This week in Islam

[Marocc]

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I'm betting you don't even know what that says.

Did you ever imagine yourself defending the murder of Apostate Unbelievers? No matter, that answer...

If there's a treaty with the people to whom the apostate has fled...no kill. If he/she returns to you without returning to Islam...kill.

The end result is still seize them and kill them. When the treaty ends in the first case. Unless you rejoin the death cult...that is.

Next up: defending the Holocaust....and go.

"But as for those who seek refuge with people with whom you have a treaty, or who come over to you because their hearts shrink from fighting against you or against their own people, God could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw and do not fight you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no way against them." 4:90

" .... with whom you have a treaty, or who come over to you because their hearts shrink from fighting against you or against their own people.... " 4:90

[Marocc]

7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Conversely, Islam is not a religion...it's a political system that stole the divine bits from other cultures...then eliminated them.

Divine bits in other cultures? What were those?

[Marocc]

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/bukhari/052-sbt.htm#004.052.260

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...so much for your cites

 

Did you ever wonder why women aren't killed?

[Marocc]

9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'

 

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/bukhari/052-sbt.htm#004.052.260

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...so much for your cites.

[Edit]

Got to luv it...Ali just happened to be burning some folks...alive...heh. But...you know...ol' ISIS is a perversion of Islam.

For those who go...huh? Ali? The boxer??

No...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali

Let's see where could the burning have occurred to Ali as it certainly isn't permitted in Islam. In fact it is prohibited in several hadiths. But take a look at the old testament.

Leviticus 21:9 "Also the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by harlotry, she profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire."

Genesis 38:24 "Now it was about three months later that Judah was informed, "Your daughter-in-law Tamar has played the harlot, and behold, she is also with child by harlotry." Then Judah said, "Bring her out and let her be burned!""

Leviticus 20:14 "If there is a man who marries a woman and her mother, it is immorality; both he and they shall be burned with fire, so that there will be no immorality in your midst"

Joshua 7:25  "Joshua said, "Why have you troubled us? The LORD will trouble you this day." And all Israel stoned them with stones; and they burned them with fire after they had stoned them with stones."

"As the Bible nowhere states the precise mode in which this kind of death is to be carried out, the authorities during the second Temple maintained that it must be executed in such a manner as to leave the body externally un changed by the flames, because, when God himself inflicted this punishment, the dead bodies of Nadab and Abihu were in a perfect state of preservation. (See Leviticus 10:2.) To effect this the criminal was put into dung up to his knees, a soft cloth containing a hard one was then tied around his throat, while the two witnesses who had secured his sentence drew tighter by the two cords till the criminal opened his mouth, when molten lead was poured down his throat, thus burning him to death. Hence the ancient Chaldee Version renders it here, “they shall be burnt with fire, with melted lead in their mouth.”"

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/leviticus/20-14.htm

Edited July 11, 2019 by Marocc

[OftenWrong]

12 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

Totalitarian madness.

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, bcsapper said:

If we didn't argue about it what would be the point?  That's why we're all here, after all.

If the thread were about actions by groups and individuals of authority then that would be one thing.

But highlighting crimes by individuals that are part of one group doesn't happen with any other group here.

Imagine a thread called this week in Jewish embezzlement or this week in black crime.

[GostHacked]

11 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're free to side with Islam. I don't care.

Please tell me more about how you don't care?  By posting that you don't care?  Gotcha.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If the thread were about actions by groups and individuals of authority then that would be one thing.

But highlighting crimes by individuals that are part of one group doesn't happen with any other group here.

Imagine a thread called this week in Jewish embezzlement or this week in black crime.

I agree 100%.  If a Muslim robs a bank, I don't care any more than if a Christian or an atheist does.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I agree 100%.  If a Muslim robs a bank, I don't care any more than if a Christian or an atheist does.

I think we should remember that we agree on the best use of the thread.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

Imagine a thread called this week in Jewish embezzlement or this week in black crime.

Right,  one of my articles for the Jewish Embezzlement would be the corruption charges brought up against Netenyahu (and members of this family). By the logic we see here in this thread, that would mean ALL Jews are corrupt, which is not the case and a terrible argument to propose in the first place. It's used simply for trolling purposes, nothing more.

[OftenWrong]

The thread is about Islam. Feel free to contribute things both positive and negative. Never mind the outraged buttercups.

[scribblet]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

If the thread were about actions by groups and individuals of authority then that would be one thing.

But highlighting crimes by individuals that are part of one group doesn't happen with any other group here.

Imagine a thread called this week in Jewish embezzlement or this week in black crime.

A better equivalent would be 'This Week in Judaism' or 'This Week in Christianity' - no race or colour has been mentioned, only by you. 

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Right,  one of my articles for the Jewish Embezzlement would be the corruption charges brought up against Netenyahu (and members of this family). By the logic we see here in this thread, that would mean ALL Jews are corrupt, which is not the case and a terrible argument to propose in the first place. It's used simply for trolling purposes, nothing more.

