $1.13M spent send out partisan missives, Lisa Raitt vows http://t.co/svak0reV4E2014-06-12, 4:51 PM@acoyneHave I got this right? The minister resp. for Cda Post is using her pos’n to demand a Crown corp settle accounts w/her political opponents?2014-06-12, 4:52 PM This isn't political at all. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Topaz Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 Since the minister has said in the past, she can't so anything about the stopping of home delivery by the Canada Post, why is she getting involve??? ALL of the parties are guilty of using taxpayers money for their own purposes, so let's just forget about this and start fresh OR ALL parties pay back ALL monies owed, which is fair and balanced unlike the House of Commons these days. Quote
Shady Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 What hypocrisy. This from a party and it's supporters, especially in this forum, that accuses every other party of inpropriety. And of course, the usual suspects of the forum coming to their defence, when we all know what they'd be saying if Harper sending out partisan mail on the taxpayer dime. You people have lost any and all credibility. Quote
Topaz Posted June 13, 2014 Author Report Posted June 13, 2014 ALL the parties are guilty of this and I know anyone watch QP is going to be sick of the Tories telling the NDP about paying back the money when they are asked any question, Thank God, the MP's are going on their 6 month summer break! Quote
GostHacked Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 Is a fine enough? Or does this need to be further investigated like the Robocalls. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Big Guy Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 I do not think that the members of the NDP knowingly did these "illegal" mailings. It makes no sense to leave yourself that vulnerable to criticism for the small potential political returns. I think they truly believed that what they did was legit. Besides, a political party in not a single entity but a conglomeration of individuals. Somebody made a mistake. So what. A political party should be judged on its policy, not the mistakes, miscalculations or misguided enthusiasm of some individuals. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PIK Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 They got caught ,so pay up and don't get caught the next time. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 Is a fine enough? Or does this need to be further investigated like the Robocalls.It should absolutely be further investigated. This entire thing should be brought out into the light for all to see. This kind of trial should not take place behind closed doors. If the NDP are defrauding taxpayers, let's get it all out in the open. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 don't get caughtThe Conservative mantra. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Shady Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 The Conservative mantra. What's the NDP mantra? Probably that rules are for other parties to follow. Quote
The_Squid Posted June 14, 2014 Report Posted June 14, 2014 Absolutely.... Let's get an arbiter (the courts) to look at this. Take the partisanship out of it. If they're truly guilty, then hold them to account. This can't be trusted to be left with Liberals or CPC. Both have been known to flout the laws when it comes to politics. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
cybercoma Posted June 14, 2014 Report Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) It's also a conflict of interest. It benefits them immensely to bankrupt the NDP before the election. But more importantly Canadians deserve to know exactly what these improprieties were. We deserve to know the nature and full scope of this fraud. Edited June 14, 2014 by cybercoma Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Bryan Posted June 14, 2014 Report Posted June 14, 2014 The stories posted are pretty vague about what specifically the NDP was doing. I know the CPC keeps party and govt mailings and calling completely separate -- public resources are absolutely not used at all for fundraising and the like. The grey part is when MP communication to their constituents is written in a partisan manner. So that's the question I want to know: are we talking about the NDP using public offices, staff and equipment to do party business, or are we talking about MP communications not being neutral enough? The OP article has this: After a months-long investigation, the board concluded the letters were partisan, “prepared by and for the benefit of the NDP as a political party to advance electoral purposes.” The mailings included the party logo and website. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-mps-ordered-to-repay-1-17m-over-improper-mailings-1.1863801#ixzz34dA89NRJ To me, that sounds like they were conducting party specific business, rather than party slanted MP business. I'd really like to see the mailers to see if that's actually the case. Sometimes the distinctions are subtle, but there definitely is a difference. I can tell right away which mailers I get from my MP are sent from the her MP office, and which are sent from the EDA. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 16, 2014 Report Posted June 16, 2014 The stories posted are pretty vague about what specifically the NDP was doing. I know the CPC keeps party and govt mailings and calling completely separate -- public resources are absolutely not used at all for fundraising and the like. The grey part is when MP communication to their constituents is written in a partisan manner. So that's the question I want to know: are we talking about the NDP using public offices, staff and equipment to do party business, or are we talking about MP communications not being neutral enough? The OP article has this: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-mps-ordered-to-repay-1-17m-over-improper-mailings-1.1863801#ixzz34dA89NRJ To me, that sounds like they were conducting party specific business, rather than party slanted MP business. I'd really like to see the mailers to see if that's actually the case. Sometimes the distinctions are subtle, but there definitely is a difference. I can tell right away which mailers I get from my MP are sent from the her MP office, and which are sent from the EDA. I'd be careful about jumping to any conclusions about how the cons conduct their business until the Mike Sona case is over. So far it doesn't look so good for the CPC. Quote
Topaz Posted June 16, 2014 Author Report Posted June 16, 2014 The Libs and the Tories have their owns reasons for going after the NDP, which hasn't done anything that the other two parties have done and I think its time for this internal secret committee open the door and let Canadians know exactly what has been going in behind secretive doors. http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1214609-leger-mps-secrets-too-closely-guarded Quote
Smallc Posted June 16, 2014 Report Posted June 16, 2014 Funny how you can't do anything when you're never in power. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted June 16, 2014 Report Posted June 16, 2014 The Libs and the Tories have their owns reasons for going after the NDP, which hasn't done anything that the other two parties have done and I think its time for this internal secret committee open the door and let Canadians know exactly what has been going in behind secretive doors. http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1214609-leger-mps-secrets-too-closely-guarded Topaz - I believe you've said before that "just because the other parties did it doesn't make it right". If the shoe was on the other foot, would you be defending the Conservatives and calling for this "secret committee" to open its doors? Would you? I thought not. Quote Back to Basics
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