Moderating Mapleafweb's Moderation

[eyeball]

I'd like to know who reports the most - everybody hate a rat, rats most of all.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'd like to know who reports the most - everybody hate a rat, rats most of all.

I would too!

[On Guard for Thee]

I'd like to know who reports the most - everybody hate a rat, rats most of all.

I got 5 bucks ridin' on....oh you know who.

[Hal 9000]

I got 5 bucks ridin' on....oh you know who.

It's you, you know it is. Just fess up.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Hal 9000

[BC_chick]

Currently I have two on ignore, but I change them up depending on my mood of the day or week. BC I have no trouble ignoring even though I've never put him on ignore. I just kind of consider him irrelevant, though I do like to sometimes reference America in some way so as to trip his filters and get him to respond. Even with several people on ignore, I've never had any trouble signing in.

I don't have trouble signing in, I just meant the only thing I don't like about the ignore function is that it's useless *unless* I sign in (which I don't always do when reading the forum).

[BC_chick]

I'd like to know who reports the most - everybody hate a rat, rats most of all.

I had a warning back in October 2008 for using a slur against Harper supporters and a couple of months later when I saw someone refer to Chretien as Cretin I reported in kind. That was December 2008 and it was more out of spite than anything else..

That's the only time I ever 'ratted' and it wasn't a good feeling.

[On Guard for Thee]

I had a warning back in October 2008 for using a slur against Harper supporters and a couple of months later when I saw someone refer to Chretien as Cretin I reported in kind. That was December 2008 and it was more out of spite than anything else..

That's the only time I ever 'ratted' and it wasn't a good feeling.

I suspect that the most prevalent "ratters" would be those far right wing conservative posters. They seem to be the ones who tend to feel insulted whenever they are challenged, and then drift off into sending off actual insults. I have never reported even though I have been insulted, but I know I have been reported for challenges that have been framed as insults. Those conservatives seem to be a bit thin skinned.

[Shady]

Well, I posted a suggestion that maybe the forum needs a section for people to post their conspiracy theories. And promptly received a warning point for it. This forum never fails to illustrate its absurdity some times.

[Michael Hardner]

Well, I posted a suggestion that maybe the forum needs a section for people to post their conspiracy theories. And promptly received a warning point for it. This forum never fails to illustrate its absurdity some times.

The problem was... that we posted a very detailed explanation of how to deal with threads that espouse so-called 'fringe views'. We did this because we saw the response to such threads (excessive reports and derails) as not helping the situation.

After I posted my instructions, unfortunately, you posted exactly the kind of thread derailment we're trying to mitigate (ostensibly, a "suggestion" that we have a "tinfoil" section). Maybe if you look back at my post directly above yours you can understand why I hid your post, in retrospect. I agree with your point about absurdity - we're all guilty of that one.

[Argus]

Ha! Pot meet kettle again!

It is the fact that I do address subjects - subjects you progressives get outraged by - which makes so many of you stutter and fume and hurl insults my way. If any of you were actually capable of addressing the subjects themselves instead of sniveling about how outraged you are that others have a different opinion we'd have a lot less insults here.

The quality of the lefties on this site has deteriorated markedly in the last fifteen years. There used to be several who gave me a real hard time in their possession of facts and arguments. There's no one like that here now, just sanctimonious whiners and self-righteous moralizers.

[Argus]

I would too!

I know that every time I write anything even mildly out of line, or which can be interpreted that way I get an unfriendly note from the mods, so I have little doubt that the perpetually outraged set - which is the so-called progressives here - are hitting the report button quite often.

After my last suspension I decided to return the favour, and if I read anything insulting from a lefty towards me or anyone else I am damned well going to report it forthwith.

[Argus]

I suspect that the most prevalent "ratters" would be those far right wing conservative posters.