The comparison between the random acts of criminals and Islam, in which violence is encoded in their scripts and culture, completely fails.

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, scribblet said:

A better equivalent would be 'This Week in Judaism' or 'This Week in Christianity' - no race or colour has been mentioned, only by you. 

The point is a targeted group.   No other group has it's very own topic dedicated to tracking the crimes committed by individuals from that group, yet any group has badly-behaved members.  There's no "This Week in Leftism", or "This Week in Trumpland", even though some people  believe that those groups are a scourge on civilization.

[scribblet]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

The point is a targeted group.   No other group has it's very own topic dedicated to tracking the crimes committed by individuals from that group, yet any group has badly-behaved members.  There's no "This Week in Leftism", or "This Week in Trumpland", even though some people  believe that those groups are a scourge on civilization.

Yes they do, but while we do know that not ALL Muslims are badly behaved, no other group is so associated with barbaric acts, have such fundamental differences in culture, principles (especially when it comes to women)  and reject much of their host country's values as this group does.   We see across Europe  how this is negatively affecting the lives of non Muslims.   We see our schools and other places having to accommodate for prayers and so on while accepting discrimination against females.  Now, we see any criticism of Islam is controlled via various legal procedures in an attempt  to force acceptance of values that are in stark opposition to western values/culture etc. etc. to why wouldn't people be concerned as they watch this happen, and fear it because it is spreading across the west as demographics change; and more importantly, as more Islamists start to win political seats.   

Whitewash it all you like,  but people do fear Islamist fundamentalism, militancy, radicalism, terrorism, and totalitarianism .

 

 

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, dialamah said:

The 4-day discussion was focused on how to combat intolerance, hatred and extremism in Muslim communities and around the the world:

So weird that they would have a 4 day conference on something you claim barely exists in Muslim communities.  They must be Islamophobes.

[GostHacked]

54 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The comparison between the random acts of criminals and Islam, in which violence is encoded in their scripts and culture, completely fails.

What if those random acts (not really random) are coming from the leader of the nation?

[Marocc]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Totalitarian madness.

Where?

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I agree 100%.  If a Muslim robs a bank, I don't care any more than if a Christian or an atheist does.

What is a Muslim assaults someone sexually? It was interesting at the American border control just now some official groped a 15 year old. No one cares much but if he had been a Muslim, you'd all be hyperventilating.

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So weird that they would have a 4 day conference on something you claim barely exists in Muslim communities.  They must be Islamophobes.

3 days and 23 hours was for the around the world part.

[Marocc]

3 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

What if those random acts (not really random) are coming from the leader of the nation?

Then you have to figure out if that leader hates more the Muslims or the Jews. If he hates Muslims and you hate Muslims, he's a fine leader and if he hates the jews and you hate the jews he's a fine leader. If he hates another from who you do he's called a x-thing apologists.

[Goddess]

5 hours ago, Marocc said:

Did you ever wonder why women aren't killed?

You cannot be serious about this.

It's these kinds of statements that have gotten Dia in trouble here - complete denial that women are killed in Islam.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If the thread were about actions by groups and individuals of authority then that would be one thing.

But highlighting crimes by individuals that are part of one group doesn't happen with any other group here.

Imagine a thread called this week in Jewish embezzlement or this week in black crime.

Because nobody is denying that certain things happen in other groups.  It's only Islam that you and your fellow apologists  completely deny what's going on, demand examples, then go frothing at the mouth rabid with cries of "Islamophobe!!!"  "Racist!!!!"  when the examples are provided to you.

Maybe stop denying and demanding examples, if you don't want examples.  And don't tell me you apologists don't deny, because there's an example right above - this apologist claims women are not killed and you and Dia are content to swallow that line of BS with an empty-eyed grin and then say, "Mmmmmmm,,,,, this shyte tastes great!"

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, Marocc said:

 

3 days and 23 hours was for the around the world part.

Really?  Because your fellow apologist said this:

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The 4-day discussion was focused on how to combat intolerance, hatred and extremism in Muslim communities and around the the world:

You guys should get together and coordinate your lies first.

[Marocc]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Really?  Because your fellow apologist said this:

You guys should get together and coordinate your lies first.

You probably think those things only exist among Muslims and from Muslims to non Muslims.

[dialamah]

37 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So weird that they would have a 4 day conference on something you claim barely exists in Muslim communities.  They must be Islamophobes.

Thought you were gonna stop responding to me.  And there you go again, proving out MH's words:    "Demand they reform their religion, but deny any efforts to do so"

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Marocc said:

You probably think those things only exist among Muslims and from Muslims to non Muslims.

You're probably an apologist for Islam who thinks slinging Lying accusations like the above is going to get you somewhere.

[dialamah]

24 minutes ago, Marocc said:

interesting at the American border control just now some official groped a 15 year old. No one cares much but if he had been a Muslim, you'd all be hyperventilating.

So true, and yet they claim they're just "genuine critics of Islam" and condemn all bad behavior equally.