waldo Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 . We need a definition of trolling from the moderators, since they're quite obviously working on a different one than what most people understand to be true. clearly, yes, a (new) definition of trolling is needed. Trolling has reached a new threshold for abuse. We have one particular MLW member who makes... who has made... it his MLW board mission, year over year, to incessantly express his extreme sensitivities to anyone choosing to utilize United States sourced references, irregardless of forum or topic. It makes no difference whether the sourced reference ties, linkages, relationships, associations, groupings, affiliations, connections, etc., to the United States, are direct, indirect, partial, peripheral, tangential, etc.. The MLW member's expressed sensitivity simply acts, as intended, to purposely disrupt/derail/distract topic discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Waldo makes a good point. But often trolling is in the eye if the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Waldo makes a good point. But often trolling is in the eye if the beholder. and often it is brazenly self-evident, it is a long-standing repeat pattern of flagrant board rule abuse and is recognized by some members as not being enforced (properly)... at least under the current interpretation of trolling - hence, the request for clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Let's wait for the response then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 You mad bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Yes, let's wait for the response to come down from the mountaintop.....maybe on two stone tablets. One would hope that the time honoured tools of engaging and pressing discourse will be supported now and in the future. Censorship and outright attacks by certain members in an attempt to silence contravening views should not be tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Yes, let's wait for the response to come down from the mountaintop.....maybe on two stone tablets. One would hope that the time honoured tools of engaging and pressing discourse will be supported now and in the future. Censorship and outright attacks by certain members in an attempt to silence contravening views should not be tolerated. If you were Canadian you could probably go to a Human Rights Commission over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Yes, let's wait for the response to come down from the mountaintop.....maybe on two stone tablets. One would hope that the time honoured tools of engaging and pressing discourse will be supported now and in the future. Censorship and outright attacks by certain members in an attempt to silence contravening views should not be tolerated. a simple request for clarification - why would you take such exception? Apparently: - to you, trolling equates to, 'engagement and pressing discourse'!!! - to you, a request for clarification is "censorship"! - to you, active challenging trolling "engagement and pressing discourse", is a personal attack intended to silence contravening views! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Can we just leave this until we get a comment from the mods ? We all know that trolling is what the OTHER guy does - other than that I don't see what there is to discuss until we hear back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Can we just leave this until we get a comment from the mods ? We all know that trolling is what the OTHER guy does - other than that I don't see what there is to discuss until we hear back. Agreed...we can readily see who is most anxious about this. Chill..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Can we just leave this until we get a comment from the mods ? We all know that trolling is what the OTHER guy does - other than that I don't see what there is to discuss until we hear back. There are blatant examples of trolling. Some are present in this very thread. I don't think it takes a genius to spot trolling when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Agreed...we can readily see who is most anxious about this. Chill.....agreed - chill... we can certainly see who is most anxious to avoid this, who is most anxious in attempting to trivialize this; who is most anxious to equate trolling to "engagement and pressing discourse"; who is most anxious to readily claim censorship; who is most anxious to play the attack card against those questioning/challenging trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) My 2 cents is that worrying about trolling isn't worth the effort. The way to deal with trolls is not to respond. If you do engage the supposed troll in discussion, it can't be a troll, since you deem the subject worthy of discussion. Edited March 18, 2013 by Canuckistani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Admin Greg Posted March 18, 2013 Forum Admin Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Read the rules and guidelines of this forum. You will find they are very thorough and address your issue of the definition.http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?app=core&module=help&do=01&HID=17However, the only way to effectively deal with someone you feel is trolling is to ignore them. Its really that easy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Admin Greg Posted March 18, 2013 Forum Admin Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 If you do engage the supposed troll in discussion, it can't be a troll, since you deem the subject worthy of discussion. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Read the rules and guidelines of this forum. You will find they are very thorough and address your issue of the definition. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?app=core&module=help&do=01&HID=17 However, the only way to effectively deal with someone you feel is trolling is to ignore them. Its really that easy... thanks for clarifying the existing rule, as quoted below, remains as is, and in effect. However, respectively, this isn't a question of "feeling". There is a blanket defined rule that is being, and has been, flagrantly broken and abused for years on end by the same person. Equally, the ignore suggestion fails against a most prolific poster who repeatedly and purposely uses the trolling tactic to disrupt and derail threads. Either a rule is enforced or it has no bearing... or worse it is sporadically enforced to the point you get this type of clarification request coming forward from multiple members. No Trolling/Flaming Do not post inflammatory remarks just to annoy people. If you are not bringing anything new to the argument, then do not say anything at all. Some messages are not so much offensive as simply nuisance value. An example would be a person who persistently creates conflict without contributing anything useful. In newsgroup circles, such a person is known as a "troll". We define "trolling" as a message that serves no constructive purpose and is likely to cause offence or arguments. We define "annoying" as any message that results in a complaint from a registered user -- we will then decide whether to take action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 "Inflammatory remarks just to annoy people" "[Messages that are] simply a nuisance" "Persistently creating conflict without contributing anything useful" Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 If you are not bringing anything new to the argument, then do not say anything at all. If this is the standard, we never hear from BC again!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Use ignore and stop complaining. Eventually everybody will be on the ignore list...result: you win the debate every time by default. NASA Scientist: [resigned] Well, Homer, I guess you're the winner by default.Homer Simpson: Default? Woo-hoo! The two sweetest words in the English language: De-fault! De-fault! De-fault! [assistant clubs him]NASA Scientist: [looking at club] Where'd you get that, anyway?NASA Assistant: Sent away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) "Inflammatory remarks just to annoy people" "[Messages that are] simply a nuisance" "Persistently creating conflict without contributing anything useful" So it basically like this one below http://i49.tinypic.com/2wogmxh.png Edited March 18, 2013 by Sleipnir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 So, we ignore trolling, but we strictly enforce other rules, even when the line for them has barely been crossed? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 "Inflammatory remarks just to annoy people" "[Messages that are] simply a nuisance" "Persistently creating conflict without contributing anything useful" Hilarious. so, in a nutshell: You mad bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Read the rules and guidelines of this forum. You will find they are very thorough and address your issue of the definition. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?app=core&module=help&do=01&HID=17 However, the only way to effectively deal with someone you feel is trolling is to ignore them. Its really that easy... You post the rules and yet you do not enforce them. A certain member abuses the rules for many years and you let it slide. Ignoring members who break the rules is one part of the answer, but it doesn't mean that they should be given such free reign to keep breaking the rules and trolling members of MLW. Do your job. Ask members to obey the rules or force them to leave. I've never seen any member of a any message forum be given such free reign to troll and break forum rules in all the years I've used internet forums. This should have been properly dealt with years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 The above post contains many of the reasons I rarely post outside my "international elections" thread anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) ....Do your job. Ask members to obey the rules or force them to leave. They do....the mods manage this site quite well with warnings, suspensions, and bans. Some members are in the Cooler right now. Something that some of the complaining members don't appreciate is the degree to which the forum owner and moderator(s) discreetly enforce the rules without public flogging. We have the e-mails and warning points to prove it. They can't and shouldn't have to baby sit dozens of active members and thousands of posts to everyone's authoritarian satisfaction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz_jdaXD9qA Edited March 19, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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