Drivel. Any rational reading of this web site would show centre and right wing posters making rational arguments with supporting cites and left wingers sniveling and whining about how their feelings are hurt and how outraged they are and how indignant they are that such evil, hateful people are allowed to post, and why aren't the mods banning them, and why can't such people go and live in another country etc etc.

It doesn't take much intelligence to figure out these are the people hitting 'report' as often as possible.

I've gotten more warning points in the last year than in the previous ten, and I somehow doubt its conservatives reporting me.

They seem to be the ones who tend to feel insulted whenever they are challenged,

Let's see if we can summarize how progressives "challenge" a conservative:

Conservative: So as you see from these fourteen cites from a variety of agenceies immigrants from certain regions perform poorly in Canada in terms of economic output and their impact on the tax base.

Progressive: Racist! Bigot! Xenophobe! Why are people like this allowed to post!? You need to leave Canada!

Edited February 8, 2016 by Argus

[Big Guy]

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I've gotten more warning points in the last year than in the previous ten, and I somehow doubt its conservatives reporting me.

...

Let's see if we can summarize how progressives "challenge" a conservative:

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Progressive: Racist! Bigot! Xenophobe! Why are people like this allowed to post!? You need to leave Canada!

Yes, the mods and the rest of the world are out to get you.

You get warning points for what you post not what you think.

As for all your complaining - "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," from Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, I posted a suggestion that maybe the forum needs a section for people to post their conspiracy theories. And promptly received a warning point for it. This forum never fails to illustrate its absurdity some times.

Wow...that is whacked. Occasionally, the warning points and notices have an opposite intended effect, demonstrating just how arbitrary and capricious they can be.

[On Guard for Thee]

Drivel. Any rational reading of this web site would show centre and right wing posters making rational arguments with supporting cites and left wingers sniveling and whining about how their feelings are hurt and how outraged they are and how indignant they are that such evil, hateful people are allowed to post, and why aren't the mods banning them, and why can't such people go and live in another country etc etc.

It doesn't take much intelligence to figure out these are the people hitting 'report' as often as possible.

I've gotten more warning points in the last year than in the previous ten, and I somehow doubt its conservatives reporting me.

Let's see if we can summarize how progressives "challenge" a conservative:

Conservative: So as you see from these fourteen cites from a variety of agenceies immigrants from certain regions perform poorly in Canada in terms of economic output and their impact on the tax base.

Progressive: Racist! Bigot! Xenophobe! Why are people like this allowed to post!? You need to leave Canada!

I suspect people report simply get tired of insults after awhile and start reporting them.

[Michael Hardner]

Wow...that is whacked.

As per my explanation above, the suggestion that Shady referred to was that we create a 'tinfoil hat section'... which is a derail and likely would have been reported as an insult, etc.

I want to make it clear that those kinds of responds are out-of-bounds even for fringe threads, and people still don't seem to be getting it.

Also... I'm very glad that I have explained how to respond to fringe viewpoints, because the natural inclination for so many is to try to derail them. This discussion will help people understand what derailing is, and how to respond and not respond.

[Charles Anthony]

If it's true that some posts are quite simply filled with craziness, bitterness and anger, wouldn't they be deleted? At least now with the heavy handed approach to deleting posts?

I suppose this response could be directed to the mods. But again it goes back to why members would be 'ignored'.

I think some of you folks need to grow a thicker skin. In my personal opinion, most of what I read is filled with craziness and bitterness. You would not want me deleting posts based solely on our opinions in that regard.

When I see members 'ignoring' other members, this flys in the face of a respectable forum.

Please explain. Are you able to see that members have other members on Ignore? The software is not set up in such a manner.

What about if the post in question makes inflammatory and libelous accusations against someone without any supporting evidence?

How can you suspend someone for saying Harper is stupid and not suspend them for saying he's colluding with drug smugglers?

--- because the poster is attempting to defend his argument.

Calling somebody "stupid" is nothing more than a trivial off-topic attempt to inflame and intimidate. The intelligence of a person is rarely the topic of discussion.

