Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 No, I don't think so. I think the Fords aren't planning the PR. Why don't you think so? I agree they aren't planning so much as making it up on the fly. It's still spin, though, albeit a different kind that what we're used to. I've never seen a scandal-ridden politician come out with his big confession, give passing mention to "family" (Ford, FTR has a wife and two young kids) but make an specific point of singling out a family member to show they weren't involved. Hard not to imagine Doug grabbing his little brother by the throat and screaming at him to to keep Doug out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The story is a dumpster fire. Ford would actually have received some sort of sympathy from a great deal of people if he just said he'd take a break. Now he just appears like a stubborn holic. "I won't ever, do any of this again" With all the reporters and police following everything he does, I doubt he could ever keep that promise. This is just a repeating cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 No, unfortuantely for Rob Ford birthers, the video is illusive and therefore doesn't exist. Just like a mirage. But don't let that stop you from participating with the other members of your echo chamber. You guys can keep discussing how the video must exist somehow, and how the diabolical mastermind Rob Ford is thwarting your efforts to uncover his litany of evil and nefarious plots. I love this quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I love this quote. Yeah some folks been pretty quiet. Wake me up when the magically illusive non-existent video appears. Otherwise, it's just Rob Ford birtherism. Wake up Shady! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Why don't you think so? I agree they aren't planning so much as making it up on the fly. It's still spin, though, albeit a different kind that what we're used to. I've never seen a scandal-ridden politician come out with his big confession, give passing mention to "family" (Ford, FTR has a wife and two young kids) but make an specific point of singling out a family member to show they weren't involved. Hard not to imagine Doug grabbing his little brother by the throat and screaming at him to to keep Doug out of it. Lots of reasons. Rob's lawyer said that he didn't know that the revelation was coming. Making it up on the fly is not how you do PR - it's spinning, but without a plan it's like calling punching somebody a military offensive. He could be keeping Doug out of it - maybe that was the idea - but he also made him look pretty stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Lots of reasons. Rob's lawyer said that he didn't know that the revelation was coming. Making it up on the fly is not how you do PR - it's spinning, but without a plan it's like calling punching somebody a military offensive. He could be keeping Doug out of it - maybe that was the idea - but he also made him look pretty stupid. Perhaps but that doesn't really counter what I was saying above about the presser being a move to keep the heat of Doug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) It'll be interesting to see if news will be made of the reporters that laughed at Ford when he said: "God Bless Toronto".I had to reread Christie Blachford's take on the incident a few times because I couldn't believe what she was saying. It’s wrong for him to embarrass the office and the city; it’s fine for the press to sneer at him when he invokes a corn-pone blessing. Yes, Christie, it is fine for the press to sneer at him for saying "God Bless Toronto" after essentially saying he's bringing the city down with him. Laughing at him is not the ethical equivalent of smoking crack, firing people for telling you to get help, lying about it, and then refusing to take responsibility for your actions even after you admit them. Edited November 6, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Good piece here on the pre-confession polling numbers. Short version: the boost in his numbers got after the Chief confirmed the video's existence looks like a dead cat bounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The guy has a substance abuse problem. His supporters aren't doing him any favours by helping him ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 What is Doug Ford running for provincially? I hope it's the leadership so that it will make my vote a bit easier next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Yes, Christie, it is fine for the press to sneer at him for saying "God Bless Toronto" after essentially saying he's bringing the city down with him. Laughing at him is not the ethical equivalent of smoking crack, firing people for telling you to get help, lying about it, and then refusing to take responsibility for your actions even after you admit them. I think she's saying the press should be more restrained (I took that article you're talking about along with the other one she wrote in which she mentioned the media horde that wouldn't get off Ford's property and was peering in his windows), since it's not only just distasteful, but also because it plays directly into Ford Nashun's whole the-Mayor-is-a-victim-of-the-pinko-press narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Doug in full spin mode. “I said to Rob ‘I don’t know what to believe anymore with you’ but I also said ‘I don’t believe for a minute he is a crackhead’,” he said, adding he clearly understands “alcohol” is a major problem. The last bit is interesting since Doug has repeatedly denied any such issues in the past. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't know his brother was a drunk until recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I think she's saying the press should be more restrained...since it's not only just distasteful, but also because it plays directly into Ford Nashun's whole the-Mayor-is-a-victim-of-the-pinko-press narrative.It's not distasteful to laugh at those words in that situation; it's honest. This is a guy who, a week ago, was calling for some random guy and his boss to be fired because someone got a picture of him with his head down. Beating him to death would be distasteful. Laughing at him is kind, under the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Perhaps but that doesn't really counter what I was saying above about the presser being a move to keep the heat of Doug. So Rob didn't know Doug was going to call out the police chief ? Or Rob changed his mind about going after the chief ? I'm saying that there's no thought being put into this, so you can't call it PR as such - just walking up to a microphone and talking in itself isn't PR, but maybe we're saying the same thing here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 So Rob didn't know Doug was going to call out the police chief ? Or Rob changed his mind about going after the chief ? IMO Rob went off script for whatever reasons Rob does anything. I'm saying that there's no thought being put into this, so you can't call it PR as such - just walking up to a microphone and talking in itself isn't PR, but maybe we're saying the same thing here... The second presser was an attempt at damage control. Hasty, sloppy, transparent, but damage control all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 So word is John Tory is gonna run. Between him and Stintz that's two fiscal conservative (at least centre-right) alternatives. Now if Olivia Chow joins in **** will get real interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 So word is John Tory is gonna run. Between him and Stintz that's two fiscal conservative (at least centre-right) alternatives. Now if Olivia Chow joins in **** will get real interesting. Who says Tory is running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The Highlight of the Rob Ford press conference was his spiffy throwback NFL tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The Highlight of the Rob Ford press conference was his spiffy throwback NFL tie. i don't think it was a throwback. It was the real deal from 1995. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Who says Tory is running? Ford’s words jolted the nascent 2014 election campaign in which he has pledged to be a candidate. Radio host and former Progressive Conservative leader John Tory is now a safe bet to run, high-ranking Conservatives said, though he does not plan to make an announcement until the winter; a Tory bid would damage the chances of Councillor Karen Stintz. “We’re putting the old band back together,” a senior Conservative close to Tory said, referring to the team from Tory’s 2003 run against David Miller. From the Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Doug could salvage a small amount of credibility by holding Rob to the standard he held Blair yesterday and call for Rob to resign. He would have nothing to lose by doing so, because Rob doesn't have enough honour to listen to him anyway. Edited November 6, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 From the Star. Doesn't having two centre-right candidates help Ford ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The second presser was an attempt at damage control. Hasty, sloppy, transparent, but damage control all the same. Ok - you mean the 4:20 ( ) press conference ? Sure, but again - we're saying the same thing. They had no coherent plan when the sun came up on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Doesn't having two centre-right candidates help Ford ? Not if only Chow runs for the Left. Remember those who say they'll run from the start won't necessarily finish. Rocco Rossi and Giorgio Mammoliti were both a centre-right candidate last election but bowed out when it appeared they had no shot. Joey Pants the far left candidate stayed until the bitter end and that ate into Smitherman's support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Ok - you mean the 4:20 ( ) press conference ?Weed and crack are very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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