Tories changing Election Canada

[bleeding heart]

Maybe so.

[jacee]

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Edited February 23, 2014 by jacee

[On Guard for Thee]

I guess the Conservatives are greatly irritated by the fact that Marc Mayrand and Elections Canada never seem to go after the Liberals and NDP with the same gusto as they do against the Conservatives.

http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/contributor-columns/column-lilley-elections-canada-is-far-from-fair/

That's because the Liberals nor the NDP did robocalls, such as the type the Conservatives did election day.

Edited February 23, 2014 by On Guard for Thee

[jbg]

The Conservatives are going to bring in "the fair elections act", which will remove the Commissioner of Canada Elections and setup a separate office, probably man by Tory friendly person, like Pierre Poutine??? This is such a farce when the Tories , themselves are broken so many EC rules. http://o.canada.com/news/conservatives-to-table-bill-that-will-reorganize-elections-canada/

Is there anything that the CPC does to which you wouldn't attribute a base motive?

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Reads like a satirical article. Edited February 23, 2014 by jbg

[jacee]

Is there anything that the CPC does to which you wouldn't attribute a base motive?

The truth is what it is.

Reads like a satirical article.

[PIK]

Marc Mayrand should have been removed the day he raided the conservative offices and when the police arrived CBC was already set up. It was a set up by him and his office and that day he lost all credibilty. I would like to see the e-mails from that day and find out who leaked it to the CBC.

[On Guard for Thee]

So if my phone rings next election day and some Conservative robot (I mean one of the actual mechanical one's) directs me to a phony polling booth, who do I call to complain now?

[jacee]

Marc Mayrand should have been removed the day he raided the conservative offices and when the police arrived CBC was already set up. It was a set up by him and his office and that day he lost all credibilty. I would like to see the e-mails from that day and find out who leaked it to the CBC.

I see you're from the school of 'It's only wrong if you get caught' and then it's the media's fault for telling people.

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[jacee]

So if my phone rings next election day and some Conservative robot (I mean one of the actual mechanical one's) directs me to a phony polling booth, who do I call to complain now?

The cops.

[On Guard for Thee]

The cops.

Exactly. And the scary part of that is it will take them, amongst their other possibly more pressing issues, until the next election to get around to prosecuting anyone. And of course the cops won't comment until their investigations are complete, and the CEO has now been gutted to the point where he/she can't speak about anything beyond telling you where and when to vote. Perhaps we have to go "vigilante" on this: i.e. set up an anti robocall robocall. Not sure exactly how that would work, but I'm gonna work on it. Maybe we get the national media outlets to clear a section of their phone lines so when you get a robocall, you report it to them, and theybroadcast it. Perhaps no real legal weight, but perhaps a significant "gotcha"

[poliforthepeople]

This made me so angry! I can't believe they can do it with so little debate. It is an undemocratic bill.

Edited February 25, 2014 by poliforthepeople

[PIK]

I see you're from the school of 'It's only wrong if you get caught' and then it's the media's fault for telling people.

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And maynard got caught.

[PIK]

This made me so angry! I can't believe they can do it with so little debate. It is an undemocratic bill. Check out my post about it if you like! http://poliforthepeople.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/nothing-fair-about-it/

No I don't like it, EC is corrupt and has been for sometime.

[Keepitsimple]

This made me so angry! I can't believe they can do it with so little debate. It is an undemocratic bill. Check out my post about it if you like! http://poliforthepeople.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/nothing-fair-about-it/

Your Blog is a lot of hot air. The fact that there were 25% irregularities is not a small thing - most not categorized as fraud but who knows if it was or not........and the 25% is only what they were able to find. Mayrand doesn't like it because he has been cast in a bad light - and rightly so. Jean Pierre Kingsley, the previous head of Elections Canada, rates it as a very good bill, overall and gives it an A-. Although there will be little debate in the House, it will go to committee for a line-by-line review and that's where most of the work gets done - out of the spotlight of the farcical Question Period.

Edited February 25, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[Wilber]

There are some good things in this bill but others are just about controlling the message and giving the Conservatives an edge.

For example, clause 376, subsection 3 on page 59 suggests that raising money from donors who have contributed to the party in the past should not be considered an election expense. http://ww2.nationalp...ose-of-mistrust

This is bizarre and all about maintaining the Conservatives present lead in fundraising. It has nothing to do with clarity.

They want to change the law just to muzzle one head of Elections Canada who has disagreed with this government, then they trumpet the opinions of a former head because they like what he has to say. Effing unbelievable. The cynicism of this government is mind blowing. Control is everything to this bunch.

[ironstone]

That's because the Liberals nor the NDP did robocalls, such as the type the Conservatives did election day.