Take the subjectivity out of the equation and the 2 situations are different. This is nothing more than rocket science.

Maybe somebody should do a study and find out who the trolls are.

How in the world would you ever craft such a study? Do you know of any mind-reading technology? I do not.

This is nothing more than rocket science: you all have different opinions to express and you get offended easily.

I could put that poster on ignore but then I would miss some of his views and statements that do make me laugh.

Amen.

[msj]

It is the fact that I do address subjects - subjects you progressives get outraged by - which makes so many of you stutter and fume and hurl insults my way.

Hmm, interesting: you claim to create substance but then immediately go into strawman mode.

Nice ad hominem use here: calling me a progressive and then defining it as being a person who hurls insults, gets outraged and imply that "we" don't address subjects.

If any of you were actually capable of addressing the subjects themselves instead of sniveling about how outraged you are that others have a different opinion we'd have a lot less insults here.The quality of the lefties on this site has deteriorated markedly in the last fifteen years. There used to be several who gave me a real hard time in their possession of facts and arguments. There's no one like that here now, just sanctimonious whiners and self-righteous moralizers.

Yes, here we see more use of the same as stated above.

All invective and accusation and ad hominem.

The funny thing is this: you don't understand that when I wrote "ha! Pot meet kettle" you have no clue as to just how factual it is.

Then you post the above which further demonstrates your penchant for pure hypocrisy on this issue.

Hence my "ha!" becuase you are so self UNaware that it is funny.

Or, to get back to topic, so conveniently aware of your UNawareness that you are a troll.

But I think the former: not a troll, very unaware.

[Smallc]

As per my explanation above, the suggestion that Shady referred to was that we create a 'tinfoil hat section'... which is a derail and likely would have been reported as an insult, etc.

I want to make it clear that those kinds of responds are out-of-bounds even for fringe threads, and people still don't seem to be getting it.

Also... I'm very glad that I have explained how to respond to fringe viewpoints, because the natural inclination for so many is to try to derail them. This discussion will help people understand what derailing is, and how to respond and not respond.

How do you derail something that is, by definition, derailing itself? Edited February 8, 2016 by Smallc

[Smallc]

I think some of you folks need to grow a thicker skin. In my personal opinion, most of what I read is filled with craziness and bitterness. You would not want me deleting posts based solely on our opinions in that regard.

Please explain. Are you able to see that members have other members on Ignore? The software is not set up in such a manner.

--- because the poster is attempting to defend his argument.

Just because you may personally buy the particular 'facts' as they are presented, it doesn't mean that the defence is valid. He made up a bunch of stuff that happens to be libelous, and defended it with more made up libelous stuff. The thread was clearly outside of bounds.

[Michael Hardner]

How do you derail something that is, by definition, derailing itself?

We don't consider so-called 'fringe topics' as derailing, as there are still the basic elements for discussion there. This is difficult for some to understand, but we need people to either to engage in such topics fairly or move on.

[Smallc]

We don't consider so-called 'fringe topics' as derailing, as there are still the basic elements for discussion there

As is true of most derailing.

[bush_cheney2004]

Also... I'm very glad that I have explained how to respond to fringe viewpoints, because the natural inclination for so many is to try to derail them. This discussion will help people understand what derailing is, and how to respond and not respond.

Perhaps you may think you have explained how to respond in a clear way, but it only adds more confusion for me. Either we can respond within forum rules or we can't. Linking to a "prime directive" in another forum area is not "not responding".

[Michael Hardner]

Perhaps you may think you have explained how to respond in a clear way, but it only adds more confusion for me. Either we can respond within forum rules or we can't. Linking to a "prime directive" in another forum area is not "not responding".

Yes, please respond within forum rules. The point is that there are no special rules for Fringe posts, so:

- Don't feel free to ridicule and derail those threads

- Don't report them

- Do treat them like other topics

[Smallc]

So basically I've migrated from MLW to ATS in the last few days. Interesting.