The Liberals and the NDP do use robocalls.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-campaign-in-guelph-fined-for-robocalls-violation-1.1177594

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/robocalls-land-ndp-mp-paul-dewar-7-000-fine-1.1310883

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-repays-344k-in-sponsorship-money-after-tory-complaint-1.1237487

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberal-leadership-candidates-with-outstanding-loans-wont-be-taken-to-court/article13496625/

[Keepitsimple]

The Liberals and the NDP do use robocalls.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-campaign-in-guelph-fined-for-robocalls-violation-1.1177594

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/robocalls-land-ndp-mp-paul-dewar-7-000-fine-1.1310883

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-repays-344k-in-sponsorship-money-after-tory-complaint-1.1237487

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberal-leadership-candidates-with-outstanding-loans-wont-be-taken-to-court/article13496625/

Not Conservatives. Nothing to see here....move along...

[Topaz]

A Tory MP Brad Butt from Toronto, said in the House, that he saw voters throwing away voting cards and campaign managers going through the garage to get them and using them to commit election fraud. This on was Feb 3rd ,while debating the "Fair Election Act" and, I'm thinking while he was saying this, so he stood there watching and never told EC about it or was it HE who went through the garage and used them to get elected???? Many questions. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brad-butt-deliberately-misled-house-with-voter-fraud-claim-ndp-says-1.2550962

[Bob Macadoo]

A Tory MP Brad Butt from Toronto, said in the House, that he saw voters throwing away voting cards......

The real interesting question is.....what made him come clean? Its a story that someone couldn't possibly disprove, could they?

[On Guard for Thee]

The Liberals and the NDP do use robocalls.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-campaign-in-guelph-fined-for-robocalls-violation-1.1177594

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/robocalls-land-ndp-mp-paul-dewar-7-000-fine-1.1310883

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-repays-344k-in-sponsorship-money-after-tory-complaint-1.1237487

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberal-leadership-candidates-with-outstanding-loans-wont-be-taken-to-court/article13496625/

Of course they use robocalls. the point you seem to have missed is robocalls to divert your ability to vote is illegal.

[Keepitsimple]

Of course they use robocalls. the point you seem to have missed is robocalls to divert your ability to vote is illegal.

And here's the point that you are missing. No one has stepped forward to claim that they couldn't vote because of the Conservative robo-calls.......but I'll just bet you that many voters were swayed to change their votes to the Liberal candidate by their smear robo-call....so in the end, which one had the most effect on the campaign? No contest.

The call, which featured a woman identifying herself as Lori or Laurie McDonald of Guelph, attacked Burke for his “extreme views” on the right to life of the unborn.

Burke believes “that under absolutely no circumstance should a women have the right to choose” to have an abortion,” the woman said. “Government should not be able to force their beliefs on to me.”

“The race in Guelph is very close. Vote strategically on Monday to protect our hard earned rights from the Conservatives and Marty’s extreme views,” she added.

[Topaz]

maybe the Tories were afraid someone in the Opposition Parties would send someone to TO and start asking questions to those people living in that building. BTW, since Jean Pierre Kingsley agrees with the Tories, does that mean he'll be the EC Commissioner?

[On Guard for Thee]

And here's the point that you are missing. No one has stepped forward to claim that they couldn't vote because of the Conservative robo-calls.......but I'll just bet you that many voters were swayed to change their votes to the Liberal candidate by their smear robo-call....so in the end, which one had the most effect on the campaign? No contest.

No one stepped forward? Helloooo. EC has something like 31,000 complaints.

[Keepitsimple]

No one stepped forward? Helloooo. EC has something like 31,000 complaints.

Not one person has come forward to say a robocall prevented them from voting. It is not helpful to keep repeating mis-leading information like your 31,000 figure. The final number of verified robocalls was about 1200 as I remember - with 600 being in Guelph alone. The bloated figure of 31,000 was due mostly to the opposition parties encouraging their constituents to complain - in some cases using a form letter.

Elections Canada initially decided to refuse to comment on the investigation, only to go on to issue a statement stating that it had received 31,000 contacts from Canadians in relation to the 2011 general election.

The statement was wrongly understood to mean that the majority of the contacts were individual complaints, which would have been a huge increase in comparison to previous ballots. However, Elections Canada later stated that 700 specific complaints had been received.

Those numbers have now been updated to refer to 40,000 contacts, and 800 specific complaints.

So - I'll say it again: No one has stepped forward to claim that they couldn't vote because of the Conservative robo-calls.......but I'll just bet you that many voters were swayed to change their votes to the Liberal candidate by their smear robo-call....so in the end, which one had the most effect on the campaign? No contest.

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/robo-call-complaints-received-from-about-200-ridings-elections-canada/article4224379/

[Topaz]

I would think that the Tory party would want this cleared up before the next election because more Canadians tend to believe they had something to do with this .This "fair election act" is just a sub for pierre poutine, in my view and finally we have two strong opposition leaders, and since the last election, the Tories have peeved off more voters since the last election, there's no way they can win....fairly.